Comments on: The Associated Press Translation Guide for Gaza http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/ Firedoglake weblog Tue, 24 Nov 2009 14:34:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: fatjim http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779485 fatjim Sat, 03 Jan 2009 10:18:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779485 <p>you reap what you sow.</p> you reap what you sow.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779445 Ian Welsh Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:38:26 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779445 <p>And they have indicated on occasion that they are willing to negotiate away that part of their mandate, but they expect to get something for it.</p> <p>In any case, by any rational assessment, Israel is both a civil humanitarian organization and a terrorist organization. It certainly kills far more innocents.</p> And they have indicated on occasion that they are willing to negotiate away that part of their mandate, but they expect to get something for it.

In any case, by any rational assessment, Israel is both a civil humanitarian organization and a terrorist organization. It certainly kills far more innocents.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779441 Ian Welsh Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:36:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779441 <p>The history of the Israeli/Hamas conflict over the last few years shows that Israel throws the first punch more often than Hamas, actually.</p> The history of the Israeli/Hamas conflict over the last few years shows that Israel throws the first punch more often than Hamas, actually.

]]> By: Ian Welsh http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779438 Ian Welsh Sat, 03 Jan 2009 08:35:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779438 <p>And then they’ll build more. Victory in war requires destroying either:</p> <p>a) the enemy’s ability to fight or;<br /> b) the enemy’s desire to fight.</p> <p>It’s not clear to me that Israel will destroy either of those things.</p> And then they’ll build more. Victory in war requires destroying either:

a) the enemy’s ability to fight or;
b) the enemy’s desire to fight.

It’s not clear to me that Israel will destroy either of those things.

]]> By: shekissesfrogs http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779265 shekissesfrogs Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:11:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779265 <blockquote><p>…building tunnels for arms movement, and or in country assaults? They have shown not only the desire to attack but also the means to do so. </p></blockquote> <p>Why is it that you believe that these tunnels were built for arms movement and not food, medicine and relief supplies?<br /> Gun powder is not difficult to make, and the rockets that are built in gaza are not technologically advanced. If they were going to smuggle arms in, a missile that could lock on to GPS coordinates would be much more bang for the buck through a tunnel. In fact, Israel has claimed that the tunnels were going to be used to kidnap soldiers. </p> <blockquote><p>How long does one wait? Must Israel always wait to “receive” the first punch?</p></blockquote> <p>It is a logical fallacy to assume that Israel has waited to strike at anything. Through the whole period of peace, Israel has never stopped it’s attacks on Gaza, or opened the borders in return for peace on the part of Hamas.</p>

…building tunnels for arms movement, and or in country assaults? They have shown not only the desire to attack but also the means to do so.

Why is it that you believe that these tunnels were built for arms movement and not food, medicine and relief supplies?
Gun powder is not difficult to make, and the rockets that are built in gaza are not technologically advanced. If they were going to smuggle arms in, a missile that could lock on to GPS coordinates would be much more bang for the buck through a tunnel. In fact, Israel has claimed that the tunnels were going to be used to kidnap soldiers.

How long does one wait? Must Israel always wait to “receive” the first punch?

It is a logical fallacy to assume that Israel has waited to strike at anything. Through the whole period of peace, Israel has never stopped it’s attacks on Gaza, or opened the borders in return for peace on the part of Hamas.

]]> By: shekissesfrogs http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779241 shekissesfrogs Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:56:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1779241 <p>Please provide a link, or proof that this was a statement made by an non-Israeli. </p> <blockquote><p>They mean, “we will drive all Israelis into the Sea, if they can make it that far.”</p></blockquote> <p>The term or Label, “terrorist” has been politicized and the meaning made irrelevant, except for denoting which side they fight for.</p> Please provide a link, or proof that this was a statement made by an non-Israeli.

They mean, “we will drive all Israelis into the Sea, if they can make it that far.”

The term or Label, “terrorist” has been politicized and the meaning made irrelevant, except for denoting which side they fight for.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778976 selise Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:26:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778976 <p>no. i’m saying that while there are good faith disagreements about what the rules should be, the same rules should apply equally to all.</p> <p>i reject the idea of judging different people by different rules - do you?</p> no. i’m saying that while there are good faith disagreements about what the rules should be, the same rules should apply equally to all.

i reject the idea of judging different people by different rules – do you?

]]> By: EdwardTeller http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778970 EdwardTeller Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:18:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778970 <p>Thanks.</p> <p>My point is that if the well-equipped Israeli police cannot stop random deaths of hundreds of their own citizens, how can one expect the ill-equipped Palestinian police to stop the deaths of one or ten people in an adjacent country per year?</p> <p>Because of the “dread” of the rockets suffered by a few Israelis, the entire population of Gaza has to wake up every morning for the next round of <strike>Russian</strike> Israeli roulette, played with automatics, not revolvers.</p> <p>Of course, Palestinians, being the sub-humans the Israeli and US media portray them to be, don’t feel “dread” in the same way as do Israelis, do they, Skilly….?</p> Thanks.

My point is that if the well-equipped Israeli police cannot stop random deaths of hundreds of their own citizens, how can one expect the ill-equipped Palestinian police to stop the deaths of one or ten people in an adjacent country per year?

Because of the “dread” of the rockets suffered by a few Israelis, the entire population of Gaza has to wake up every morning for the next round of Russian Israeli roulette, played with automatics, not revolvers.

Of course, Palestinians, being the sub-humans the Israeli and US media portray them to be, don’t feel “dread” in the same way as do Israelis, do they, Skilly….?

]]> By: Skilly http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778962 Skilly Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:08:31 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778962 <p>Selise,<br /> Are you saying that Hamas and Israel are equals?</p> Selise,
Are you saying that Hamas and Israel are equals?

]]> By: Skilly http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778961 Skilly Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:07:02 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/the-associated-press-translation-guide-for-gaza/#comment-1778961 <p>I abhor war of any kind. The killing of the inhabitants of Gaza is wrong! No matter at who’s hands or with whose complicity. </p> <p>ON the other hand, people have a right to be secure in their own home. Rememeber the expression “you don’t take a knife to a gun fight? If you are an Israeli and your neighbors, have either officially, in the past, or presently allow groups that publicly plan war on you, would you think that is a knife fight, or a gun fight?</p> I abhor war of any kind. The killing of the inhabitants of Gaza is wrong! No matter at who’s hands or with whose complicity.

ON the other hand, people have a right to be secure in their own home. Rememeber the expression “you don’t take a knife to a gun fight? If you are an Israeli and your neighbors, have either officially, in the past, or presently allow groups that publicly plan war on you, would you think that is a knife fight, or a gun fight?

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