Comments on: Putting Israel’s “Perspective” in Perspective http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:39:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: freespeechlover http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775324 freespeechlover Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:01:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775324 <p>People, Christ, what is happening is not about “the Hebrews.” Israel did not come from “the Hebrews,” and the Bible is not a historical text any more than it is a land deed. Israel came from Eastern European and Russian atheists who formed the political leadership of the Zionist movement. Israel was a product of 19th century colonialism and nationalism.</p> People, Christ, what is happening is not about “the Hebrews.” Israel did not come from “the Hebrews,” and the Bible is not a historical text any more than it is a land deed. Israel came from Eastern European and Russian atheists who formed the political leadership of the Zionist movement. Israel was a product of 19th century colonialism and nationalism.

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775188 Larue Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:51:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775188 <p>In regards to your last sentence, I would like to add there IS one more little salient point to all this:</p> <p><a href="http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/2008/05/11/gaza-marine-natural-gas-field-news/" rel="nofollow">http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/20.....ield-news/</a></p> <p>There’s $4 Billion of natural gas just off the Gazan coast that belongs to Gaza. And the Palistineans since Arafat and up to now have at times threatened to cut Isreal out of any of the development, production and RECEPTION of that gas. In fact, the latest Hamas noise making was to sell ALL the gas to Egypt. </p> <p>Follow the money. And the power and control, of course by the few over the many. </p> <p>Great stuff FDL folks . . . I’m especially thankful for the links to the Israeli propaganda machinations. I had not heard of them . . . Megaphones indeed . . . . and SOME comments at this blog seem to come from just that kind of model.</p> In regards to your last sentence, I would like to add there IS one more little salient point to all this:

http://niqnaq.wordpress.com/20…..ield-news/

There’s $4 Billion of natural gas just off the Gazan coast that belongs to Gaza. And the Palistineans since Arafat and up to now have at times threatened to cut Isreal out of any of the development, production and RECEPTION of that gas. In fact, the latest Hamas noise making was to sell ALL the gas to Egypt.

Follow the money. And the power and control, of course by the few over the many.

Great stuff FDL folks . . . I’m especially thankful for the links to the Israeli propaganda machinations. I had not heard of them . . . Megaphones indeed . . . . and SOME comments at this blog seem to come from just that kind of model.

]]> By: Larue http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775173 Larue Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:33:22 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775173 <p>Propagandized talking points that overlook a big picture and a longer history.</p> <p>But thanks for all your sharing.</p> Propagandized talking points that overlook a big picture and a longer history.

But thanks for all your sharing.

]]> By: DrDick http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775172 DrDick Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:22:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775172 <p>Try it again <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliphant_v._Suquamish_Indian_Tribe" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p> <p>If the link doesn’t work just go to Wikipedia and search for the case name (actually Oliphant should get it).</p> Try it again here.

If the link doesn’t work just go to Wikipedia and search for the case name (actually Oliphant should get it).

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775171 foothillsmike Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:20:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775171 <p>P.S. I was the stepdad for 5 Sioux</p> P.S. I was the stepdad for 5 Sioux

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775170 foothillsmike Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:18:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775170 <p>404 not found</p> 404 not found

]]> By: DWBartoo http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775166 DWBartoo Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:07:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775166 <p>“Manifest Destiny” is hardly something that anyone should bandy about as either ‘justification’ or something to be proud of.</p> <p>Bravo! To you, Dr. Dick, my respect for and appreciation of you is immense (and growing).</p> <p>DW</p> “Manifest Destiny” is hardly something that anyone should bandy about as either ‘justification’ or something to be proud of.

Bravo! To you, Dr. Dick, my respect for and appreciation of you is immense (and growing).

DW

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775165 selise Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:06:44 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775165 <blockquote><p>The IDF has the manifest destiny of clearing the Land of David for Israel.</p></blockquote> <p>by “clearing” do you mean clearing the land of arabs?</p> <p>i just want to make sure before i say anything about the crime of ethnic cleansing.</p>

The IDF has the manifest destiny of clearing the Land of David for Israel.

by “clearing” do you mean clearing the land of arabs?

i just want to make sure before i say anything about the crime of ethnic cleansing.

]]> By: DrDick http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775164 DrDick Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:03:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775164 <p>The Interior Department indeed are holding the funds in trust in an interest bearing account (though I would not put any bets on the accounting procedures) as is normal. The SCOTUS did not really have any legal choice in this matter as it was set in the Indian Claims Commission Act, under which the Lakota claim was brought. Under the act, the Claims Commission can <em>only</em> award monetary compensation and is expressly prohibited from retoring title to the lands in question. You are correct that this was a gross miscarriage of justice, but the fault is in the legislation, not the SCOTUS decision. Now <a href="Oliphant v. Suquamish" rel="nofollow">Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe</a> on the other hand.</p> The Interior Department indeed are holding the funds in trust in an interest bearing account (though I would not put any bets on the accounting procedures) as is normal. The SCOTUS did not really have any legal choice in this matter as it was set in the Indian Claims Commission Act, under which the Lakota claim was brought. Under the act, the Claims Commission can only award monetary compensation and is expressly prohibited from retoring title to the lands in question. You are correct that this was a gross miscarriage of justice, but the fault is in the legislation, not the SCOTUS decision. Now Oliphant v. Suquamish Indian Tribe on the other hand.

]]> By: FormerFed http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/putting-israels-perspective-in-perspective/#comment-1775163 FormerFed Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:01:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/perspective/#comment-1775163 <p>You’re welcome.</p> <p>Happy New Year</p> You’re welcome.

Happy New Year

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