I made a number of predictions for 2008. This is going to be a quick review of the main ones, though not all of them, to see how they did. Bold is succesful, italics is failed, regular text is a punt (ie. it hasn't happened yet, but I still think it will)
November 28th 2007 Predictions
1) Housing prices and sales will continue to decline. Expect 3 years before the bottom, as a very optimistic best case scenario.
- On track. Expect the decline to continue.
2) Commercial real-estate will go suffer a steep decline as well.
3) Consumer demand will drop. Unemployment will rise.
4) The US will go into a recession at best, a depression at worst. Expect first stagflation (high inflation and high unemployment), both because of the increased price of imports and deliberate pump priming by the Fed, then deflation, as asset prices collapse so hard they take everything else with them. The other likely scenario is stagflation followed by hyperfinflation. Formal inflation numbers put out will become not just a joke amongst market-watchers, but amongst the actual population. Same thing with unemployment numbers.
- Note the stagflation then deflation call, though I'll admit I hedged a bit. However hyperinflation is still possible after a deflationary period.
5) The Asian economies are not going to "decouple", they are going to have their own financial crises and recessions. Yes, this includes China.
- China's economy is falling off a cliff.
6) China's stock market will collapse some time next year. China will go into a recession. There will be huge amounts of violence and the Chinese government will redirect anger towards the US and Japan.
- Absolutely right on the no decoupling. I'm going to punt on the violence prediction.
7) Multiple banks will probably go insolvent. They are simply holding too much crap paper. There will be an extreme tightening of consumer debt of all kinds, including consumer loans, credit cards and mortgages. Even people with good credit will start having difficulty getting loans.
8) Protectionism is going to get stronger. Even if Clinton, a free trader, is put in power, by the time the 2010 Congressional elections are over no "free trade" bill will be able to pass Congress and in fact actual tariffs are likely to be put in place.
Given I said by 2010, this is a fair punt.
9) I wouldn't be surprised, at some point, to see capital controls put in place to stop money-flight from the US.
- Making this as a failure since I didn't expect the huge influx of money (although I reversed myself on this sooner than most folks). However the US has printed about 8 trillion dollars. When that sinks in, money may start getting really nervous and this may prove prescient.
10) When the full extent of how bad things were hits Joe public, expect a move for reregulation of Wall Street and to reinstitute something similiar to Glass-Steagall.
- I think I could give myself this one, but I'll punt on it, there's lots of talk, we'll see about re-regulation.
11) The government will have to bail out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac because they are insolvent. Minimum 500 billion dollars. Possibly much more.
- Had to bail them out. We don't know how much it'll be for yet. It's pretty clear it'll be over 100 billion at this point. I'm still betting on over 500 billion. That may turn out to be optimistic.
12) Large waves of government layoffs at the municipal and state levels as the inability to raise money cheaply and the reduced property taxes cascade through the system. (Yes, this is already starting to happen, so it's kind of a safe prediction. But it's going to get magnitudes worse. Many many municipalities are going to go bankrupt, and many states will be unable to maintain any but the barest of services.)
13) The price of oil will actually drop as there is an actual demand reduction for oil. Don't expect this to necessarily be reflected in pump prices, which are constrained by refinery capacity.
- Despite the miss on pump prices, I'm going to say I mostly got this one, and very few people did. Got this call originally from Stirling Newberry.
14) The federal government will become the largest holder of mortgages, and in effect, owner of houses, in the country. By far. The Fed, which has been accepting sub-prime paper already, is going to wind up stuck with a lot of it, because some of the banks using it as "collateral" are not going to survive absent huge government bailouts.
15) A serious collapse of the US stock market, probably by September at the latest. Maybe within a couple months.
16) One of the Big 3 car companies goes under. Then it'll probably get bailed out.
- One could argue I got this wrong, in the sense that I didn't expect 2. Mark it against me if you're feeling stingy
17) So many countries selling oil in Euros that the dollar is no longer the world's sovereign currency
- I'm going to punt on this one, at this point the dollar is flying high, but I think there's still a good chance that there will be be a point where people look at all the money the US has printed and freak out. Of course, that depends on how the Europeans have been handling their money.
