Hybrids are too often thought of simply in terms of personal vehicles.
They are also penetrating the big vehicle market space.
Consider the average delivery truck and all its starts/stops. There is a lot of energy to capture there, which is why UPS is pursuing hybrids. And, as per Walmart and its hybrid trucks, they are hitting the semi-trailer world. There are also efforts to apply hybrids to trash trucks and offer the opportunity to silence those squealing brakes at 5:45 am. