Comments on: In a Surprising Development, Barney Frank Objects to Incest Accusations http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/ Firedoglake weblog Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:19:06 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: dejadejavu http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769881 dejadejavu Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:54:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769881 <p>Organized religions seem to think they have the copyright on “marriage”. “Gay” people used to only be happy. Perhaps all this is an issue that can be solved by a new word or adoption of an existing word? Could we perhaps say that a gay couple who enter into a union are “Warrened”? We just need states to issue Warren licenses, but for all civil unions, and then we can all move on to solving other problems, like why it gets dark at night.</p> Organized religions seem to think they have the copyright on “marriage”. “Gay” people used to only be happy. Perhaps all this is an issue that can be solved by a new word or adoption of an existing word? Could we perhaps say that a gay couple who enter into a union are “Warrened”? We just need states to issue Warren licenses, but for all civil unions, and then we can all move on to solving other problems, like why it gets dark at night.

]]> By: MarkH http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769839 MarkH Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:50:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769839 <blockquote><p>If you do a Wikipedia, there is at least one gay bishop.</p></blockquote> <p>How many are there if I don’t “do a Wikipedia”?</p>

If you do a Wikipedia, there is at least one gay bishop.

How many are there if I don’t “do a Wikipedia”?

]]> By: constantweader http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769679 constantweader Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:23:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769679 <p><strong>Frank</strong> was great talking to Andrea Mitchell this morning. Most of their discussion was about the administration of TARP (Frank of course holds the Congress harmless, but I don’t).</p> <p>Then Mitchell asked him about <strong>Rick Warren</strong>. Frank repeated what he’s said elsewhere; then said he thought Obama was kidding himself with this idea that kissing up to conservatives with stunts like the Rick Warren overture could somehow charm Republicans into working with him when they wouldn’t even go along with their own Republican President. Frank said he personally was suffering from post-partisan depression. Video on <a href="http://www.RealityChex.com" rel="nofollow">www.RealityChex.com</a></p> Frank was great talking to Andrea Mitchell this morning. Most of their discussion was about the administration of TARP (Frank of course holds the Congress harmless, but I don’t).

Then Mitchell asked him about Rick Warren. Frank repeated what he’s said elsewhere; then said he thought Obama was kidding himself with this idea that kissing up to conservatives with stunts like the Rick Warren overture could somehow charm Republicans into working with him when they wouldn’t even go along with their own Republican President. Frank said he personally was suffering from post-partisan depression. Video on http://www.RealityChex.com

]]> By: paz3 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769671 paz3 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:07:51 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769671 <p>Of course, because these people - Obama and Feinstein - have staff who will see to it that Frank’s sentiments are run by them (even if they don’t acknowledge same).</p> Of course, because these people – Obama and Feinstein – have staff who will see to it that Frank’s sentiments are run by them (even if they don’t acknowledge same).

]]> By: mui1 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769668 mui1 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:35:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769668 <p>I think you’re missing the point. Warren can say what he wants to his little congregation of bigots. It’s another thing alltogether for Obama to seem to sanction his statements on Jews, gays women etc. in the name of “inclusiveness” which is really divisiveness, because I sure as hell don’t want to watch that man speak. It’s a waay sour note to begin on. If Obama was being fair he would include a member of a denomination or religion that supports gays or has gay clergy, and there are some. Scroll above. On that note, he should also include a woman and a rabbi, and a muslim cleric as well. Waccamaw came up with at least one good option.</p> I think you’re missing the point. Warren can say what he wants to his little congregation of bigots. It’s another thing alltogether for Obama to seem to sanction his statements on Jews, gays women etc. in the name of “inclusiveness” which is really divisiveness, because I sure as hell don’t want to watch that man speak. It’s a waay sour note to begin on. If Obama was being fair he would include a member of a denomination or religion that supports gays or has gay clergy, and there are some. Scroll above. On that note, he should also include a woman and a rabbi, and a muslim cleric as well. Waccamaw came up with at least one good option.

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769665 dakine01 Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:11:28 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769665 <p>Actually there is a civil entity called “marriage” that confers a large number of civil rights and requires a state-issued license to be considered legal.</p> <p>Because it is a state sanctioned entity that confers specific rights, is what the entire issue has been about. By limiting it to the union of a man and a woman, it blocks those state offered rights and is therefore discriminatory</p> Actually there is a civil entity called “marriage” that confers a large number of civil rights and requires a state-issued license to be considered legal.

Because it is a state sanctioned entity that confers specific rights, is what the entire issue has been about. By limiting it to the union of a man and a woman, it blocks those state offered rights and is therefore discriminatory

]]> By: Waccamaw http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769663 Waccamaw Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:09:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769663 <p>If I had kept up-to-date with putting all records about house repairs in a three-ring notebook, I could look it up in a tick….maybe one of those “time to get back to that” projects for the winter.</p> If I had kept up-to-date with putting all records about house repairs in a three-ring notebook, I could look it up in a tick….maybe one of those “time to get back to that” projects for the winter.

]]> By: Kurt http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769662 Kurt Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:06:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769662 <p>Guess you can say the same thing about homosexuals being married as well. Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony, in which most religions do not recognize homosexuality. Makes a good case for civil unions if you think about it.</p> Guess you can say the same thing about homosexuals being married as well. Marriage in itself is a religious ceremony, in which most religions do not recognize homosexuality. Makes a good case for civil unions if you think about it.

]]> By: Kurt http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769661 Kurt Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:02:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769661 <blockquote><p>Sadly, however, Warren’s selection proves that you can still say whatever the hell you want about gays and it just gets chalked up as a “disagreement.”</p></blockquote> <p>In this case it was a disagreement. You expect him to say something different when he is against homosexuals marrying?</p> <blockquote><p>Excuse me, but if Warren had made similar remarks about interracial marriage</p></blockquote> <p>Also, real cute how you tried to link the two items, although you kind of struck out. Maybe you should try to attack black’s in general for being against homosexual marriage.</p>

Sadly, however, Warren’s selection proves that you can still say whatever the hell you want about gays and it just gets chalked up as a “disagreement.”

In this case it was a disagreement. You expect him to say something different when he is against homosexuals marrying?

Excuse me, but if Warren had made similar remarks about interracial marriage

Also, real cute how you tried to link the two items, although you kind of struck out. Maybe you should try to attack black’s in general for being against homosexual marriage.

]]> By: dejadejavu http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769660 dejadejavu Mon, 22 Dec 2008 20:01:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/22/in-a-surprising-development-barney-frank-objects-to-incest-accusations/#comment-1769660 <p>Invocation and benediction are religious ceremonies. I wonder why the protest doesn’t move past the selection and focus instead on why government property, and a secular office induction, are being used for for religious purposes in the first place. I understand there are plenty of churches in the DC area, so it shouldn’t be a problem booking one for post-inaugural religious ceremonies.</p> Invocation and benediction are religious ceremonies. I wonder why the protest doesn’t move past the selection and focus instead on why government property, and a secular office induction, are being used for for religious purposes in the first place. I understand there are plenty of churches in the DC area, so it shouldn’t be a problem booking one for post-inaugural religious ceremonies.

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