Juan Cole likes Rick Warren because he’s so personable. From my experience having a jolly social day with someone is a poor measure of their willingness to do evil. Rick Warren is of a type, a type that we need to learn to recognize in this day and age, the type that sells fake solutions to real problems.
Because while Rick Warren takes a great deal about ending global poverty, egocentric leadership, and ignorance, what he really sees is a big gravy train for his church to jump on. If Bush-Cheney sell disaster capitalism, then Rick Warren is the pastor for it. He’s a fat bastard who charms people with easy smiles, and takes the money from behind. It is the new bi-partisanship.
Let us begin with A Purpose Driven Life. It is a book that is like a cigarette commercial, it is designed, not to persuade people who have some question about religion, but to make people who are already addicts switch to Saddleback. Coherence is not on display anywhere. In philosophy, there is what is known as the "teleological fallacy." Teleology is the study of purpose. Religions and superstitions continually assume a world created by a purpose, and then argue backwards from there. It is the argument neatly summed up by "a watch implies a watchmaker." Warren is not even so clever as to have a good phrase, instead, he simply assumes it and harangues the reader to come up with an a priori purpose. It is a fundamentally illiberal and anti-human point of view, in that the idea of humanism in the West is that each individual create their own purpose.
Warren’s world, like most brands of Calvinism, assumes predestination. He declares, this without biblical support, that every detail of who you are is ordained, and your place in the world is set by it. It’s like a badly written Malcom Gladwell, another determinist, only one who invokes the god of Demographics.
In short, the entire purpose of "A Purpose Driven Life" is to beat down the reader into submission, and then once they are there, declare that they must take orders from a higher authority, specifically the representative of God before them. Warren even goes farther into dishonesty than most, in that he does not even give the biblical citations in the text, but throws them into footnotes, making it all the harder to even argue within the context of biblical theology. Warren uses the Bible when it is convenient, but hides it when it is not.
Many people praise his social engagement, in for example, AIDs intervention. The people who I know in NGOs are considerably less impressed. It turns out that Warren’s social gospel is a great deal like his theological gospel: a fraud, used to beat down opposition by declarations of love and submission, and then a demand for money to be used for the multiplication of his, rather than His, servants. Let me take two examples from his PEACE project.
The arguement of PEPFAR, Bush’s AIDs plan, is that churches, already being present and having authority, can be used for service delivery. However, the "P" in "PEACE" stands for… "plant churches." If Churches are already present, then there is no need to plant them, now is there? If they are not already present, it means that funding for PEACE is really government funding for missionary conversion work. In fact, the second letter is to create missionaries. One has to get to "A" before doing anything for actual people. Warren pays himself first.
Let’s take two examples: one is the PEACE, "Hispanics for Christ" project. It’s sole objective? Create churches among American Hispanics and convert them. That’s the whole project. One can say many things about the American hispanic population, but an absence of Christianity isn’t any of them. As a group Hispanics attend church more than whites. Saturation planting of churches is its aim, with no other objective. PEACE means sectarian conflict first. There is one for Mexico too. Note that the "ACE" is dispensed with, and only the "PE" is funded. Help the poor? First get their donations and devotion. Rick Warren Pays himself first.
Now let’s take another PEACE project, the community in the Philipines:
We shall help bring Christ into the lives of these people by insisting in them to form into small groups and study small group materials that would direct them to God and to growth in character. Hopefully, we can also assist in building a network of support (government and non-government) for these people from whom they can appeal for financing assistance (livelihood loans and funding) and other things that can add to the welfare of the community. This would include building a network of churches that would be ready to receive new attendees coming from the small groups we have formed.
After the recitation of facts, the core of their proejct is laid out: set up a community they control, including the political leaders, and make them meet every week to study the Bibles that they pass out and the materials they send. This is Disaster Christianity. Find hopeless people, give them a few goods and services, and then build a theocracy. It is the model of Hamas in Palestine. Clearly the argument that "churches are already present" is a sham, their projects go, instead, where their churches are not already present, and bargain the stuff of life, for political theocratic control. Rick Warren, again, pays himself first.
