George Bush spoke with Ehud Olmert according to White House spokesman Gordon “Thugs” Johndroe:
"President Bush got an assurance from Prime Minister Olmert that Israel is, as they have said they are doing, only targeting Hamas and the terrorist organisation and people involved in Hamas, and that they are working to minimise any civilian casualties," he said.
Meanwhile, Israel launched air strikes on such terrorist targets as government buildings across the Gaza Strip, including the parliament buildings. Hamas sources said the Education and Transportation ministries were completely destroyed in the strikes.
At least 25 Gazans were wounded in those attacks. Today the number of dead in Gaza reached 410 and the UN Humanitarian Coordinator warns that the situation is life or death for all the people of Gaza. Israeli tanks are lined up at the border and the cabinet has given approval to plans for “a major, but relatively short-term, ground offensive in the Gaza Strip."
As we enter the New Year, Starhawk (h/t Selise) reminds us of our shared humanity – I hope you will take a moment to read On Gaza:
The Israeli ambassador speaks movingly of the terror felt by Israeli children as Hamas rockets explode in the night. I agree with him-that no child should have her sleep menaced by rocket fire, or wake in the night fearing death.
But I can’t help but remember one night on the Rafah border, sleeping in a house close to the line, watching the children dive for cover as bullets thudded into the walls. There was a shell-hole in the back room they liked to jump through into the garden, which at that time still held fruit trees and chickens. Their mother fed me eggs, and their grandmother stuffed oranges into my pockets with the shy pride every gardener shares.
That house is gone, now, along with all of its neighbors. Those children wake in the night, every night of their lives, in terror. I don’t know if they have survived the hunger, the lack of medical supplies, the bombs. I only know that they are children, too…
To know and see the enemy, you must let them into the story. They must become real to you, nuanced, distinctive as individuals. But when we let the Palestinians into the story, it changes. Oh, how painfully it changes! For there is no way to tell a new story, one that includes both peoples of the land, without starting like this:
“In our yearning for a homeland, in our attempts as a threatened and traumatized people to find safety and power, we have done a great wrong to another people, and now we must atone.”
Just try saying it. If you, like me, were raised on that other story, just try this one out. Say it three times. It hurts, yes, but it might also bring a great, liberating sense of relief with it.
And if you’re not Jewish, if you’re American, if you’re white, if you’re German, if you’re a thousand other things, really, if you’re a human being, there’s probably some version of that story that is true for you.
Out of our own great need and fear and pain, we have often done great harm, and we are called to atone. To atone is to be at one-to stop drawing a circle that includes our tribe and excludes the other, and start drawing a larger circle that takes everyone in.
How do we atone? Open your eyes. Look into the face of the enemy, and see a human being, flawed, distinct, unique and precious. Stop killing. Start talking. Compost the shit and the rot and feed the olive trees.




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Thank you, Siun, for, once again, providing us the opportunity of confronting our own humanity.
Hopefully, we may all grow some more …
this new year for gaza might be its last. the plan is to drive the 1.5 million out and occupy. this will happen unless someone else strikes at israel. if that happens real war possibilities exist. this is just play war.
Why is the US media pretty much saying that this war is going to happen but the European media isn’t?
a recipe for escalation and disaster beyond belief. have you forgotten those 200 nukes?
what we need is to find a way to de-escalate the violence, not an escalation of violence. how about we try listening to the peace makers (israeli and palestinian) instead of the war makers?
Sadly the region is awash with weapons and they will be used.
Only when we stop producing weapons and flooding the world with them will there be peace.
It’s that simple. Given em guns and they will use them.
They showed a picture of Barack looking a some rockets that had landed in Isreal,and he said”if someone were shooting rockets at my daughters I would be angry to”That was the gist of his comment,but I wonder how he would feel being a palestinian,with your food or pay being stopped at will,or your movement restricted? Its a two sided situation and there is no getting around it.I just hope that there is going to be a change for ther is too much suffering on both sides.
