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	<title>Comments on: Yo, Hillary&#8217;s Seat Ain&#8217;t Even Empty Yet</title>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/yo-hillarys-seat-aint-even-empty-yet/#comment-1771234</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Problem is, I think she lives in Maloney’s District, not Nadler’s&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem is, I think she lives in Maloney’s District, not Nadler’s</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/yo-hillarys-seat-aint-even-empty-yet/#comment-1770595</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let her take  Nadler’s seat and let Nadler become senator.  He’s the right person for the job!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let her take  Nadler’s seat and let Nadler become senator.  He’s the right person for the job!</p>
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		<title>By: leftdcin72</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/yo-hillarys-seat-aint-even-empty-yet/#comment-1770591</link>
		<dc:creator>leftdcin72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As a New Yorker, I am only interested in escaping from the hack group, Schumer, Mark Green, Rangel, Sharpton, etc., and ensuring that what Obama wants, Obama gets when it comes to healthcare. If CK only lasts two years, she can be a big help to Obama, much more than the Clintons would have been and she is not connected to the Clintons, Rubin, Greenspan Wall Street “democrats” and de-regulation of Wall Street or lack thereof.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a New Yorker, I am only interested in escaping from the hack group, Schumer, Mark Green, Rangel, Sharpton, etc., and ensuring that what Obama wants, Obama gets when it comes to healthcare. If CK only lasts two years, she can be a big help to Obama, much more than the Clintons would have been and she is not connected to the Clintons, Rubin, Greenspan Wall Street “democrats” and de-regulation of Wall Street or lack thereof.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/yo-hillarys-seat-aint-even-empty-yet/#comment-1770512</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The person Paterson appoints will have a leg up (incumbency) for re-election. No one is talking about appointing a caretaker in NY (they were talking about appointing a caretaker for Rahm’s Cong seat in Ill.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, the person appointed should 1) have the background to jump right into the financial meltdown mess, since NYS is where Wall Street is, 2) should be the person we (or Paterson) would like to see re-elected, 3) should have the fundraising and campaigning experience and skills to get re-elected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would be especially happy if that person were a progressive, though progressives don’t tend to do well upstate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The person Paterson appoints will have a leg up (incumbency) for re-election. No one is talking about appointing a caretaker in NY (they were talking about appointing a caretaker for Rahm’s Cong seat in Ill.)</p>
<p>So, the person appointed should 1) have the background to jump right into the financial meltdown mess, since NYS is where Wall Street is, 2) should be the person we (or Paterson) would like to see re-elected, 3) should have the fundraising and campaigning experience and skills to get re-elected.</p>
<p>I would be especially happy if that person were a progressive, though progressives don’t tend to do well upstate.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/yo-hillarys-seat-aint-even-empty-yet/#comment-1770505</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Carly,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is an appointment THAT HAS NOT BEEN MADE YET. What we say may still have an effect on the outcome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Gates thing, appears to be done deal, so I would beat a dead horse…..why?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have still, might continue, to agrue over the Holder nomination, because there appears to be some organized opposition to his nomination, so that MIGHT not be a done deal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is little point in ranting and raving about things I cannot change when there are so many things to write about, where there is at least a possibility of influencing the dialogue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying I never self indulge in ranting about lost casues, …lord knows, but I TRY to focus on things where decisions hae not yet been reached.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That, and straight analysis.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I live in NYS. I don’t know if you do. To an out of stater, this may seem like fluff, to me, choosing a Senator from the state that most directly impacts the financial markets at a time when we are heading into a Depression, seems pretty important.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carly,</p>
<p>This is an appointment THAT HAS NOT BEEN MADE YET. What we say may still have an effect on the outcome.</p>
<p>The Gates thing, appears to be done deal, so I would beat a dead horse…..why?</p>
<p>I have still, might continue, to agrue over the Holder nomination, because there appears to be some organized opposition to his nomination, so that MIGHT not be a done deal.</p>
<p>There is little point in ranting and raving about things I cannot change when there are so many things to write about, where there is at least a possibility of influencing the dialogue.</p>
<p>I’m not saying I never self indulge in ranting about lost casues, …lord knows, but I TRY to focus on things where decisions hae not yet been reached.</p>