Rick Warren is that typical figure from Christian history, the pastor who consorts with Mammon, such as Rupert Murdoch, and tells them that wealth is good. In his book he repeatedly says that handling worldly wealth is a sign of spiritual good. This ignores the admonitions of Christ about the souls of rich men, and giving all to the poor. Just enough to the poor so that they have to join your church for their daily bread.
Rick Warren’s PEACE projects are nothing more than theocracy in action. Find hopeless people, plant churches, take over the political and social structure, and then make everyone’s livelihood dependent on the Church. Like his theology, Rick Warren’s activism is about one thing: expanding the size of his business empire. He lives well, and is fat, while he expects others to slave away for pennies in distant lands. Rick Warren pays himself first.



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It’s sad to see that Warren can make so much money off of magical thinking.
I did like it when Ann Curry pointed out to Pastor Rick™ that King Solomon had 700 wives. Pastor Rick™ laughingly replied, “And he was wrong!”
Pick and choose, people — pick and choose. It’s cafeteria Christianity at its best.
spectacular take down. No doubt he hopes for profit from Obama’s faith based initiatives.
Obama’s continued, direct support for Rick Warren has really diminished my respect for him. In the same week he announced how important science is to this country he defends Warren, who unequivocally denounces evolution. All of the Obama associations nonsense from the right is ridiculous, but to see Obama stand up time after time and defend people like Warren disgusts me. And the fact that Obama can’t seem to understand about how really wrong he is about Warren says a lot about Obama’s blindness to “men of God”.
Reverend Jim Jones started out preaching Jesus and ended up murdering hundreds of people. Would Obama have given him a stage?
Krugman sez about Rick Warren: Huxley wept
What’s the story about Warren’s AIDS work? Also just set up churches for them to attend?
We will not solve our problems until we realize that we can no longer pay protection money to the ignorant right in return for their not revolting.
Set up churches first, tell them not to have sex.
Bravo for this post.
Rick Warren has often been described as a master marketer. That is true. He has established a brand and is propagating it using tax exempt dollars, access to political power and hiding behind well-crafted facades of freedom of speech. Modern religion (and I suspect religions throughout history) no longer has use for sophisticated philosophic analysis – as in vedic, talmudic, christian church father scholarship. It is simply enough to have a glib facade, lure folks with the prospect of god-given riches, and surround the young with fancy music clubs, nascar rallies and summer camps.
No major religion I can think of has ever pushed for democracy, let alone human rights or rule of law determined by human values. They always hide behind this facade to limit powers of persons by sect, politics, sex or race. They consistently hold that their interpretation of an ancient text must hold pride of place over the preferences of real world person.s This entire realm must be hammered away at – and deconstructed. They will always seek to rise again but we must be ready to push back.
Gee, I could have thought of the second part if I’d tried a little harder.
Warren would fit right in around here (OK). We have what (IIRC) is known as the “gospel of prosperity” – the idea is to donate to the church (natch) and god will bestow upon you the blessing of wealth. Not exactly religion, more like a supernatural investment strategy.
Short version: Warren is a con man. I’m not surprised that Obama was conned, but am disappointed that Juan Cole was.
“Handling worldly wealth is a sign of spiritual good”? That could have come from the pulpit of any Robber Baron church since Rockefeller monopolized oil, since non-landed, i.e., industrial, wealth first changed the face of Victoria’s Britain, and made it Dickens’ nightmare.
Federal tax dollars subsidizing proselytizing, under the guise of delivering services to the poor? Sounds like another facet of George Bush’s outsourcing of government’s responsibility to its people, both domestically and in managing their country’s relations with foreign states. What’s never discussed is the drain on tax dollars as they “fund” the poor, but first fund those who provide them “services”. A dynamic that the intelligence-industrial complex has profitably taken advantage of.
Rick Warren believes in Rick Warren the way Dick Cheney believes in Dick Cheney.
I think he hopes that at least Warren represents an improvement.
It seems to me, instead, that Warren realizes that he can collect money from people who hate homosexuals, and from liberals who are taken in by his “social gospel.”
Obama, well he campaigned as unity ‘08, and I don’t see why people are surprised when he acts taht way. The diagnosis in the beltway is that there is a hard core fo the ignorant right, and to do anything they must appease that hard core, and if necessary, bribe them.