18) By the end of 2009, actual reported starvation/malnutrition deaths unless Congress and the new president step in with significant aid. The food banks aren't keeping up and neither are food stamps.
- Obviously a punt, and probably won't happen, but because I think there will be a big enough stimulus.
19) Continued drops in illegal immigration, whether or not the new president continues having them rounded up in large numbers. The jobs just aren't there for them anymore, especially with the crashing real-estate industry. Many of them made their living as casual construction labor.
20) A huge push to gut entitlements in 2009, no matter who is president. Even if the US quickly pulls out of Iraq, the deficit will be totally out of control, and hundreds of billions will be needed for bailouts. A rapid consensus will form that rather than increasing taxes significantly on the rich, or slashing expenses like the military R&D and equipment appropriations budget, that the real problem is people retiring at 65, poor people getting Medicaid and old folks who aren't destitute receiving Medicare.
- I think I got this one wrong, given the consensus forming for a large stimulus (assuming the Republicans don't kill it.) We'll see, but I've tentative marked it wrong.
FINAL SCORE
2 + 1/2 WRONG
7 PUNTED
11 1/2 CORRECT
I did make some other predictions through the year in other articles, they've mostly done fairly well. Of the predictions I got wrong, one was a political prediction, the others were an economic prediction (gas prices not dropping as fast as oil prices and an outflow of money). A large number of predictions are still in play—it may be a year, or in some cases a couple years before we know. I'll make some new predictions in a later article.
It will be more difficult than making predictions last year was. Economics is as much about politics as anything else, and that means economics is about key decision makers. During the Bush era making predictions was very very easy because it was very obvious that the key figures like Bernanke, Paulson, Greenspan and Bush were incompetent and did not have any interest in the well being of most Americans. Once one figured out what the (negative) trendline was, all one needed to know is that they not only wouldn't stop it, they'd both make it worse and make sure that no one else could fix it. Betting on them screwing up completely was always the right bet.
The beginning of the Obama era will be more difficult, because it's less clear what the Obama administration will do, how competently it will do it, and what their economic priorities will be. (For example, Bush decision makers always made it job one to take care of the rich, and to screw the middle class.) My current assumption is that they will do a lot of the right things, but will do them the wrong way because they are not actually liberals. So they will implement strategies which are broadly liberal, but in the details they will do them wrong (for example, the decision to do most of the stimulus through private companies, which will almost certainly make it significantly less effective and increase corruption.)
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I so wish you weren’t so correct on these.
And your punts will most likely come to “fruition” as well. Unfrotuantely for us all.
i like your score, Sir.
Hi, Ian
Thanks for the retrospective. I wish more MSM “journalists” and bobbleheads were subjected to the same treatment!
FunnyD
PS, it sux that u wr so right!
Ian for Commerce Sec…! ;-)
Predictions for this year will depend on what Obama can get passed if Harry can’t get Obama’s stimulus package through the Senate what happens to our economy then?
Just how low will the Dow go?
Well done on the predictions. Many of them seemed quite unlikely at the time.
lol!
can you be a Canadian Secretary of American Commerce?
If the GOP stops the car companies from getting anymore money what then?
If we get someone good in Reid’s job and we get things passed will market go up or will the Kudlow’s sit on their cash until it is obvious the market is going up?
With regard to #13, why haven’t we seen food prices return to pre-gas-spike levels, Ian? I thought the increase in food prices was attributed to the runup in pump prices. Now that gas is below two bucks a gallon — even in SF! — I would expect food prices to come down. But my grocery bills are still as high as they got last summer.
And about #20 — I wouldn’t ital that yet, since states are gutting entitlements. We may yet see that reflected upwards. 2009 isn’t over; leave that one alone until this time next year, okay?
80% right, punting the punts.
How long before the hedgefunds start falling? How much can they tank the DOW with panic sales as desperate banks start calling in loans asking for more collateral for old loans?
on 17. cnbc (squak on the street) is sayin that wall street is the former financial capital of the world. so you are correct.
