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	<title>Comments on: Harry Reid&#8217;s Doing the Right Thing</title>
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		<title>By: sentinel</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778517</link>
		<dc:creator>sentinel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 14:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have to disagree with you. The Senators have far from clean hands given their own responses to lobbyists and funders. So getting all hoity toity about Burris is hypocritical. Question: Does Blag have the power to appoint Burris? Does White have the authority to refuse to certify the documentation? And Paddy Fitz has not exactly moved with speed: after the presser he has been quiet and wants more time. One could say: wasn’t all that stuff premature? Even the Blag seems to know he was being recorded. Sure Blag is an @@shole; but does he have the authority to make the appointment? To me: yes he has!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have to disagree with you. The Senators have far from clean hands given their own responses to lobbyists and funders. So getting all hoity toity about Burris is hypocritical. Question: Does Blag have the power to appoint Burris? Does White have the authority to refuse to certify the documentation? And Paddy Fitz has not exactly moved with speed: after the presser he has been quiet and wants more time. One could say: wasn’t all that stuff premature? Even the Blag seems to know he was being recorded. Sure Blag is an @@shole; but does he have the authority to make the appointment? To me: yes he has!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Stubear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778407</link>
		<dc:creator>Stubear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 11:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WTF!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Is this really FDL or has my browser gone crazy on me?  I guess it’s OK for &lt;strong&gt;us&lt;/strong&gt; to throw out the constitution when we feel like it, but not for the Repugs, eh?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reid was wrong when he said he wouldn’t seat anybody appointed by Blagojavich, and he’ll be wrong if he refuses to seat Burris.  No extra points for consistency.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blago is an empty suit with the personality and judgment of an adolescent, and although the transcript in question sure &lt;em&gt;sounds&lt;/em&gt; like he was selling the seat, &lt;em&gt;it is just as likely&lt;/em&gt; that he was tweaking the federal agents he knew were listening, like a juvenile phone prank.  Trust me on this, I’ve seen this clown in operation pretty up close and personal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not arguing that he’s not corrupt; he could just as easily have been opening the auction in that phone call, but because he’s such a jerk, we’re going to have to wait until court when Fitzgerald unveils what else he’s got to support his claims of corruption.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the meantime, the lynch mob that Tim has so embarrassingly joined would ignore the rule of law and deny the citizens of Illinois 1/2 of their representation in the U.S. Senate.  We’ve already been more than sufficiently punished for electing the guy governor (the choice was a very grim one):  The state is a mess.  Don’t deprive us of a sentor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WTF!!</p>
<p>Is this really FDL or has my browser gone crazy on me?  I guess it’s OK for <strong>us</strong> to throw out the constitution when we feel like it, but not for the Repugs, eh?  </p>
<p>Reid was wrong when he said he wouldn’t seat anybody appointed by Blagojavich, and he’ll be wrong if he refuses to seat Burris.  No extra points for consistency.</p>
<p>Blago is an empty suit with the personality and judgment of an adolescent, and although the transcript in question sure <em>sounds</em> like he was selling the seat, <em>it is just as likely</em> that he was tweaking the federal agents he knew were listening, like a juvenile phone prank.  Trust me on this, I’ve seen this clown in operation pretty up close and personal.</p>
<p>I’m not arguing that he’s not corrupt; he could just as easily have been opening the auction in that phone call, but because he’s such a jerk, we’re going to have to wait until court when Fitzgerald unveils what else he’s got to support his claims of corruption.</p>
<p>In the meantime, the lynch mob that Tim has so embarrassingly joined would ignore the rule of law and deny the citizens of Illinois 1/2 of their representation in the U.S. Senate.  We’ve already been more than sufficiently punished for electing the guy governor (the choice was a very grim one):  The state is a mess.  Don’t deprive us of a sentor.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778188</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Disagree.&lt;br /&gt;
Blago has no one to blame but himself.&lt;br /&gt;
His indictment (so far) is something like 72 pages, which suggests a pattern of very bad judgment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blago still has the right to defend himself in court.&lt;br /&gt;
But if he cared what was best for his state, he’d have resigned.&lt;br /&gt;
He looks like a narcissistic jerk, and the appointment of Burris ices it.&lt;br /&gt;
Blago can go join Abu Gonzo for a little Pity Party, and they can both claim that&lt;em&gt; they’re&lt;/em&gt; ‘victims’.   It’s all about how &lt;em&gt;they&lt;/em&gt; feel; the rest of us don’t matter.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FWIW, I’m really interested in that whole ‘change’ mantra, which means that I don’t think someone with a 72-page indictment should be calling the shots on a Senate seat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree.<br />
Blago has no one to blame but himself.<br />
His indictment (so far) is something like 72 pages, which suggests a pattern of very bad judgment.</p>
<p>Blago still has the right to defend himself in court.<br />
But if he cared what was best for his state, he’d have resigned.<br />
He looks like a narcissistic jerk, and the appointment of Burris ices it.<br />
Blago can go join Abu Gonzo for a little Pity Party, and they can both claim that<em> they’re</em> ‘victims’.   It’s all about how <em>they</em> feel; the rest of us don’t matter.</p>
