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		<title>By: timtimes</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774985</link>
		<dc:creator>timtimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;For the torturers, denial is not a river in Eqypt.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For Sarah-Head’s Up Girlfriend - &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&gt;Mr. Panarin posits&lt;/a&gt;, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with&lt;strong&gt; Alaska reverting to Russian control.&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For Condi - Career Suggestion Post Bush &amp; Pre Trial&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;….&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/timtimes/2008/12/those-crazy-fockers.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;she could open a think tank&lt;/a&gt;.  It could be named the &lt;strong&gt;“Center Heading Research in Support of Torturing Toddler’s Testicles” aka CHRISTTT&lt;/strong&gt;,  which will of course be more informally referred to as the CHRIST CENTER for purposes of public consumption.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Enjoy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the torturers, denial is not a river in Eqypt.</p>
<p>For Sarah-Head’s Up Girlfriend &#8211; </p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123051100709638419.html" rel="nofollow">&gt;Mr. Panarin posits</a>, in brief, that mass immigration, economic decline, and moral degradation will trigger a civil war next fall and the collapse of the dollar. Around the end of June 2010, or early July, he says, the U.S. will break into six pieces — with<strong> Alaska reverting to Russian control.</strong>
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<p>For Condi &#8211; Career Suggestion Post Bush &amp; Pre Trial</p>
<blockquote><p>….<a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/timtimes/2008/12/those-crazy-fockers.php" rel="nofollow">she could open a think tank</a>.  It could be named the <strong>“Center Heading Research in Support of Torturing Toddler’s Testicles” aka CHRISTTT</strong>,  which will of course be more informally referred to as the CHRIST CENTER for purposes of public consumption.</p>
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<p>Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774895</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Southern:  Are you still around?  Lots like the work week may have begun; have a good one.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southern:  Are you still around?  Lots like the work week may have begun; have a good one.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774892</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, this is what nightmares are made of:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ranch_Hand&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“For Operation Ranch Hand corporations like Dow Chemical Company and Monsanto &lt;strong&gt;were given&lt;/strong&gt; the task of developing the following herbicides…”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“were given” — what a nice euphemism for “&lt;em&gt;You are ordered to make this and we disavow all knowledge and responsibility for this order or the product&lt;/em&gt;.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, this is what nightmares are made of:</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ranch_Hand" rel="nofollow">“For Operation Ranch Hand corporations like Dow Chemical Company and Monsanto <strong>were given</strong> the task of developing the following herbicides…”</a></p>
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<p>“were given” — what a nice euphemism for “<em>You are ordered to make this and we disavow all knowledge and responsibility for this order or the product</em>.”</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774878</link>
		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You mean really good media people like General Motors has had?  The kind of people who’ve been able to cut through 20+ years of bad-mouthing American-made cars to explain to the public that their cars are competitive with foreign-made vehicles while continuing to maintain American manufacturing sites?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah.  I can see you don’t have a clue what it’s like to work for a Fortune 100 company’s corporate offices.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean really good media people like General Motors has had?  The kind of people who’ve been able to cut through 20+ years of bad-mouthing American-made cars to explain to the public that their cars are competitive with foreign-made vehicles while continuing to maintain American manufacturing sites?</p>
<p>Yeah.  I can see you don’t have a clue what it’s like to work for a Fortune 100 company’s corporate offices.</p>
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		<title>By: somatichypermutation</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774855</link>
		<dc:creator>somatichypermutation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Monsanto, Dow, and DuPont all work togather at times, but also all sue each at times.  Monsanto dominates the GMO field due to its control of RoundUp Ready plants.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for farmers - they are not dumb.  Farmers make more on GMO crops, and they are more environmentally friendly, than others.  Farmers are good business people.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monsanto, Dow, and DuPont all work togather at times, but also all sue each at times.  Monsanto dominates the GMO field due to its control of RoundUp Ready plants.</p>
<p>As for farmers &#8211; they are not dumb.  Farmers make more on GMO crops, and they are more environmentally friendly, than others.  Farmers are good business people.</p>
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		<title>By: somatichypermutation</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774853</link>
		<dc:creator>somatichypermutation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have tried to read this article, it is a mish mash of true and untrue statements and seems to tie a whole bunch of stuff that really does not make sense to me in the way it is argued.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For example, the use of genetically modified seed has stopped the spraying of very noxious chemicals to kill rootworms.  GMO seed also requires the spraying of glyphosate (RoundUp) as the herbicide which is very environmentally friendly (it degrades quickly) as compared to others which run through our waterways and never truly degrade (or at least take much longer).  How the heck that ties to the rest of the article, is well, beyond my limited capabilities.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried to read this article, it is a mish mash of true and untrue statements and seems to tie a whole bunch of stuff that really does not make sense to me in the way it is argued.</p>
<p>For example, the use of genetically modified seed has stopped the spraying of very noxious chemicals to kill rootworms.  GMO seed also requires the spraying of glyphosate (RoundUp) as the herbicide which is very environmentally friendly (it degrades quickly) as compared to others which run through our waterways and never truly degrade (or at least take much longer).  How the heck that ties to the rest of the article, is well, beyond my limited capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774852</link>
		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, medical people have definitely est. that Agent Orange has caused both illness and death.  Has that 2005 decision been revisited?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, medical people have definitely est. that Agent Orange has caused both illness and death.  Has that 2005 decision been revisited?</p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774848</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Monsanto, Dow to develop resistant seeds&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20774376/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20774376/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monsanto, Dow to develop resistant seeds</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20774376/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20774376/</a></p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774847</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is what nightmares are made of&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Defoliation_agent_spraying.jpg" rel="nofollow">This is what nightmares are made of</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: somatichypermutation</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/29/morning-swim/#comment-1774844</link>
		<dc:creator>somatichypermutation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LOL!  Dow made it bed, it has to sleep in it.  They can cry all they want but they had very good legal counsel when they stepped into this, and the best media folks too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As for GE, that media arm has lost money and has NOT protected them from billions in lawsuits, even environmental lawsuits.  I explain it to clients this way - in many states it is legal to turn right on red, if the country passed a law and gave you a $50 ticket for when you had legally turned right on red you would be pretty pissed.  Well, that is the environmental law in the U.S. - it matters not whether you did it legally at the time, you are still responsible for all the damage.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It can get even worse - if you turn one shovel of soil on a site you own, and someone had a dry cleaning business there or it was a factory you are as liable for all the environmental damage they did as they are.  You can even have to clean it all up if you have money and they don’t.  Its the law.  Lets not act like environmental laws are weak in this country, they are not and they have a special place in the law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t cry for Dow, they knew or should have known exactly what they were getting into.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!  Dow made it bed, it has to sleep in it.  They can cry all they want but they had very good legal counsel when they stepped into this, and the best media folks too.</p>
<p>As for GE, that media arm has lost money and has NOT protected them from billions in lawsuits, even environmental lawsuits.  I explain it to clients this way &#8211; in many states it is legal to turn right on red, if the country passed a law and gave you a $50 ticket for when you had legally turned right on red you would be pretty pissed.  Well, that is the environmental law in the U.S. &#8211; it matters not whether you did it legally at the time, you are still responsible for all the damage.</p>
<p>It can get even worse &#8211; if you turn one shovel of soil on a site you own, and someone had a dry cleaning business there or it was a factory you are as liable for all the environmental damage they did as they are.  You can even have to clean it all up if you have money and they don’t.  Its the law.  Lets not act like environmental laws are weak in this country, they are not and they have a special place in the law.</p>
<p>Don’t cry for Dow, they knew or should have known exactly what they were getting into.</p>
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