Comments on: Chinese Democracy Came Out Before Chinese Democracy http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:21:46 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: DWBartoo http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1780027 DWBartoo Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:11:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1780027 <p>After we, as a species, end the ‘value’ or ‘profit’ of war, rendering war itself unattractive to the last group which ‘benefits’ from its ‘application’, </p> <p>and after we, as a apecies, come to grips with global climate change …</p> <p>and after we, as a species, decide that there is, after all, ‘enough’ of the fundamental necessities of life, to ‘go around’, assuming we wish to consider human beings as one of our ‘better’ ‘investments’ …</p> <p>and’ after having made THAT decision, as a species, we might consider protecting that ‘investment’ by futher investing in the well-being of this ‘principle’, for that is what it must become, then universal healthcare and eductional opportunity for all each person’s life will seem a trife, indeed.</p> <p>and, after having done these few, simple things, we may begin, as a species, to dispense with the notion that human beings, are at heart, simply beasts, clawing and tearing their way to excess.</p> <p>and then, we may look to considering that we have to begin, as a species, to look at old problems in a new way …</p> <p>Fortunately, for our sakes, and life as we know it, we have all the time in the world.</p> After we, as a species, end the ‘value’ or ‘profit’ of war, rendering war itself unattractive to the last group which ‘benefits’ from its ‘application’,

and after we, as a apecies, come to grips with global climate change …

and after we, as a species, decide that there is, after all, ‘enough’ of the fundamental necessities of life, to ‘go around’, assuming we wish to consider human beings as one of our ‘better’ ‘investments’ …

and’ after having made THAT decision, as a species, we might consider protecting that ‘investment’ by futher investing in the well-being of this ‘principle’, for that is what it must become, then universal healthcare and eductional opportunity for all each person’s life will seem a trife, indeed.

and, after having done these few, simple things, we may begin, as a species, to dispense with the notion that human beings, are at heart, simply beasts, clawing and tearing their way to excess.

and then, we may look to considering that we have to begin, as a species, to look at old problems in a new way …

Fortunately, for our sakes, and life as we know it, we have all the time in the world.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779339 MarkH Sat, 03 Jan 2009 03:54:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779339 <p>Borders are important for knowing where this or that law and judicial system extends. But, travel should be relatively free. Most people don’t care to travel far from home except for business and entertainment. Exactly who might travel into or out of a country that might be a problem? Terrorists or anyone who might travel for nefarious purposes. Perhaps some day in the future there will be less hatred and free travel can become a reality. We’re edging toward it with greater international trade, communications, news, education and other things. Considering the world of 1900 we’ve come a very long way toward the peace Woodrow Wilson imagined and we will inevitably find it to our benefit to continue this trend. But, don’t expect it to happen overnight.</p> Borders are important for knowing where this or that law and judicial system extends. But, travel should be relatively free. Most people don’t care to travel far from home except for business and entertainment. Exactly who might travel into or out of a country that might be a problem? Terrorists or anyone who might travel for nefarious purposes. Perhaps some day in the future there will be less hatred and free travel can become a reality. We’re edging toward it with greater international trade, communications, news, education and other things. Considering the world of 1900 we’ve come a very long way toward the peace Woodrow Wilson imagined and we will inevitably find it to our benefit to continue this trend. But, don’t expect it to happen overnight.

]]> By: DWBartoo http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779169 DWBartoo Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:09:36 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779169 <p>Update:</p> <p>Yes 53% 812<br /> No 47% 716</p> <p>Total votes: 1528</p> Update:

Yes 53% 812
No 47% 716

Total votes: 1528

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779165 foothillsmike Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:05:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779165 <p>There is a decent football game on espn.<br /> 423 hrs & 55 min</p> There is a decent football game on espn.
423 hrs & 55 min

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779164 foothillsmike Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:04:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779164 <p>His <strike>interrogation</strike> interview techniques would not be allowed in very many police departments in this country.<br /> 423 hrs & 56 min</p> His interrogation interview techniques would not be allowed in very many police departments in this country.
423 hrs & 56 min

]]> By: Eureka Springs http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779163 Eureka Springs Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:02:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779163 <p>I rarely watch CNN. Lou is not on, MSNBC is doing Prison TV or some such… and reports on Israel are dominating CNN now.</p> I rarely watch CNN. Lou is not on, MSNBC is doing Prison TV or some such… and reports on Israel are dominating CNN now.

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779162 eCAHNomics Sat, 03 Jan 2009 01:01:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779162 <p>Lou Dobbs is a traditional populist. Started his anti-immigrant rant because it hurts U.S. workers at the lower end of the skills level. He’s gone OTT since then. Watched tonight because choices are limited.</p> Lou Dobbs is a traditional populist. Started his anti-immigrant rant because it hurts U.S. workers at the lower end of the skills level. He’s gone OTT since then. Watched tonight because choices are limited.

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779161 foothillsmike Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:59:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779161 <p>Any one who watches Lou Dobbs has to be a spy or have loose screw<br /> 424 hrs & 0 min</p> Any one who watches Lou Dobbs has to be a spy or have loose screw
424 hrs & 0 min

]]> By: eCAHNomics http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779159 eCAHNomics Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:57:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779159 <p>When I was in China in 2000, I was watching some strange Chinese program on TV. IIRC, it was dubbed in English. The story was that a young woman who worked very hard had saved (imagine a young Chinese woman saving when the average American doesn’t) a significant sum of money for her, for possible family problems. One arose, but at the same time the young woman’s apt burned and she had literally saved her money under her mattress and it was lost. It was heart wrenching, but taught me how naked ordinary Chinese are wrt adversity.</p> When I was in China in 2000, I was watching some strange Chinese program on TV. IIRC, it was dubbed in English. The story was that a young woman who worked very hard had saved (imagine a young Chinese woman saving when the average American doesn’t) a significant sum of money for her, for possible family problems. One arose, but at the same time the young woman’s apt burned and she had literally saved her money under her mattress and it was lost. It was heart wrenching, but taught me how naked ordinary Chinese are wrt adversity.

]]> By: Eureka Springs http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779157 Eureka Springs Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:53:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/02/chinese-democracy-came-out-before-chinese-democracy/#comment-1779157 <p>They announced it on air moments ago.</p> They announced it on air moments ago.

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