<p>FWIW, I’m really interested in that whole ‘change’ mantra, which means that I don’t think someone with a 72-page indictment should be calling the shots on a Senate seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane is correct that Reid was out-maneuvered (big surprise there) but I agree with Ian that the right thing to do is to let this play out in the courts and not seat Burris.  I don’t believe there is a clear precedent and I said he (Burris) was an asswipe but “morally depraved” works too and sounds ever so much more refined.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane is correct that Reid was out-maneuvered (big surprise there) but I agree with Ian that the right thing to do is to let this play out in the courts and not seat Burris.  I don’t believe there is a clear precedent and I said he (Burris) was an asswipe but “morally depraved” works too and sounds ever so much more refined.</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778108</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Succintly put and absolutely correct.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778101</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;happy new year to you too Hmmm!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m not suggesting breaking any laws… i just want to start from the position of understanding and supporting the rights of the citizens - and i don’t think i’ve seen that laid out yet. instead it’s all about the rights and options that various politicians have.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i maybe i’ve missed it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>happy new year to you too Hmmm!</p>
<p>i’m not suggesting breaking any laws… i just want to start from the position of understanding and supporting the rights of the citizens &#8211; and i don’t think i’ve seen that laid out yet. instead it’s all about the rights and options that various politicians have.</p>
<p>but i maybe i’ve missed it?</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778098</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 03:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(BTW — Happy New Year to you, selise!)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a diversity of opinion on that question.  Above I asked: “Should the controlling question here be what is legal, or what is politically advantageous?”  And on another thread bmaz said:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The measure of a democracy is to follow the rule of law even when it is contrary to your desires and that of the mob mentality. The process is more important than the individual result.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Personally I think bmaz’ answer is the right one.  The situation will resolve itself in time through a Blago resignation, impeachment, and/or indictment and perhaps conviction… or if Blago is cleared of wrongdoing.  If appropriate, Burris can be expelled from the Senate at the time of that resolution.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(BTW — Happy New Year to you, selise!)</p>
<p>There is a diversity of opinion on that question.  Above I asked: “Should the controlling question here be what is legal, or what is politically advantageous?”  And on another thread bmaz said:</p>
<blockquote><p>The measure of a democracy is to follow the rule of law even when it is contrary to your desires and that of the mob mentality. The process is more important than the individual result.</p>
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<p>Personally I think bmaz’ answer is the right one.  The situation will resolve itself in time through a Blago resignation, impeachment, and/or indictment and perhaps conviction… or if Blago is cleared of wrongdoing.  If appropriate, Burris can be expelled from the Senate at the time of that resolution.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778094</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:47:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;right. but what about going forward? how do we, as progressives, work to support the rights of the citizens (primarily of illinois, but also the rest of us)?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right. but what about going forward? how do we, as progressives, work to support the rights of the citizens (primarily of illinois, but also the rest of us)?</p>
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		<title>By: TheLiberalCurmudgeon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778087</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLiberalCurmudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Blago is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He is legally required to appoint a senator. There are no grounds to deny Burris a seat because of allegations against the governor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blago is presumed innocent until proven guilty. He is legally required to appoint a senator. There are no grounds to deny Burris a seat because of allegations against the governor.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/01/harry-reids-doing-the-right-thing/#comment-1778086</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh dear!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What would we do for kabuki?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What would we have to aggravate each other over?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are a party-pooperator, oldgold.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[I find the almost palpable annoyance developing among the denizens rather astonishing, given that no-one, beyond ourselves, is interested in what we ‘think’, whichever ’side’ of this ‘controversy’ we might choose to align ourselves with … (full disclosure: I agree with you) and the ‘process’ of attempting to do more that simply stating our individual ‘convictions’, that is, attempting to ‘win the hearts and minds’, of those persuaded ‘otherwise’ is limping past ‘amusing’, or so it seems to me …]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;;~(&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear!</p>
<p>What would we do for kabuki?</p>
<p>What would we have to aggravate each other over?</p>
<p>You are a party-pooperator, oldgold.</p>
<p>;~)</p>
<p>[I find the almost palpable annoyance developing among the denizens rather astonishing, given that no-one, beyond ourselves, is interested in what we ‘think’, whichever ’side’ of this ‘controversy’ we might choose to align ourselves with … (full disclosure: I agree with you) and the ‘process’ of attempting to do more that simply stating our individual ‘convictions’, that is, attempting to ‘win the hearts and minds’, of those persuaded ‘otherwise’ is limping past ‘amusing’, or so it seems to me …]</p>
<p>;~(</p>
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