Ian
As you wrote these and into last fall you succeeded in continually scaring the cr*p out of me. It has taken me a while to pull myself out of that state of mind. (illness and Mr. Rev’s 4x bypass didn’t help the mood much either)
So now the task is figuring what to do with it all and how to rebuild from the ash pile. I hope you get to spend more time on that than on the obvious gloom and doom no matter how real that may be. Please help us with strategies on which to build.
oh, they are tanking right now except fer the really graet ones.
Wait until we get a new harvest in at the lower gas prices? Right now lower gas prices only cut down transport costs not production.
Sorry I should have said go under not tank.
On gas prices, I think the mistake you made was mentally decoupling the demand for crude from the demand for refined products. There’s almost no end user demand for crude — essentially all crude is refined into something before being used. Therefore, a general drop in crude oil demand can only be the result of a decline in the demand for refined product, so (lack of) refinery capacity is therefore not going to have nearly as much of an impact on gas prices as the underlying cost of crude oil.
And just to put a final nail in the coffin, the portion of the cost of a gallon of gas that is paid for refining is somewhere in the $0.15-$0.20/gal range. That’s smaller than taxes in most places, and should put paid to any notion that there is a general lack of refining capacity in the US.
Prices are baked in. Oil is priced into the harvest we got in the fall, because of heding of both oil and food on futures markets and because a lot of oil was used when it was high. Expect a decline to show up mostly next fall.
I’ve written more articles on what to do to fix things than anyone I know, but there’ll be more.
good point. i would say ian would say reduce debt, put in a garden. get real.
#10: Teddy, most of the fuel, fertilizer, and pesticides used in the production of food you buy today was purchased during the high gas price period.
Yeah, refinery capacity was restricting the ability to make distillates, but I didn’t realize how fast it would collapse under that restriction. And, as you say, the portion of refinery profits is actually very low.
Most of the decline in oil price took place because excess speculation fled the market. Credit tightened and became unavailable for them to finance their plays and those making them had to use what money they did have to shore up their positions elsewhere. As price declined to about the $70 level demand contraction began to have an effect but it is important to remember that even at $50 dollars minus excess speculation oil was reasonably priced. Its dips below $45 are where true deflation can be seen. Although there has been some short term jacking of prices back to the $45 level because of Israel’s actions in Gaza this won’t be sustained. However and in general oil prices below $45 are and will continue to be a good monitor of deflation.
Sound economic policies
Capitalize the industries that will energise the economy:
By incentives
The overall economy is stimulated most by capitalizing. That is what the bailout is not doing. Reducing the oil payments off shore by swithching to solar thermal and other sustainable alternative energy increaes capital.
Stop spending on wars and bring that capital into the domestic economy that will produce something besides destruction.
Re capitalize manufacturing in a new direction with growth potential and private capital will follow into the market.
Please read at least the review of “Earth: The Sequel” which shows the position private capital is ready to assume in the energy industry.
Start encouraging private capital to come back into the market where it will get the most traction.
Ban gambling on Credit Default Swaps and othe non productive capital investment…they got us into this deppression.
Regulate the equity markets, the rating agencies and the insuring agencies.
Bring accountability into the equation.
Ian doesn’t need to be Commerce - that’s useless. We need him for Treasury. Summers and that idiot Obama picked for Treasury have been wrong on everything, and have helped facilitate this mess. We need someone who got it right.
Like Ian.
Only debt we have is mortgage and it is a very reasonable payment on a 10 year fixed rate. We can handle that, fortunately. The garden . . . last summer’s didn’t do well—first year in a new house with bad soil. Next summer’s should be better. But even that isn’t much. Suburban lot, not enough sun, clay, etc. Oh well.
I actually had a parishioner come up to me in Oct. telling me how much Ian was scaring her and her husband.
Time for us all to simplify as much as possible. Easier said than done, but the spending spree is obviously over.
Thanks for this post. We need more brave self-assessments like this in order to combat the ‘no-one say it coming’ nonsense. More than half right is pretty good in economics and political economy.
I certainly did not think oil would be much below $100 until next summer, but did not think the recession would be quite as bad as it has turned out to be so quickly.