Morning Siun and thanks for the post. When I see the inhumanity that exists on the part of Israel my perceptions are to liken it to the inhumanity of our forebearers towards the Native Americans. It is also my perception that if the Israelis learned anything from their Nazi tormentors it was inhumanity.
457 hrs & 16 min
mabe we could send rice and rummy back in there to talk peace?
But Sander O, don’t you realize that you’re advocating a dialing back on the one remaining successful economic market sector; arms trading? /s
wishing you a happy new year siun. thanks for posting starhawk’s essay.
I don’t think they particularly need the rummy but some rice would be good maybe some beans to. *g*
457 hrs & 11 min
Sounds like lunch to me. Some spiced up red beans on a bed of brown rice with some greens on the side.
18 an’ a hook.
Thanks, selise and Siun for Starhawk’s essay. This sticks with me:
1,645,380 seconds
Funny, Rice & Rummy…sounds like a cocktail; You can’t say one without the other….And worth zero
1,645,380,000,000 nanoseconds
A lethal cocktail!
456 hrs & 54 min
Delurking to wish all y’all a wonderful 2009. May it be a more peaceful, humane, healing, healthy, generous, solvent time. (((hugs)))
Israeli foreign minister presser live on msnbc now…
Thank you Selise for reminding me to go and see what she was saying – she is a very important teacher for me.
Condi Rice playing the
fiddlepiano while Gaza burns.456 hrs & 50 min
All right, geniuses what is it in femtoseconds then?
Starhawk = more courage than the administration and Congress combined.
Robert Fisk: Why bombing Ashkelon is the most tragic irony
News this morning:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..248S92.DTL
1,645e+15
“If the Israelis learned anything from their Nazi tormentors it was inhumanity.”
I thought that the Israelis learned from the Holocaust the importance of defeating one’s mortal enemies.
Siun, do you deny that Hamas strives for the destruction of Israel? Do you deny Israeli reports that they have been using government buildings, mosques and schools for military purposes (if you do, what is your evidence)? Do you deny that Hamas militants live among civilians and, for the most part, are civilians themselves? Finally, do you deny that the Israeli action comes in response to Hamas rocket fire?
starhawk has been an important teacher for me too. you can sign up on her website to get an email whenever she posts something new (and usually it goes out by email before being posted).
or 1,645,380,000,000,000,000,000 femtoseconds
That means 10 potential terrorists created in his family alone! Brilliant absolutly brilliant!
456 hrs & 42 min
yes, this is the problem and it’s not going to go away until all are dead. only hope is to stop the killing to allow a generation to pass.
no kidding. times a gazillion (sorry, no scientific notation for that one *g*). and she can stay centered and connected to her humanity and the humanity of the people she confronts.
You might apply for a position with Fox News. They’re looking for gotcha bobbleheads.
this won’t stop hamas but will cause them to go underground again. thing is hamas is the closest thing gaza has to gov’t services for the people. misery is to follow.
Mortal enemies is the legacy of the old testament – the hate manual
456 hrs & 36 min
both sides have plenty of reason to blow each other up. so?
if that were true how to do you explain the reconciliation that the rwandans are attempting to work through now? how do you explain the israelis and palestinians who, even now, are working together for peace?
i don’t know why you are advocating death and despair as a solution but i don’t think there is any reason – moral or historical – to justify that approach.
not siun here, but even if this were true – so what? hamas is in no position to destroy any nation.
People out looking for grass to feed themselves are MORTAL enemies of ISRAEL. Troll, you are [edited by mod]. For what you have done to them in their innocence, you have made their IMMORTAL EMNITY. Do not walk down any dark passage by yourself. Go practice your legalisms in your faux courts among those who know no better.
[Mod note; Please don’t insult other commenters. Differing opinions are allowed, insults are not. Thanks.]
two things.
1. rwanda has noting to do with this.
2. i don’t advocate just report.
Bristol’s Word of Wisdom as Palin Spins upstairs…
Truer words were never spoken. Follow the lead of people who thought the earth was flat, that the earth was the center of the universe, forced their women to live separately during their monthly cycle and believed in the wholesale slaughter of those who didn’t believe as they did. Yes siree, some real role models there.