<p>That, and straight analysis.</p>
<p>I live in NYS. I don’t know if you do. To an out of stater, this may seem like fluff, to me, choosing a Senator from the state that most directly impacts the financial markets at a time when we are heading into a Depression, seems pretty important.</p>
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		<title>By: Ouroboros</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ouroboros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do United States Senators even do work for a living?  Their job is to be well-liked enough to get elected and participate in voting.  Their staffs do the work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I personally don’t see the harm in Paterson appointing Kennedy to the seat.  What does she not have which you’d ask of a caretaker of the seat?  Let’s say he chose somebody completely un-famous to be the caretaker of the seat until 2010.  Does anyone really think that such a caretaker wouldn’t eventually try to run in 2010?  And whoever gets appointed has to face voters anyway.  I don’t get a lot of the beef people have over this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do United States Senators even do work for a living?  Their job is to be well-liked enough to get elected and participate in voting.  Their staffs do the work.</p>
<p>I personally don’t see the harm in Paterson appointing Kennedy to the seat.  What does she not have which you’d ask of a caretaker of the seat?  Let’s say he chose somebody completely un-famous to be the caretaker of the seat until 2010.  Does anyone really think that such a caretaker wouldn’t eventually try to run in 2010?  And whoever gets appointed has to face voters anyway.  I don’t get a lot of the beef people have over this.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;That said, I hardly regard statements about Caroline Kennedy’s presence at her $1/year position reliable. Such people are not hired to be desk administrators that go home at 5PM. Their jobs are, in fact, to be rainmakers…to actually have breakfast and lunch meetings with other members of the NY social set, to attend evening charitable “balls” and concerts, and to drop the critical request for money at the right time. She’s not going to be efficiently fundraising by calling for a meeting with major donors at her cubical desk. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I don’t know, when Besty Barlow Rogers started the Central Park Conservancy, and raised money to preserve the Olmstead and Moses architectural gems in the park, her job description was pretty much what you laid out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We naver had people asking “where’s Betsy?”, to the contrary, that woman worked harder than many of the regular parks employees and brass. Where’ s Besty?, she’ at your planning meeting, she’s sent two memos and a handritten note today, she’ leading a tour of planned worksites for donors, she’s got a donor cocktail party planned for the zoo tonight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where’s Besty? she’s working cirlces around everybody else. She was a dollar a year, socialite, and she had a great work ethic&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That said, I hardly regard statements about Caroline Kennedy’s presence at her $1/year position reliable. Such people are not hired to be desk administrators that go home at 5PM. Their jobs are, in fact, to be rainmakers…to actually have breakfast and lunch meetings with other members of the NY social set, to attend evening charitable “balls” and concerts, and to drop the critical request for money at the right time. She’s not going to be efficiently fundraising by calling for a meeting with major donors at her cubical desk. </p>
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<p> I don’t know, when Besty Barlow Rogers started the Central Park Conservancy, and raised money to preserve the Olmstead and Moses architectural gems in the park, her job description was pretty much what you laid out.</p>
<p>We naver had people asking “where’s Betsy?”, to the contrary, that woman worked harder than many of the regular parks employees and brass. Where’ s Besty?, she’ at your planning meeting, she’s sent two memos and a handritten note today, she’ leading a tour of planned worksites for donors, she’s got a donor cocktail party planned for the zoo tonight.</p>
<p>Where’s Besty? she’s working cirlces around everybody else. She was a dollar a year, socialite, and she had a great work ethic</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/23/yo-hillarys-seat-aint-even-empty-yet/#comment-1770447</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;in all honesty, I believe her when she says that campaigning for Obama, sparked something in her.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t think she endorsed Obama over Clinton because she was abstaining from trying to get Clinton to vacate the seat. I don’t thinkaCaroline had any thoughts about Clinton’s seat at all until Obama named Clinton for S of S and the specuation started and somebody–my bet’s on Chancellor Klein–put a flea in her ear about it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Bloomie told her she would be a shoo-in, you could see why he would be winging about this spinning out of control….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in all honesty, I believe her when she says that campaigning for Obama, sparked something in her.</p>
<p>I don’t think she endorsed Obama over Clinton because she was abstaining from trying to get Clinton to vacate the seat. I don’t thinkaCaroline had any thoughts about Clinton’s seat at all until Obama named Clinton for S of S and the specuation started and somebody–my bet’s on Chancellor Klein–put a flea in her ear about it.</p>
