Apparently Third Way is thin-skinned and didn’t like something Matt Yglesias wrote on his blog about them. The acting CEO of the place that provides him blog real estate decided to bigfoot on Matt’s blog.
A Special Note Re: Third Way
This is Jennifer Palmieri, acting CEO of the Center for American Progess Action Fund.
Most readers know that the views expressed on Matt’s blog are his own and don’t always reflect the views of the Center for American Progress Action Fund. Such is the case with regard to Matt’s comments about Third Way. Our institution has partnered with Third Way on a number of important projects – including a homeland security transition project – and have a great deal of respect for their critical thinking and excellent work product. They are key leaders in the progressive movement and we look forward to working with them in the future.
Hilarity ensued in the comments. Most people think it’s pretty shocking to post on someone else’s blog, especially to "correct" the misapprehension that Matt’s opinions are in some way the opinions of the CAPAF. But delving into it, there’s even more that’s funny.
Here’s what Matt said that apparently so offended someone at Third Way who then managed to get Ms Palmieri to pounce on Matt’s blog, using her publisher’s keys:
I’m getting sort of tired of the endless discussion of whether Barack Obama is a wholesome liberal or an evil centrist, but I have to say something about one aspect of this story:
“Barack Obama has never made any bones about it: He is a moderate,” said Matt Bennett, co-founder of Third Way, a moderate public policy think tank. “People who ignored that did so at their peril.”
Third Way is a neat organization — I used to work across the hall from them. And they do a lot of clever messaging stuff that a lot of candidates find very useful. But their domestic policy agenda is hyper-timid incrementalist bullshit. There are a variety of issues that they have nothing whatsoever to say on, and what policy ideas they do have are laughable in comparison to the scale of the problems they allegedly address. Which is fine, because Third Way isn’t really a “public policy think tank” at all, it’s a messaging and political tactics outfit. But Barack Obama’s policy proposals aren’t like that. At all. Nor do personnel on his policy teams — including the more ideologically moderate members — stand for anything that’s remotely as weak a brew as the stuff Third Way puts out. And yet, Third Way loves Barack Obama and says he’s a moderate just like them. Which is great. But everyone needs to see that these things are moving in two directions simultaneously. At the very same time Obama is disappointing progressive supporters on a number of fronts, he’s also bringing moderates on board for things that are way more ambitious than anything they were endorsing two or three years ago.
Without regard to the truth of what Matt said about Third Way, hyper-timid incrementalism , or Obama’s movement of moderates into more progressive suiting, the blogospheric moral of the story is this: the original blog post that so offended had 14 comments. The rude apologia that will always call into question Matt Yglesias’s editorial independence from the Center for American Progress Action Fund? 313 comments at this writing, and climbing steadily. Talk about calling more attention to something than it ever warranted. But I guess the pressure brought to bear must have made it all worth it, right, Jennifer?
Oh, and who is Jennifer Palmieri, you might ask? Why, she was mentioned in the same Mike Allen Politico EXCLUSIVE that was the source for my Lieberman/DHS Spokesbot post on Sunday night:
—Jennifer Palmieri – a Clinton White House veteran who is now acting chief executive officer of the Center for American Progress Action Fund and senior vice president for communications at American Progress – is being considered for assistant secretary of defense for public affairs. This is different than the job how held by Geoff Morrell, who briefs journalists as Pentagon press secretary. Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who is remaining from the Bush administration, has said Morrell will stay in that role.
Aren’t progressive DeeCee politics fun? And shouldn’t our progressive public relations people understand better how things work in the blogosphere?
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Ummm … someone needs to resize that picture and repost it.
I should add that it looks that way on Firefox at least.
Fixed, and ty
Center for American Clever Messaging not so clever!
Jennifer was also the press secretary for John/Elizabeth Edwards for a while as well. And she’s worked as a press flack for various dem candidates and groups through the last few years. Just FYI as another point of reference…
fixed it for you.
not everything and everyone who calls themselves progressive actually is, or as we see in this case, acts like it.
