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	<title>Comments on: Israeli Attack on Gaza: Bombs Fall as Children Go to School</title>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773740</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If anyone here reads this here it will be very unpopular. Israel never does anything right and muslims never do anything wrong. case closed&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone here reads this here it will be very unpopular. Israel never does anything right and muslims never do anything wrong. case closed</p>
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		<title>By: mpol</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773731</link>
		<dc:creator>mpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Guessing from the income disparity between them, and this isn’t intended as a slight against Palestine, but the Israelis are probably better schooled as a whole than the Palestinians, and maybe this is why they seem to have a more smoothly oiled PR machine than the Palestinians do. Undoubtedly the Israelis try to stay on message, and promote the idea that they’re doing these kinds of offenses defensively, as a necessary evil rather than a simple blood thirst.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But even supposing that Israel’s defensive posture is nothing but posturing, is there any reason for us to feel sympathetic toward the Palestinians, other than the fact that they’re the underdogs in this conflict? I don’t mean to suggest that the Israelis aren’t crass, ideological religious nuts, because they all might be, but there are a lot more suicide bombers coming out of Palestine than Israel. Maybe that’s a sign of how bad things are for the Palestinians, and we should pity them, that they can’t even afford jet fighters to kill people with, so they have to send their bombs by martyr instead. At the same time, if an elected party of theirs is advocating suicide as a religious duty against their enemies, aren’t we vulnerable to that also for its PR value, even if we concede that Israel’s PR has more finesse? Holy self-destruction, carried out at the hands of a powerful enemy, seems to have been an attractive symbol for the Christians, who make a big deal about J.C.’s martyrdom, and people around the world think that he can’t be a bad guy if he voluntarily gave his life for what is best.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If a political party is elected that advocates religious suicide against enemies, then, and experience shows that religious martyrdom is often an effective way to gain a sympathetic audience, then isn’t it possible that these attacks by Israel aren’t unprovoked, and since this provocation, in the past, tends to bring eventually the same response as always from Israel, is it impossible that some people might even invite this kind of thing? Again, this isn’t to accuse Israelis of being anything other than barbaric and outrageous, but I can’t see anything that shows Palestine as a whole to be acting any differently. Even if Israel is purely conducting an offensive war against Palestine, and more violently because better equipped, does anyone believe Palestine wouldn’t be making exactly the same offensive and bloody extermination against Israel if it was wealthy and Israel was poor?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If there’s no reason to advocate Palestine’s behavior as good or just, simply because Israel’s savage and unwarranted behavior is better armed, then why would Palestinians be any less sick than Israelis, after allowing (and, for fewer people, sending) rocket attacks against Israel since last week? Doesn’t that only makes Palestine every bit as contemptible as Israel, since these ongoing rocket attacks obviously aren’t intended to accomplish a military objective? Is anyone surprised that Israel responded to a week of rockets by killing a lopsided number of Palestinians? What else were these rocketeers hoping to gain, then, if not the slaughter of other Palestinians, followed by worldwide condemnation of Israel?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guessing from the income disparity between them, and this isn’t intended as a slight against Palestine, but the Israelis are probably better schooled as a whole than the Palestinians, and maybe this is why they seem to have a more smoothly oiled PR machine than the Palestinians do. Undoubtedly the Israelis try to stay on message, and promote the idea that they’re doing these kinds of offenses defensively, as a necessary evil rather than a simple blood thirst.</p>
<p>But even supposing that Israel’s defensive posture is nothing but posturing, is there any reason for us to feel sympathetic toward the Palestinians, other than the fact that they’re the underdogs in this conflict? I don’t mean to suggest that the Israelis aren’t crass, ideological religious nuts, because they all might be, but there are a lot more suicide bombers coming out of Palestine than Israel. Maybe that’s a sign of how bad things are for the Palestinians, and we should pity them, that they can’t even afford jet fighters to kill people with, so they have to send their bombs by martyr instead. At the same time, if an elected party of theirs is advocating suicide as a religious duty against their enemies, aren’t we vulnerable to that also for its PR value, even if we concede that Israel’s PR has more finesse? Holy self-destruction, carried out at the hands of a powerful enemy, seems to have been an attractive symbol for the Christians, who make a big deal about J.C.’s martyrdom, and people around the world think that he can’t be a bad guy if he voluntarily gave his life for what is best.</p>
<p>If a political party is elected that advocates religious suicide against enemies, then, and experience shows that religious martyrdom is often an effective way to gain a sympathetic audience, then isn’t it possible that these attacks by Israel aren’t unprovoked, and since this provocation, in the past, tends to bring eventually the same response as always from Israel, is it impossible that some people might even invite this kind of thing? Again, this isn’t to accuse Israelis of being anything other than barbaric and outrageous, but I can’t see anything that shows Palestine as a whole to be acting any differently. Even if Israel is purely conducting an offensive war against Palestine, and more violently because better equipped, does anyone believe Palestine wouldn’t be making exactly the same offensive and bloody extermination against Israel if it was wealthy and Israel was poor?</p>
<p>If there’s no reason to advocate Palestine’s behavior as good or just, simply because Israel’s savage and unwarranted behavior is better armed, then why would Palestinians be any less sick than Israelis, after allowing (and, for fewer people, sending) rocket attacks against Israel since last week? Doesn’t that only makes Palestine every bit as contemptible as Israel, since these ongoing rocket attacks obviously aren’t intended to accomplish a military objective? Is anyone surprised that Israel responded to a week of rockets by killing a lopsided number of Palestinians? What else were these rocketeers hoping to gain, then, if not the slaughter of other Palestinians, followed by worldwide condemnation of Israel?</p>