Essentially, Obama and others like them believe that liberals and progressives will go along no matter what, but that fundamentalists won’t. They have ample evidence for that point of view.
Madoff and Warren. Two sides of the same con.
Warren’s affability and in-person magnetism must be off-the-charts; most who meet him come away feeling very positively about him. The same can be said for Jim Jones, of course.
Excellent post.
There’s an increasing chorus insisting that the protest about Warren is an overreaction. I think these people ignore at our peril the danger of this “soft bigotry.” Cleaned up and presented as loving, but by Warren’s own admission merely differing in tone as opposed to content.
“Obama and others like them believe that liberals and progressives will go along no matter what, but that fundamentalists won’t. They have ample evidence for that point of view.”
Up to a point. How many times do we “turn the other cheek”?
Great post radhika! Organized religion is, and always has been, about empire building and the amassing of capital. Period. “God” is the vehicle through which this happens.
Democracy and institutional religion, certainly Christian ones, seem diametrically opposed. Multiple voices are heresy, not free speech. Institutions demand followership, not democratic participation. Warren’s seems a religion of dominance.
Rep Frank says ‘no’ to Warren at Inauguration:
Juan Cole is a brilliant man. I was shocked to read his take on Warren. Perhaps even more shocking, according to Cole, is that Pastor Rick garnered some empathy from Melissa Etheridge.
The comments there are quite good. Most reflect some dismay with Cole’s report. David Ehnrenstein’s comment is especially poignant. There’s some good stuff over there.
That, in 2009, for a Presidential inauguration, we must have this fat, rich, homophobic, warmongering bastard interpret our behavior as an interlocutor between us and a Sky God, is a sad commentary on how superstitious and ignorant we remain.
A lawyer once gave me the only lesson I needed to know about con men. I had gived a binder to sellers of apt I was buying without checking with my lawyer. I forget the circumstances, but think it was a Friday, I didn’t know the lawyer & the couple really wanted to know I was serious. The following week, I met with the lawyer & he asked me why I had turned over money without any papers. I said because they seemed like nice trustworthy people. The lawyer said that all con men were nice people who seem trustworthy. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t be successful at The Con.
I reprised that story recently wrt Madoff.
And now Warren.
I would add that Jesus would not likely recognize the church that uses his Hellenized name. To paraphrase a comment from Rumpole of the Bailey, we should avoid confusing the Christian church with Christianity.
Wow, what a great, great, post.
aimai
It came to me in a flash of brilliance yesterday that ‘unity’ is the most devisive device of all. Because unification in the presence of real differences must become a pressure tactic, and a dismissiveness of those who do not agree. Just like Obama is dismissing the gays for objecting to Warren.
Excellent observation. Is Warren merely riding a popular, if minority, wave in California in order to profit from it? He seems to lack the humility required to be a credible voice of God to anyone outside the top 1% tax bracket.
One of the few brilliant things that my wingnut son ever said was: What does Christianity have to do with Christ anyhow?
Teddy Partridge
From the kennedy thread
The stratocruisers of the world want to ensure the partidges of San Francisco appreciate that the Caroline Kennedys in America restrict themselves to third person singular.
I just hope that Melissa’s career doesn’t suffer because she was on the same stage with Rick Warren. Judging from the tempers being fanned lately, I’d get a good guard dog if I was her.
1,850 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Streling Newberry and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
I think that choosin’ this bigoted fascist to deliver the invocation was not only a serious political mistake that threatens to undermine the entire inauguration but exposes a dangerous failing in Obama’s understnadin’ of the nature of the evil that threatens our world today. He really thinks that corporate fascism and it’s army of religionist and pseudo patriotic mercenaries can be “triangulated” or politically isolated by providing them more space and attention under the scrutiny of national television spectacle. He really thinks he can orchestrate mass responses to anything and more fightening is his apparent belief that mass opinion has any effect on the insitutionalized power of the fascism that threatens to enslave and ultimately destroy the planet.