I think you might be a little harsh on yourself for weighting all the predictions equally. You got the essential big thing right: housing bubble + unregulated financial market systemic risk = a very hard landing. It seems to me that is the big issue, which Krugman summarized more or less as: borrowing money from the Chinese to sell houses to each other is not a feasible business model.
I think it is very important to aggressively advocate that many did see it coming: Welsh, a number of other economics bloggers, Krugman, Stiglitz, Galbraith, Roubini, DeLong, Blinder, and I am sure others. And they had good reasons.
Krugman also mentions this poor fellow who got ruugh handling at an economics meeting a while ago:
January 3, 2009, 9:13 am
Economists behaving badly
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.c.....ing-badly/
And this post mentions more troubling behavior from Summers. He may be brilliant, but he seems like Keynes’ bankers who do not so much fear failure, as fear failing alone, so therefore go with the herd. Summers is going with the herd now which is good. But his pieces mainly puff for analyses and policies that others had the courage to pioneer when in the minority opinion.
On the theory that Obama is building a cabinet of gofers, that might be OK, but I admit that is just my hopeful theory at this point.
Sounds reasonable.
Now can we find a team capable of addressing these things one by one?
I wonder.
OT
Frist decides not to run for TN gov. Could it be that he doesn’t want to have to expend any energy cleaning up messes? He’s always been much better at making them.
I had an oxdown post a while ago which outlined various needed steps.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2395
selise suggested that I add reform of the filibuster.
I think a big reason that economists denied the housing bubble for so long is the old economic problem of “it may work in reality but not in theory”
I saw statistical analyses that concluded there was no bubble, but all of them had big problems. And not super sophisticated subtle problems, but problems that I point out in a second course in statistics. Like, changing hyptheses in the middle of an analysis when your original one did not turn out to be true (and not admitting it). Weird patterns, consistent with the hypothesis of housing bubble, in the data that your analysis does not explain and you completely ignore. And many more. It was not rocket science.
simplification is easier done by people who have hand skills, simple tool sets and time. some of the public have been so sheltered that it is difficult to get back to self sufficiency. no time like the present. just put buying a manufactured solution off until you really need it.
There’s only one way out of this mess: Ian needs to make happier predictions.
I was also surprised by the utter emptiness of many of our supposed wise men.
Greenspan admitting that he thought the separation of management and ownership was no big problem. I think Adolf Berle and Gardiner Means started thinking about this over 70 years ago. And I took a whole course centered on the problem.
And then many bigshots, including Rubin, saying that they never understood all this derivative securities stuff anyway.
Amazing.
okay, then. don’t worry be happy. Actually, that works fer me.
I also think the huge prices had a bunch of speculation in them, as hot money went looking for ludicrous returns. I think a bunch of these guys made money for a while, then got really scared when they realized how badly they had screwed up the whole system, and ran away from all risky stuff.
Economists and market players backed the bubble because backing it made them money and advanced their careers at the time. It is another example of the famous Upton Sinclair line:
we need to rethink conventional wisdom.
I think Roubini (in RGE Monitor) and Stiglitz (archived in articles on his homepage) made some fairly detailed predictions. It would be a very good idea to make a composite scorecared of the Dr Dooms vs. the happly go lucky bulls.
Krugman has coarser predictions, but better slogans, “that giant hissing sound”, from 2005, I think.
Gardening in clay - lots of compost but it takes time. Just don’t do root veggies in the first couple of years - stick to above-ground stuff.
As far as the rest - what we actually NEED is food, clothing and shelter. After that everything is WANT. So we must figure out if it is something we need or just something we want, and then if it is a ‘want’ decide if it is really necessary or if we can live without it. In most cases, the answer is yes. It’s hard at first because we have all become addicts of instant gratification. If we want it - we get it. But after a while, you find that the stress of always rushing to get the latest hottest item goes away and your life is much more peaceful.
I’ve been doing this for a couple of years now - and it was difficult at first. But I really like it now, and my house is decluttered and I spend more time reading library books (free) and painting (watercolors go a long way!) Lot easier on my finances as well.