I think you have been watching too many bad movies. Jews did not defeat any mortal enemies during World War II. That was the Allies. The Palestinians are not mortal enemies of the Israelis because they represent no existential or even strategic threat to Israel. Firing a few small inaccurate homemade missiles just doesn’t cut it as a major threat, sorry. I would also point out that 20% of Israelis are Arab and I doubt that many of them consider Palestinians enemies in any sense.
Finally you really should read up on the recent history of this conflict. Hamas began this truce and Israel responded by continuing an economic blockade that has resulted in malnutrition among Gaza’s children, a lack of medicines for its people, and an economy that has ground to a halt due to lack of energy and resources. Israel also staged a raid in November into Gaza against border tunnels. So Israel really wasn’t responding to the missiles. In fact the Kadima party is using the bombing of Gaza to try to pump up its popularity in the face of even crazier parties in the run up to national elections in February.
Gretemike, I would ask you in turn for your “evidence”.
Your comment that most Hamas militants are civilians is one you might want to think about.
Israel’s current attacks are not a response to Hamas rockets – Hamas was honoring the cease fire and that is noted by many Israeli experts as well as international ones. Israel planned this attack – again, by admission of Israeli officials, from the very beginning of the cease fire. Israel then purposely provoked Hamas by attacking Gaza on Nov 4/5 and then persisting in both starving the Gazans and initiating a series of other attacks knowing that those actions would lead Hamas to respond, at which point Israle could point to them and say “Rockets! we must take out Hamas” If I were an Israeli in Sderot, I would not be so happy with my government using my safety in that way.
I’d recommend a closer reading of the diverse opinions found in say Ha’aretz.
The statement from Barack, if accurate, gives me hope. Counting the minutes with you, FHM.
A Big Yawn…as in Who Cares? For our own integrity, we should not give this story/woman/family any more coverage. The daughter deserves some space, and the mother warrants being ignored, except for the lech. J. McCain.
Personally, I’d rather knock her down now while she’s still in the public eye then wait until 2012 when her spin machine has been hard at work for 4 years. ymmv.
Oh, I just re-read that Barack was talking about Israeli daughters. Back to despair.
Hamas exists for destruction. They are not constructive at all. They aim to destroy Israel AND their own Palestinians just for martyrdom. If I were the Israelis, I’d consider borrowing a page from Sherman through the South…
Obama’s statement was made during a visit to Israel and was part of his campaign effort to explain that he was not anti-Israel. He has been quite silent now and we need to put pressure on to make sure that his concern for children also includes concern for the children of Gaza.
See Cast a Giant Shadow with Kirk Douglas, Senta Berger, Yul Brynner, et. al., The Brave Israelis tried to deal with the native Arabs many of whom did and thrived. The others ran and when no wanted them they came back and committed terror…
This makes me sick…… quote from the Rose Parade….. the amount of food on a float could feed a family of 4 for a year…….. a kizillion dollars and hours of labor for each of the floats…… and food is placed all over a float …… just the floats in that parade could feed all the hungry in California……
I don’t understand why our politicians are so afraid of Israel. Are they afraid that their campaign contributions will dry up if they get real about Israel and its Arab neighbors?
If instead of bombs, Israel would feed the Palestinians and build schools, the world would be safer.
Im not watching…is the food part of the decoration? or for the Crew on the float?
I always use the products of Hollywood to inform me of the facts of world affairs. That way I don’t have to use my brain.
You could ask the same thing about Cuba and the Cuba lobby. A lot of policies become institutionalized and divorced from reality. Look at AIPAC for instance. It feeds off this disconnect. The views of Jewish Americans are pretty much in line with those of other Americans. They want an evenhanded approach. But regardless of the fact that it speaks neither for most Americans or even most Jewish Americans, AIPAC continues to call the tune. Why? Money is part of the reason but mostly it is a mix of inertia and a very cynical exploitation of the situation among politicians who would rather play games with each other and pander to the religious right.
Exactly, think what the Territories would have been like if the Israelis had built up (along with the Palestinians) the infrastructure of these areas instead of bombing and blowing it up for the last 40 years.
Amy Goodman replaying a 2004 interview with Utah Phillips. Extremely well worth watching.
The food is used to decorate the floats…..
Jane upstairs: “Burris and Blago: What Happens Now?”
Mod @ 39
Noted, will try to refrain in future, folks trying to use faux logic and legalisms to justify crimes against humanity and state terrorism should expect respect – still hard after all these years (to find restraint).
SD, I think there is a totally different reason why US politicians will back Israel in whatever they do. It is also the reason the US war-hawks have stockpiled Israel with all those F16s, bombs, missiles. The reason is Israel’s strategic location. From Israel the US can strike anywhere in the Middle East, Europe, much of Africa, and ….Russia.
I think Israel is currently carrying out Bush’s orders. His ‘crusade’. Bush’s intent from before Day One in 2000 was absolute control/mastery of the ME.
I hope I’m wrong, but according to statements by Bush, Rice, Pelosi & Co., it sure looks to me like my view is correct.
Also, the more bombs, planes, tanks, ammo that are used up, the more business for the war profiteers, i.e. Poppy Bush & James Baker III’s Carlyle Group, the biggest profiteers from all these wars.
How many F15 or F22 or whatever do thy have or how many tanks do they have to DEFEND against invaders?
Bottle rockets against nutzoid nuclear armed crazies that claimed GOD told them they’re the best and everyone else is expendable.
What did god tell you last week since only you can hear HIM.
What’s the definition of insanity? It’s long past time to think more about results.
What is at the root of the problem is that Israel has no intention of granting a viable Palestinian state. Hamas recognizes this reality. Abbas is deluded about it. Everything else is distraction.
Hugh wrote: “Jews did not defeat any mortal enemies during World War II. That was the Allies.”
I believe I wrote that the Jews learned from the holocaust the necessity of defeating one’s mortal enemies, not that they defeated their mortal enemies. However, you are certainly correct that the allies defeated them – thanks to the overwhelming, disproportionate application of military force.
“The Palestinians are not mortal enemies of the Israelis because they represent no existential or even strategic threat to Israel.”
Really? What would happen if their desired “right of return” was to become a reality? What would Israel then look like full of people who support Hamas, a group that advocates Israel’s destruction? I agree of course that the rockets won’t destroy Israel, but there’s more at issue here than just rockets. And also, Hamas has powerful support from Iran and Syria, you can’t talk about the Palestinians or Hamas as if other far more powerful players don’t exist.
“Hamas began this truce and Israel responded by continuing an economic blockade that has resulted in malnutrition among Gaza’s children . . .”
Well, in an op-ed published in the New York Times (not Fox News Southerndragon, lol), the author writes “Last June, Israel and Hamas agreed to a six-month truce. This unsteady calm was periodically violated by armed factions in Gaza that lobbed rockets into Israel’s border settlements. Israel responded by periodically suspending shipments of supplies into Gaza.” Do you believe that the New York times allowed publication of something that wasn’t true? They seem to be quite picky with their op eds, I recall them recently rejecting one by John McCain.
But okay, don’t like an op-ed? Fine, then an article, again from the New York Times (and not Fox News):
“Rockets from Gaza never stopped entirely during the truce, and Israel never allowed a major renewed flow of goods into Gaza, crippling its economy . . . Israeli and United Nations figures show that while more than 300 rockets were fired into Israel in May, 10 to 20 were fired in July, depending on who was counting and whether mortar rounds were included. In August, 10 to 30 were fired, and in September, 5 to 10. But the goods shipments, while up some 25 to 30 percent and including a mix of more items, never began to approach what Hamas thought it was going to get: a return to the 500 to 600 truckloads delivered daily before the closing, including appliances, construction materials and other goods essential for life beyond mere survival. Instead, the number of trucks increased to around 90 from around 70. Israeli officials acknowledged that transferring previously banned goods had been the plan, but said that there was no specific date for the increase and that it was to happen in steps. But the rockets never fully stopped. “The Palestinians wanted to have one or two rockets a week to keep our people in tension and still tell people inside Gaza, ‘See, we continue to fight and we continue to bring in goods,’” said Shlomo Dror, chief spokesman for Israel’s Defense Ministry. “The moment we fail to react to one rocket we encourage them. Our only choice was to close the crossings when rockets came in.””