What must happen now is to hit Obama with an overwhelming response from the general population, it is not enough for the gay community to rise up en masse, this will only succeed in isolating and triangulating the GLBT community unless elected leaders from the Democratic Party get behind the GLBT folks and make it clear that the movement and “popular politics” that Obama is driving will run into the wall of fascist power and he’ll lose evrything he’s gained to this point if he doesn’t dump this bastard.
I think that we ALL must put the heat on our elected Democrats to publically protest this monster’s place on the sacred stage of democracy which is the inauguration…I don’t know that we ken do it, but if we don’t this administration is dead before it ever gets into office.
Meryy fuckin’ Xmas and…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE STRUGGLE GOES ON AND ON AND…
Why do americans think they can buy everything. Salvation from some doG or love from their kids.
Yeah, these LGBT people are just too emotional. Uppity bunch of queers to get so upset about someone who advocates their elimination — and gives material support to African “Christians” who advocate murdering those tiresome queers.
How dare they have a temper about people who wish them dead. Don’t they know they should be quiet? Speaking out is offensve to those who confuse transitional objects with venal politicians.
Those queers should really keep their tempers to themselves, no?
Ptooey, there’s
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I should make it clear that I am no theologian and certainly no fan of Rick Warren, but he does not represent all organized religion. I am a practicing Jew and I can tell you that Talmudic discussion and debate is very much alive in Jewish culture and religion. We are taught to think through the stories of the Torah, not just read them. The Mishnah is full of stories praising those who had the strength and wisdom to argue with their teachers and each other. Judaism has actually made me a much stronger person intellectually.
As to the problem of a “purpose-driven” view of life, I don’t think it is fundamentally at odds with Western Humanism. The line between “creating” a purpose and “discovering” a purpose is very thin. It depends on who is doing the discovery. Rick Warren is certainly not allowed to discover my purpose for me (or anyone else, for that matter). However, I don’t think it matters if I create or discover my purpose, I personally believe it is waiting to be discovered. Others may feel they are continually creating it; it doesn’t really matter in the end.
All that said, I really do think Rick Warren is an awful choice. I just don’t think it’s because of his religion.
I stole this from someone on the tubes: The follow-up question to Rick Warren’s theory that equates gays with pedophiles is this:
Society deems that pedophiles belong in prison. Do you suggest that gays also belong in prison?
Oh please.
Melissa is an artist of integrity and vision. Pastor Rick™ should be so lucky as to have any of that rub off on him. And I don’t mean “rub off” the way Pastor Rick™ means it when he talks dirty to Ann Curry.
I wish this wasn’t about Teh Gays quite so much.
Do people understand that Pastor Rick™ thinks Jews will go to hell? He told a Jew so not too long ago:
Do people understand that he sees Christian goodworkers as Marxists?
Do people understand that he thinks the movement to make abortion rare is a charade?
Do people understand that he views the pro-choice movement as enabling a Holocaust, something deeply offensive to women as well as Jews?
Do people understand that gays cannot join his church?
Do people understand that he lied about John McCain being in a “cone of silence” before the forum at the Saddleback Church & Store™?
Do people understand that he lied about Prop 8’s impact on his own free speech?
Rick Warren = Elmer Gantry for the 21st Century
For me, this is a defining moment in who Obama really is.
There is nothing wrong with making a mistake. We’re going to find out if Obama stubbornly clings to his mistakes a la Bush, or if he is emotionally mature enough to do the right thing.
I have the audacity to hope.
Precisely. And leave us not forget, Oprah is Warren’s pimp.
Just remember, when massive amounts of waste and fraud are uncovered in Warren’s operation “no one could have forseen” that anything could be wrong.
whocoodanode??
and this is different from other churches, how?
DUGG
thank you, Stirling, for the heavy dose of “church/Warren truth”!
The Devil made him do it.
pyramid scheme.
two ways
financial and
egypt’s deity structure personified./s
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and the government funds are contingent upon following guidelines imposed by the bush administration that include no condoms/safe sex talk. other ngo’s in place that worked in brothel areas and areas like that were no longer allowed to pass out condoms or would lose their meager funding.
hands tied.
i found this looking for an article about the un/world bank and funding.that i couldn’t find.
title: Rough Cut
Uganda: The Condom Controversy
AIDS and the abstinence debate
BY Daniele Anastasion
July 13, 2007
http://www.pbs.org/frontlinewo….._cond.html
here is a link to an article and 8 minute segment from frontline pbs.