<p>If Bloomie told her she would be a shoo-in, you could see why he would be winging about this spinning out of control….</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes. Of course. In this case, your function is ‘editor’ and choosing those sources, and even ‘play’ here is of course your choice.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wrote a process story, “these sources” are major media outlets with international respect. I wrote a piece pointing out that all these major media outlets were reporting that her “campaign” is not going so well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the Plain comment wasnt anonymous, it was sourced to a sitting Congressman!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is about as mainstream as it gets. And other than the photoshop–which is not flattering, what vitriol have I, me, LHP, expressed?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Senate is not a the usual entry level job. She’s never had a regular full time job. She does occasional, brief writing, on her schedule at law firm for their pro-bono cases. I suspect, but admit I don’t know, that it is another $1 a year arrangement.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To my knowledge, she has never had a real job, you know, where you have to show up every day on time and work 7 or more hours each and every weekday?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I used to work in a law firm that was in the same building as the publishing house her mother worked for. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You could set your watch to the minute by what time Mrs. O walked into the elevator each morning. Her mother was always on time for work and came to work every day, like a regular person. According to the Politco’s sources, Caroline has not shown the same diligence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s the NYTimes reporting. If you don’t like their use of unamed sources, take it up with the public editor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>Yes. Of course. In this case, your function is ‘editor’ and choosing those sources, and even ‘play’ here is of course your choice.</p>
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<p>I wrote a process story, “these sources” are major media outlets with international respect. I wrote a piece pointing out that all these major media outlets were reporting that her “campaign” is not going so well.</p>
<p>And the Plain comment wasnt anonymous, it was sourced to a sitting Congressman!</p>
<p>This is about as mainstream as it gets. And other than the photoshop–which is not flattering, what vitriol have I, me, LHP, expressed?</p>
<p>Senate is not a the usual entry level job. She’s never had a regular full time job. She does occasional, brief writing, on her schedule at law firm for their pro-bono cases. I suspect, but admit I don’t know, that it is another $1 a year arrangement.</p>
<p>To my knowledge, she has never had a real job, you know, where you have to show up every day on time and work 7 or more hours each and every weekday?</p>
<p>I used to work in a law firm that was in the same building as the publishing house her mother worked for. </p>
<p>You could set your watch to the minute by what time Mrs. O walked into the elevator each morning. Her mother was always on time for work and came to work every day, like a regular person. According to the Politco’s sources, Caroline has not shown the same diligence.</p>
<p>That’s the NYTimes reporting. If you don’t like their use of unamed sources, take it up with the public editor.</p>
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		<title>By: egregious</title>
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		<dc:creator>egregious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In other words….SHIT! Shut up!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I can’t tell you what to talk about at your blog, and I don’t want to just go read a different article if this one disinterests me!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You might be interested in our war coverage, by Siun and Spencer and others — we are following events in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East including reporting from folks who live there. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’ve followed every major appointment to the Obama administration, disagreed with a few of them and explained why.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re all over the auto restructuring — surely that qualifies as substantive reporting.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So no, I won’t advocate you read somewhere else. I advocate that you read here — all of what we are reporting, not just this one topic that you apparently find irritating.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In other words….SHIT! Shut up!</p>
<p>I can’t tell you what to talk about at your blog, and I don’t want to just go read a different article if this one disinterests me!</p>
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<p>You might be interested in our war coverage, by Siun and Spencer and others — we are following events in Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East including reporting from folks who live there. </p>
<p>We’ve followed every major appointment to the Obama administration, disagreed with a few of them and explained why.</p>
<p>We’re all over the auto restructuring — surely that qualifies as substantive reporting.  </p>
<p>So no, I won’t advocate you read somewhere else. I advocate that you read here — all of what we are reporting, not just this one topic that you apparently find irritating.</p>
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