I was just reading about this as well. Glenn Greenwald had a brief mention about this as well in one of his updates. Comments a few minutes ago were up to 524.
oops.
need to fix it for myself. that was supposed to be a strike:
Teddy – great post.
They are at 522 comments now.
deep thought from atrios:
“But their domestic policy agenda is hyper-timid incrementalist bullshit.”
Well, I guess calling bullshit sometimes DOES get attention.
Sort of off topic but Think Progress also had this:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/12/22/krugman-obama/
Just a brief note that Krugman has been in contact with Obama advisers. During his visit here, he expressed views that seemed curiously in line with theirs and some here wondered if he were auditioning for a place in the Obama Administration. I suppose this is a mixed bag. They could do worse than Krugman but the truth is the views he expressed here were pretty bland.
Hubris.
I read somewhere last night that she was also responsible for the Democratic party messaging during the 2002 midterms. Quite an impressive resume, all in all. I can’t imagine this latest blogo-dustup will improve her credentials for the Big Defense Department Job she’s angling for; people in PR nowadays need to understand All Internet Traditions, don’t they?
Third way is a synonym for neoliberal.
This link takes you to Think Progress’ About Us page. They seem pretty young and if you look at with whom they mentored Schumer, Lieberman, McCaskill, etc. they seem very center right which makes their name Think Progress both misleading and inaccurate.
It has a name: The Streisand Effect.
seems a bit ham-fisted
Surely, some TPM protocol was violated by this coup d’blog.
And now her bigfooting is the lead article on Talking Points Memo, headlined “Major Error in Judgment.”
Talk about thinskinned-ness stirring up a majot shitstorm….
Oh, thinkprogress protocol. Not TPM.
Well, at least Jennifer’s fixed the typo (in the name of her organization) in her bigfoot post. Progress, not Progess.
Well it certainly is a major example of a failure to understand how blogs operate.
That’s cool! The culture is quite advanced. The analogy to the internet’s lack of hierarchy is brilliant. An attack from above is doomed to failure. The internet is not linear.
Live and learn. I knew of the Streisand incident but had never heard of the Streisand effect before.
Are newoliberals as liberal as newcons are conservative?
That is … *not*.
hyper-timid incrementalist bullshit (or HTIB) seems destined for future greatness as an Internet Tradition, no?
I just recovered from reading the editorial page of our local gooper rag.
There is an editorial that begins by noting that with all the problems we have- it’s a TERRIBLE TIME TO CHANGE LEADERSHIP. (”It could not be a worse time for a presidential transition”) It then goes on to praise Bush for working so hard to make the transition a smooth one- including writing contingency plans for many possible emergencies….I can just see GW Clusterfuck gettin writer’s cramp writing them plans….but here’s a big clue Obama- don’t do ANYTHING that has Clusterfuck’s name on it.
In other editorial page action, Herbert Klein from the Nixon administration and the American Enterprise Institute claims that the key to Obama’s success will be how well he handles his campaign promises to be “non-partisan”…In other words, if Obama does anything goopers don’t like, they’ll do their best to bury him in a shitstorm of partisan warfare..
Finally, we have an article from a right wing think tank on medicine blasting Obama for wanting the measure the cost effectiveness of drugs and treatments, concluding”
“But it is unlikely that a “one size fits all” approach to medicine -where the lives of human beings are reduced to numbers on a graph- is what anyone has in mind”
Yeah- measuring shit is not only unamerican- it’s inhuman..
This is just an early read at what the trollic goopers have in store. They are gonna be makin stuck pig sounds for years—hollerin, lyin, schemin, and makin a general nuisance….
Welcome to the GOP in opposition- they’re FAVORITE role.
This is the About Us page for the Center for American Progress and its listing of staff is here.
available in toobz and ointment.
Failing to understand how blogs operate would, in a rational world, be a per se disqualifier for anyone seeking a job as a PR flack for government.
But, if nothing else, very little is rational these days.