Good luck with the garden next year. PS. A truckload of sand will do wonders for the drainage!
Given your track record, Ian, would you mind predicting that I will win a $10 million lottery? I don’t PLAY the lottery, but I figure if you predict it, then I can probably count on finding a winning ticket on the sidewalk. Thanks.
For many, I think what you say is true. Folks in business and going for political influence certainly had that motive.
I wonder why so many academics went along? Being first and being right does have some importance with them, since people do keep track more than in the business news. So, there I think Keynes’ maxim about the banker is a better explanation. Though I don’t know whether timidity is any more admirable that greed.
No one understood derivatives ever as the current meltdown has shown. This exemplifies bubble thinking. As long as people can make money off something they will, in spite of not understanding what is going on, right up until the whole market collapses on them.
anyone remember when Atrios coined the term sh*tpile? That’s kind of when I remember the awakening of on line awareness.
Stiglitz has already predicted that the recession should turn around about a year from now, assuming adequate policy response (a kind of strong assumption I am afraid). But even then, that would make it a severe and very “U-ish” recession for post-WWII US.
Ian, I’ll take the under on your No. 11. I’m pretty sure the bankruptcy amendment will pass, and will help put a somewhat higher floor on house prices than most people think. A related idea from Michael Lewis and David Einhorn:
good for krugman! he caught some grief when he was here (book salon) for his unwillingness to be critical of summers et al. i’m glad to see him come around on that.
Mr. Rev constructed an amazing 3 section compost bin and was ready to get it cooking. Then the heart surgery happened. Thanks to the church folks we have full bins of leaves, but it will take a year to get that working right too.
Next step is constructing the seed trays and lights in the basement to get a jump on the garden this year.
Well, let’s just say I was happy to say adios to the “annus horribilis” 2008.
I have been unemployed for 15 months and counting. “Overqualified” has been the word. I have never been unemployed in my life! In fact, I have never NOT been a offered a job I’ve interviewed for. Ever. It’s been a blow to our finances and I must say my self esteem. And hope’s taken a big hit too.
I’ve never looked forward to something as much as I look forward to Jan 20. And I know he’s just one man. But I’m hoping the masses get behind him to make the significant changes that are needed.
Oh, and I could use some good firepup energy sent my way…
I promise to reciprocate :)
I disagree a bit there. Many understood them well enough to know that an unregulated, unsupervised, and completely opaque, derivative securities market would blow up in the economy’s face sooner or later. As would a similarly structured insurance market (credit default swaps).
Rubin surely should have known that much.
the telephone is wringing
say it’s Chairman Mao
how’s this one:
another OT
Tim Kaine for chair of the DNC? Another huge step backward. Progressives need not apply for anything.
Because there is also ego, career advancement, connections, and prestige in academia. If you want to show up on the NewsHour or Charlie Rose, if you want to be invited to Davos or the Aspen Institute, if you want to be seen as a head of the curve, if you want to pull down some hefty speaking fees, then trumpeting how the new economics does away with the old economics is going to look real attractive. Even if the sh*t hits, you probably already have tenure, may be comfortably retired, and even if you were wrong because your name is still on media Rolodexes you still will likely get calls for an “alternate” view.
sending energy and prayers! (couldn’t hurt). Hope I won’t need them coming back to me any time soon. But we’re all in this together one way or another.
thanks. I have been looking for some of the good economists’ predictions (when I was supposed to be doing other work on the computer!!), and have been looking for some of those key Stiglitz papers, that have been mentioned but not specified in the press and on clips.
we caught a few minutes of Charlie Rose the other night. I don’t even remember who he was “interviewing” but he surely was a sorry embarrassment of a host. PBS has totally been destroyed except for Moyers and Frontline. The rest can go rot.
Good luck. Sounds like you are a strong person who can keep perspective. But very good luck to you.
thank you and back at ya!
“We’re all in this together” truer words were never spoken….we are hopefully moving in the direction as a nation away from the Republican principles of “I’ve got mine, you’re on your own”. Obama gave a good speech about that during the campaign, let’s stay optimistic he’ll continue to lead with the idea that we’re only as strong as our weakest links….
Well that’s the question, isn’t it? They all should have known. If I could know back in 2005 about the housing bubble well before I started seriously looking at markets or derivatives probably 15 years before that, there is and can be no excuse for people who are supposed to be experts and make careers in the field. So did they know and go on anyway because their careers and profits benefited at the time or were they so deep in denial that they refused to see the obvious or were they just bone achingly stupid?
*positive thoughts to valletta*
(((((Valletta)))))
Hang in there. I’ve been there and am facing another job search within the next few months.
It’s not you, or any of us personally.
IOW, if it makes you feel any better, I’m right there with ya!
FunnyD
not many - or at least i’ve only be able to find a few: in the early ’90s: charles bowsher and ed markey. in the late ’90s: brooksley born and michael greenberger.
i expect there were a few more, i still have more material to go through. but i’d be surprised if there were many more.
….
btw, i’ve spent a bit of time trying to understand some of the derivative (especially mortgage based). still confused.
Yes, I suppose that is right. Careerism is a big concern. Also, connections to business support has become very important with declining independent and government support of higher education. If you want to bring in the corporate bucks, you have to have a “friendly” outlook.
thank you :)
It’s important to realize that nothing Obama has said so far will directly address any fundamental problem of the current crisis: distressed homeowners, toxic assets and bank insolvency, the credit crunch, dicey financial instruments, deregulation and I would add the increased consolidation of the financial industry. I was thinking about writing an oxdown post about this but essentially what we are seeing so far is a stimulus may will likely be big enough to keep us out of depression but not get us back to expansion and a finessing of virtually everything else.
Oh, the number of times I’ve wondered, If a layperson like me could figure out . . . Like that Iraq was no threat, that the aluminum tubes were not for enriching uranium, and so on and so forth.
Julia’s upstairs
Kennedy: Tastefully Appointed, or Not
(((valletta)))
I think that housing prices need to fall a good long way from where they are now. About half of current levels ought to do it, i.e. a regression to the long-term inflation adjusted mean of the Case-Schiller index. The inflation of housing prices over the past decades has had a severely distorting effect on the economy and has been both cause and consequence of a good deal of the financial chicanery. Plus is has made it very hard for most families to buy houses in most parts of the country.
That should read:
Gotta start somewhere, I guess?
Stop or re-direct the skid enough that we progressives still have some traction to keep holding feet to the fire?
FunnyD
I am more of a statistician than a business person for applied policy economists, though I have worked in the financical consulting industry.
Anyone who has done consulting on design of contracts for exchanges should know how delicate things can be, and all the things that can go wrong. Or anyone has worked as a ‘fixer’ for an exchange that runs into problems. (I mean an analytic and statistical fixer to find out how the exchange’s contracts and insitutions are being gamed, not a corrupt fixer. I never worked in that field, but I worked with folks who did).
So, both on a practical and an ivory tower theory sense, I am still unexpectedly shocked and outraged (and I have been radicalized enough since 2001 so that I didn’t think that could happen anymore).
i was recently reminded that about 5 years ago i argued with one of my cousins (who is in real estate) that the housing market didn’t make any sense because it couldn’t be supported by income levels. i’m going to stick with that one - housing prices need to be at a level that make sense wrt wages. i don’t know what that is, but it has clearly not been the case for years.
maybe that was part of the problem - it was all off exchange.
These are precisely the reasons the blogosphere came into being because our media, academic, financial, political elites have failed us. They say leave it to us we’re the experts and then go out and blow it in some stupidly obvious way. I think coming up against that in one situation or another was the impetus for us all to start doing our own research. Not only can our elites be wrong, they usually are and can no longer be trusted. Or maybe we are just finding out that they always were full of hot air and greed. That’s another one of those questions: Were they always this incompetent and we didn’t know or did they get that way more recently?
i wish obama would read your christmas list.
pretty good crystal ball you’ve got there, Mr. Welsh.
Yes, I have been using as a rule of thumb a 40% markdown to get back to pre-bubble prices.