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		<title>By: HarpoSnarx</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773692</link>
		<dc:creator>HarpoSnarx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 02:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup Israel, keep attacking unarmed civilians and your deep well of American support will ebb away. Remember last year?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No doubt the Chimp approved this as one of his many goodbye gifts to President Obama.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup Israel, keep attacking unarmed civilians and your deep well of American support will ebb away. Remember last year?</p>
<p>No doubt the Chimp approved this as one of his many goodbye gifts to President Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773592</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 23:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“&lt;strong&gt;The Arab world reacted in shock to the attacks&lt;/strong&gt; on the Gaza Strip on Saturday with scattered protests around the region and Egypt summoning the Israeli ambassador to express its condemnation of the air strikes.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Huh, I missed that headline when the Paki’s attacked Mumbai?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“<strong>The Arab world reacted in shock to the attacks</strong> on the Gaza Strip on Saturday with scattered protests around the region and Egypt summoning the Israeli ambassador to express its condemnation of the air strikes.”</p>
<p>Huh, I missed that headline when the Paki’s attacked Mumbai?</p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773568</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh..oh..seems to me that I owed a drink as recently as a few hours, ago! Over the few months that I have commented here…might owe hundreds of drinks. All of you now consider yourselves drunk…and then the debt is paid in full.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh..oh..seems to me that I owed a drink as recently as a few hours, ago! Over the few months that I have commented here…might owe hundreds of drinks. All of you now consider yourselves drunk…and then the debt is paid in full.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773563</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When someone posts essentially what another posted just before the latest poster tells the earlier s/he owes them a beverage.  It can be variously worded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When someone posts essentially what another posted just before the latest poster tells the earlier s/he owes them a beverage.  It can be variously worded.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773558</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have seen this and never known what it means. Explanation for the “drink’, please.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen this and never known what it means. Explanation for the “drink’, please.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773553</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They are the best source because the reports are real time reports,pictures, etc. The first aid ship lost radio contact when the Israeli’s jammed their communications..we all knew and waited for hours to find out if they had been bombed, or something similar. When I say real time..I mean real time. These are the brave people who initially broke the blockade of Gaza..for those of you who did not know.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are the best source because the reports are real time reports,pictures, etc. The first aid ship lost radio contact when the Israeli’s jammed their communications..we all knew and waited for hours to find out if they had been bombed, or something similar. When I say real time..I mean real time. These are the brave people who initially broke the blockade of Gaza..for those of you who did not know.</p>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773541</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The UN Human Rights Rapporteur was thrown out of Israel when he called the situation a Crime Against Humanity. The US allowed the Israelis to do this. Omar was just in Washington a month ago. Not doubt this massacre was discussed and approved. Israel and the US work in tandem.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/17/days_after_calling_israeli_blockade_of&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.democracynow.org/20.....lockade_of&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where is Pastor Warren? The Palestinians lived on this land walked by Jesus. Where are all the right wing evangelicals? This land is Palestinian, not Israeli. There was no Israel sitting there 2,000 years ago. The League of Nations Mandate of 1922 was responsible for Israel being formed….not God. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Obama defends Israel on this atrocity, you will all know what his foreign policy is going to be like.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UN Human Rights Rapporteur was thrown out of Israel when he called the situation a Crime Against Humanity. The US allowed the Israelis to do this. Omar was just in Washington a month ago. Not doubt this massacre was discussed and approved. Israel and the US work in tandem.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/17/days_after_calling_israeli_blockade_of" rel="nofollow">http://www.democracynow.org/20&#8230;..lockade_of</a></p>
<p>Where is Pastor Warren? The Palestinians lived on this land walked by Jesus. Where are all the right wing evangelicals? This land is Palestinian, not Israeli. There was no Israel sitting there 2,000 years ago. The League of Nations Mandate of 1922 was responsible for Israel being formed….not God. </p>
<p>If Obama defends Israel on this atrocity, you will all know what his foreign policy is going to be like.</p>
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		<title>By: Hmmm</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/27/israeli-attack-on-gaza-bombs-fall-as-children-go-to-school/#comment-1773533</link>
		<dc:creator>Hmmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 22:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New question for American supporters of Israel:  Exactly how bad an act would Israel have to commit before you would withdraw your support?  (The answer “nuking Gaza” is disqualified on grounds of hyperbole.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New question for American supporters of Israel:  Exactly how bad an act would Israel have to commit before you would withdraw your support?  (The answer “nuking Gaza” is disqualified on grounds of hyperbole.)</p>
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