(And that, Siun, is my evidence. What about yours?)
I do concede that my comment about most Hamas militants being civilian was assumption, not based on anything I have read, and possibly erroneous. But I don’t think we’re talking about troops who live in barracks here and fight according to the Geneva Conventions. I think they’re hard to find, aren’t they? I can see how/why Israel targets the homes of their commanders.
And finally . . . T-Bear, who tells me, “Do not walk down any dark passage by yourself,” because of the opinions I have posted here. LOL. Well, T-Bear, your threat against me due solely to the content of my opinion . . . imagine how much harder it would be to respond in a civil fashion after so much war, no matter who was to blame? You do well T-Bear, reminding us all how hard these issues really are to deal with in a civil fashion.
I have shown evidence, from a generally acknowledged liberal publication, that Hamas never really stopped shelling Israel during any month of the so-called truce. I can therefore certainly see the Israeli side of this issue.
“How many F15 or F22 or whatever do they have or how many tanks do they have to DEFEND against invaders?”
Well, I note that the surrounding Arab states have not attempted to invade Israel for a good number of years now, so I suppose that whatever number Israel possesses is adequate to the task.
“. . . nutzoid nuclear armed crazies that claimed GOD told them they’re the best and everyone else is expendable.”
Oh, you must mean Iran . . . lol, of course you don’t. I do note here that Israel has had nukes for a long time and has not used them. I hope the same will hold true for Iran, as there appears to be no political will to stop them. If I was living in Israel though, I’d be more than a bit nervous.
“What did god tell you last week since only you can hear HIM.”
Actually, I don’t believe in God. That is to say, I have never seen convincing evidence that he/it exists. If he/it does begin to speak with me, I promise I’ll let you know.
Here’s a better article, again from the New York Times, written about a week after the cease-fire:
“Israel sealed the border crossings on Wednesday in response to a rocket attack on Tuesday, the first serious breach of the Egyptian-brokered truce. In light of the latest rocket fire, Israeli officials were still deliberating Thursday about when to reopen the crossings.”
So if Israel sealed the border in response to rockets, then clearly the border was open prior to the rocket attack. I’d suggest I’ve met my burden of proof. The evidence is strong that Israel’s actions are a response to it being fed up with the constant rocket and mortar attacks. I have yet to see any credible evidence in support of the other views.
Words fail me.
Hmmm, I have presented evidence to support the Israeli position that the closures were in response to shelling (in fact, I’ve found a great many more news reports from other reputable sources citing the same thing, sometimes based on first-hand knowledge of the correspondent). I deliberately choose a liberal source (the New York Times) since a previous post disparaged Fox News.
And in response to the evidence, you simply reject the evidence . . .
I’m a nurse, and I often run into patients who believe certain dietary supplements will cure them of incurable cancer. Sometimes I even find people who are as far as they know disease free who believe that certain supplements alone will keep them free of most diseases for their entire lives. To them, it matters not a whit that double blind studies in which the methodology is made available for peer review prove otherwise. In fact, often times such people will point to the contrary studies as “proof” of their own beliefs – “see, it’s the drug companies trying to suppress the truth!”
Is it the same for news information?
Take a look at an alternative news source, http://www.freegaza.org/. I see nothing on that website even mentioning Hamas missile attacks during the course of the cease fire for ANY reason. Does this not indicate to you a problem with obtaining your “facts” from this sort of alternative source alone? Or do you believe that there were no missile attacks at all?
Obviously mistakes will sometimes be made, but if you in general refuse to believe what is reported by numerous reputable news organizations then facts simply cease to exist, replaced only by opinion. And at that point discussion breaks down, becomes impossible. How can you debate a thing when nobody can agree upon facts?