“good” would not have been my choice of words, but surely prescient.
I agree that getting reform quickly is a big concern. Not only because it is essential to start now (because, for all we know, the current system will repeatedly blow up: it may only be able to handle continuously increasing housing prices and sales volumes). But also because opposition to reform will come from many Democrats, as well as Republicans. I was reading about Schumer’s interest in NY financial industry. Schumer may be as fanatical about supporting the current financial industry as Paulson. Schumer is concerned that reform will harm NY’s role as a financial center. Schumer never seems to have thought through the problems. I think he was one of the ones worrying that recent minor financial reforms would hurt NY’s status as a financial center. I wonder if he ever thinks about the consequences of this panic. I guess if he can wrangle the federal welfare dollars for his pet industry, he won’t care whether they are all lifeless zomby banks.
Getting real reform will be a difficult task. And as both liberal Stiglitz, (and his conserative Republican long time co-author Greenwald) have said, reform cannot wait until things settle. Withour reform, things may never settle without continuous but unsustainable injections of paper money and various kinds of government insurance and guarantees.
I remember reading the November 2007 predictions and thinking, I doubt it, but I’ll keep checking. I bookmarked the predictions.
I lost my browser, but Ian updated the stuff in March, so I began to pay attention.
I’lI ask the same question I asked about the run-up to the Iraq War about people like Scott Ritter, who had just about everything right, when everyone being listened to had their heads up their butts - “how can we devise a system where the people who are accurate predictors are believed, rather than gamed off the stage?”
Not to mention the whistle blowers who were trying to get everyone’s attention while the store was being robbed. Bunny Greenhouse, anybody?
I agree about the need for real reform and the obstacles to it.
She’s a real live hero.
(((valetta!)))
Those big bins are wonderful and they make a ton of good compost - if you can do the labor. For the short term you might want to look for one of those ‘tumblers’ or make one. You can use a 55-gallon drum, put a pipe through the exact center of it and attach a handle on one edge. Put the whole thing up off the ground a bit on a stand, and then each day you just rotate it once or twice to do the stirring. It’s smaller than your bins - but will enable you to at least get started without too much intensive labor (shoveling compost through the bins is intensive labor!)
Smart getting the gro-lites and all. We have always had a garden before the garden in our house(s). One of my brothers threatened to bring a machete with him when he visits my mom so he can get back out the door! Ha!
Adding sand to the clay soil will help immensely - it makes it lighter, prevents much of the ‘caking’ and allows water to percolate through it. Compost will do this too - but it will take 5 years probably to get enough in the soil - but don’t be discouraged! Once you get started, you can do direct composting of small amounts of kitchen waste - just dig a shallow trench alongside one of your plantings, put the stuff from the kitchen in there daily, and cover it with dirt. Don’t tamp it - it will need some air. You can use the tumbler and the bins for big stuff - yard waste, leaves etc.
Good Luck!
I think that a continuation of declining house prices is no panacea. Many americans wealth has been represented by equity. Additionally it becomes absolutely necessary for people to sell. The lower it goes the more people are upside down. Finally how many school boards etc set their budgets based on revenues from taxes based on value. What happens there as prices plummet. There has to be some inflation in housing prices but matched to inflation in wages. Not hyper inflation but some. Deflation is the worst that can happen.
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That too, but what Ian and Scott Ritter did wasn’t whistleblowing. It wasn’t necessarily being oracular, either. Their accuracy is based on a combination of experience and common sense.
Ritter has described how, long before the war started, people recognized how accurate he was, and tried to buy him off, tried to get him “join up,” so to say. Ian’s situation, I suppose is different from Ritter’s, in that creating fake reasons for a war is a different game from creating fake rules for an economy. Or - maybe not.
Anybody trying to buy you off, Ian?
i’m still pissed off at biden for blocking ritter from testifying before the senate foreign relations committee about the need for a war with iraq.
That wasn’t my point. I would extend mortgage re-negotiation to anyone’s first residence based on a revised estimate of the property’s worth. My point is more about how to evaluate the degree of insolvency of banks. This is important to know to re-capitalize them in a responsible fashion and not this backdoor who knows what approach the Fed has been taking with some of its programs and facilities.