“Jennifer Palmieri – a Clinton White House veteran who is now acting chief executive officer of the Center for American Progress Action Fund and senior vice president for communications at American Progress – is being considered for assistant secretary of defense for public affairs.” I sthat the job that that Major who was Patraeus’ Press Secretary over in Iraq was doing…after all didn’t he bigfoot peoples blogs, too?
BTW ~ One of the best evidences that the famous footage of Bigfoot used above is fraudulent is because of the over-reaching of the costumer. Apparently he wanted it to look even more real…so he included breasts in the beastie. But he also modelled the headgear on the Gorilla…and gave it that large mid-cranial peak created by a sagittal crest. You would find either in typical store-bought Gorilla costumes.
The problem is that only MALE apes have sagittal crests…but the breasts would be found in females…unless of course bigfoot sits around a lot drinkin’ beer and smokin’ skunkweed. Then Bigfoot might need a “mansier” ;-)
Seinfeld had a whole episode on that subject. IIRC, I think it was Kramer who wanted to market it, but they called it the brossiere, or the bro for short.
the famous footage of Bigfoot
Yeti ‘nother example of the strange environment that is blogtopia.*
(yes, Skippy coined that term)
That’s hysterical! :P
King Albert of Belgium has just accepted the resignation of the entire govt over its handling of the banking crisis.
Oh those Belgians and their thirst for accountability! How Old Yurp of them.
Let’s give Ms. Palmieri a big one-handed clap as she sashays out the door to become DoD spokesperson. I wonder if she, too, will play squash with her new boss and put a kind gloss on everything he says, regardless of whether it’s true.
But tell me. Was Ms. Palmieri defending CAP or her career prospects by taking an editor’s swipe Matt on his own blog. Surely, she has blog real estate of her own, non? I guess Obama’s security boys meant it when they said they’ll read everything you wrote on the internet, under any name.
Dya think?
Thin skinned was the word I was thinking also. You’d think someone with her previous politically related work would have learned something. Maybe she was just having a bad day, which happens to the best of us. But, she should know not to put her fingers on the keys on those days.
Goodness, she’d probably have a real hard time with FDL. Does anyone have the final comment count on that Really Big Blog of Jane’s? I think it broke some kind of record, if not the servers.
And, finally, why are big media and big others having such a hard time getting up to speed with the hows and effects of the blogosphere?
OT~
Juries in on the Fort Dix “terrorism” case.
In Oz they’d call it the “Yowie” (the Aussie version of the Sasquatch).
I heard that Belgium may actually split up into a northern Flemish state and a Southern Walloon entity…with possibilities of joining with surrounding ethnic areas. Belgium was always a fragile bi-ethnic national structure. The economic crisis has amplified tensions there.
The DLC Third way types are monitoring what we say even a small post with 14 comments! They are worried they felt the need to reply to this they are scared!
Matt clears things up in a comment:
Agree to all your points. But what’s also important is understanding why this would qualify as an instance of the Streisand Effect – the method of attempting censorship was over the top for the infraction. Why would you post a *whole new post* that draws attention to a lukewarm post. I would wonder if anyone would have paid attention to this if the attempt to censor had called attention to itself so absurdly. And that’s why Atrios and many others are calling attention to this as whining.
I kindof think that Atrios and others might have not even noticed if they had simply posted a small update to the original post.
In response to 46 — It’s not at all clear that that was Yglesias writing the comment. If it was, that’s unfortunate, because CAP really should not have the right to edit Matt’s blog in any way other than being sure the spelling is correct and there’s no obvious slander or libel. If he’s signed up for more invasive editing than that, he’s lost me. That’s why he’s really got to clear this up today. Or Palmieri does.
make that “in response to 45″
The “Center-Right” applied to Obama’s position on things, seems to reflect the inside the Beltway consensus more than the electorate.
And these people are agents of change?
All, Please read “The Prince.” Especially the chapter on “Change”. Change is hard.
Except for one small issue. What to do with Brussels, which is very mixed. The good news is they have agreed to disagree, and are not shooting at each other.
I was fond of this response from Ted:
According to his update, Yglesias just posted the message from Palmieri himself, without putting a preamble on it like “here’s something from my editor.” So it’s his fault after all anyways.