1/3 of bush’s (OUR) pepfar money goes to abstinence only education..or else. in the first two years of implementation, aids doubled in uganda.
Book Salon upstairs with host Cliff Schecter on Joe Trippi’s “The Revolution Will Not Be Televised
Suggested edit.
Possibly a transcription error from the lizard brain to the middle frontal cortex– eat or be eaten becomes consume or be consumed.
Juan Cole puts forth an honest and courageous appraisal, putting his reputation (as he does daily) on the line. Most of the comments here are not worthy of an honest discussion. The first graph of this post (Juan Cole likes Warren because he’s personable) trivializes Juan Cole’s well though out argument and trivializes what ought to be a serious discussion.
Rick Warren, whoever he is, is not going away. Nor is religion, nor is Christianity, nor are evangelicals. Like it or not, they are part of the same world and pie we all share. He has his fair share of issues, and has some profoundly wrong ideas about homosexuality and other sexual matters.
Engaging Warren is the grown-up thing to do. Warren has lived most of his life in a rather large bubble of similar-minded people. Obama has put him on a larger stage, and there’s no turning back from that now. With the larger stage, comes deeper scrutiny and greater sunlight. Let us have the man and his movement more visible and more publicly accountable.
Warren is in many ways a pragmatist, and is not an inflexible zealot. These qualities should be appreciated, and Melissa Etheridge is doing the right and smart thing in publicly challenging him to change his views. This is the mature thing to do.
And have appreciation for the not so small gauntlet that Juan Cole threw down: that Warren’s description of surrendering to God is (unwittingly) a western explanation of Islam itself. Mr. Warren, we want to hear what you have to say.
Thanks, camilow.
It’s very much what I was thinking.
Dear Stirling thank you so much for this post.
I have sometimes, in the past, been slow to get excited about LGBT issues, but I had no problem feeling outrage at the choice of Warren. I grew up in the evangelical tradition and grew to be very afraid of it. My paranoia kicked in immediately. Feel-good hustlers are just as dangerous as hell-fire hustlers, and I can’t believe that people actually think that Obma is so brilliant, so flawless, that he can’t be seduced by his own rhetoric.
One doesn’t ask someone who wants to undermine the constitution to please bless the ceremony that enshrines it. Will there be a creationist on his science team? I doubt it.
Obamas weakness here is that he has not been warped (and made wiser) by a fundamentalist upbringing and therefore no bells go off in his head when he is confronted with what is essentially a charming representative of the American Taliban.
I think its creative and hopeful that he will sit down and negotiate with the taliban, and the right wing, and whoever else is a threat to our democracy, but I don’t want one of them praying our President into office.
You are absolutely right. This was a big mistake and we need to admit that Obama has a blind spot when it comes to preachers. Probably because he grew up secular (normal) and doesn’t have the conditioned paranoia that anyone raised in a fundamentalist household has. He needs to have an advisor who is not just queer, but who has experience with hateful clergy. The granola gays don’t get it any more than Obama does. It’s all, “well lets see if the evangelicals will listen and learn”. Are they f****** kidding? They share with Cheny the belief that its ok to torture the “enemy” (eternal damnation) for all eternity, or until they confess, reprent, and turn in their friends.
And your dishonest reply to my post trivializes the hard evidence that I present that Rick Warren is a huckster. His so-called “PEACE Projects” are nakedly designed to swell his flock first, and then make people dependent on attending and adhering to a politically enforced religious police state.
But I would like to thank you for revealing the angry bullying that comes out the moment that Warren is questioned.
I feel that Juan Cole’s post – and I almost certainly know him better than you do – was extremely ill considered, and contrary to his usual work, ill informed. The facts on the ground are different: Warren’s “Peace Projects” are amateurish wastes of money at best, and theo-fascism at worst.
I cannot remain silent while Rick Warren’s self-aggrandizement causes people who might have otherwise lived die instead, had they been seen as people, and not possible converts. And it does not matter how many personal testimonials he gets, or from whom.
Juan Cole’s post was surprising not simply for his conclusion that there might be more to Warren than bullying the sexually non-compliant out of their civil rights. That’s a fair comment. But as he writes in his post, he based his column on reading a single book and a few hours meeting with Mr. Warren, in a venue at which his talents most shine. Stirling suggests that a more thorough review of Mr. Warren’s history and programs does not jive with Prof. Cole’s hopeful conclusions. They are, in fact, directly at odds with Mr. Warren’s history.
I imagine Obama is triangulating with virtually anyone who might be won over, inviting them to his table, as Christian theology might put it. Fundamentally, however, as a politician, he is responsible for framing the message. Giving Mr. Warren such a prominent place at his inauguration cedes that to his opponents. Which suggests either that he agrees with them, or has determined that Warren and his followers will come to the table only when he serves their favorite foods. Progressives? They can clean up afterward.
personality, charm, talent, charisma – these are not the same thing as character. but character is harder to discern, and that makes it possible, even easy to get fooled.
here’s a simple test – how does he person treat the marginalized, the oppressed, the powerless? does he suck up to power and prestige while looking down at the weak or does he stand up to the powerful insiders in order to defend the outsiders?
Thank you so much Stirling! I was confused about Warren’s ”good” works although I am not confused at all that he must have the considerable charms of any good conman or serial killer (thanks for including that reference too) or common garden-variety abuser.
And he is defintely using these ”talents” on good people like Juan Cole and Melissa Etheridge. And of course, these characters depend on the social niceties that the rest of us live by. How often do people who deserve it get disrespected or even challenged in public? Why, no, even torturers get time on primetime tv these days.
It’s got nothing to do with religion. And as far as I am concerned it’s gone beyond the issue of gay rights. Warren is a liar ~ about gays, about religion, and about his business. And about Obama which is one of the more shocking parts of this drama.
There have been numerous wonderful comments here so I’d like to add just this.
Notice that Cole reports Warren saying ”I love Muslims. And for the purposes of the media, I actually love gays and lesbians.” As he is sharing the stage with a lesbian artist from whom he requests an autograph, according to Cole. This is either deeply conflicted or cruelly manipulative. Is this supposed to be some kind of making nice? Don’t be fooled. This is part of the con. This is but one play in the game.
”FOR THE PURPOSES OF THE MEDIA” ~ So it’s a PR play.
”ACTUALLY LOVE” ~ Actually means what? In spite of all past statements?
Oh, he ’loves’ Muslims but ’actually loves’ gays and lesbians. Yeah?
Feh.
It is only abusers who claim to love those whom they also belittle and demonize. Warren is a toxic personality. I find it more and more disturbing.
This is what worries me about Warren: his snake-oil, nice guy persona seems to be bought by way too many non-religious zealot Americans.
Example: Gavin Newsome. He is the mayor of San Francisco. You would think he would be very angry at Warren. No, he doesn’t like what Warren said about gays. BUT, on Rachel Maddow’s TV show, he also said he had met Warren several times and found him very nice and personable.
So F-ing what???? It is really depressing to see so many Americans so easily duped. I swear to God/Buddha/whatever, if that slimeball tried to be nice to me, I would just walk away. Oops! I forgot. I am not famous — I guess I don’t count.
(And if you ARE religious, remember the story of false prophets.)
Apologies: I got the quote wrong … Warren says ”I happen to love gays and lesbians.” Sounds even worse!
I read the thread over at Juan Cole’s and I notice that some people who are trying to be ”agreeable” see this dance as a necessary part of changing minds. Some seem to think Warren’s mind may be changed by Etheridge and Obama???? But don’t Warren & Co. think everyone else’s mind is being changed?
Just who is changing whose minds?
WHAT A MESS!
I am opposed to the Religious Left.
This is not just the inaugural. This is dancin’ with those you HOPE will bring you. (ie assured votes). This is the law of unintended consequences.
Look at the world of hurt the ‘r’s are in. ‘Cultural values’ have ALOT to do with that walk in the wilderness.
Molly Ivins must be twirling in her grave.
No, no, no. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Can’t put it strongly enough.