The problem is that so many of the underlying “things” of our economy is based on credit and “spreads” and these spreads are what the financial sector lives off of - insurance companies all the “fee suckers” and unless you get rid of this you can’t fix the “economy”.
Our economy needs asset bubbles of some sort because that attracts investment (speculation) and inflates asset value and “return” so money can be made from money. This is what people want from their savings, but this is also what speculators/investors/bankers make money at “spreads”. fees, and so forth.
The financial sector is not providing capital investment for jobs and industry as much as creating asset bubbles for trading profit. They have the public’s money to play with and those who have savings feel they need to “keep up with inflation” so that their nest egg does not shrink to nothing. So wall st gets to play with EVERYONE’s savings, and deposits as the leverage for their schemes.
And leverage is what it is too. Our government sanctions leverage in the sense that you can use a small amount of hard assets to do a much larger transaction. Great when it pays off. If you had 1000 and earned 10% you can make $100, but if you use 10:1 leverage and invest it as $10,000 and make 10% you make $1,000. Way cool! what a return on investment of only $1,000. The gaming was pushing the asset bubble so the leveraged deals always were profitable. Until they weren’t. If you lost on the deal you know owwe $10,000 and only actually have $1,000. YIKES.
This is how our financial system works, how our economy works, how wall street works, how banks make money, how insurance companies make money, how investors make money. LEVERAGE.
Thanks Ian.
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Banks don’t have to be recapitalized.
Banks have to be closed. We need to make banking like a public utility. You deposit money and receive some interest and banks can lend their ASSETS/deposits at a slightly higher interest. That’s it. No leverage or fractional lending.
The stock market needs to be regulated as well so that shares represent real fractions of a company and there are no classes of stock and transaction fees are minimal. Stocks MUST be held for a minimum of 3 months and shorting is unlawful.
We need to get real accounting and no off books BS, And offshore tax havens and tax shelters and so forth. The financial sectors smoke and mirrors needs to come to an end.
well, SanderO, you are real conservative. Your recommendations sound like an update of the John Adams/ Thomas Jefferson approach to financial markets (one of the few areas where they agreed).
Regarding Ian’s predictions: I forgot to say hurrah for his prediction about decoupling. The idea of decoupling, when international markets were getting more intertwined through financial markets, was one of the most baseless and wishful-thinking fantasies I ever heard of. There is even an economic jargon word for the phenomenon of different economies’ cycles getting more correlated because of increased financial market integration: “entrainment”. Did anyone ever hear about “entrainment”, by that or any other name? I didn’t follow the financial press enough at that time, so I don;t know. But even I heard “decoupling” over and over again, that though “Well, we will see, but I doubt it.”
I think Ian got a few really important big predictions right and should consider rescoring his self-report card up a few points.
I would like to know what exactly it is about this economy that is NOT a depression?
I point out to everyone in live discussion who refuses to acknowledge, the great depression was a great depression, by definition there are other levels far below
this depression might not be as “great” as the “great” depression but it is really really close and it is bizarre some “economists” are still trying to claim it’s not even a “recessions”
We ARE in a depression. There is no economic metric which is stable or on the rise. Every single one of them is going down down down.
wow
Ian.
and you aren’t working for the Obama Administration……..
why????????
DAMN!
Ian is sharp as a tack on dough issues.
lol, no one is trying to buy me off. Being an accurate economic forecaster is not in demand either way - to get it right, or to keep quiet. They just ignore you, then when you get most of it right, they keep ignoring you and credit other people. I ain’t in the club, if you’re not in the club, you don’t matter.
I would say that anyone who is still worried about “hyperinflation” hasn’t got much of a track record to brag about. Further, since inflation is the big worry of the investing classes, I wonder how your economics, such as it is, could ever be considered progressive. You may think the idea of being a “progressive monetarist” is possible–I happen to believe it it absurd.
Even classical Keynesians understand that printing money can have inflationary effects. See: Weimar Republic.
I guess Keynes was a progressive monetarist. Who knew.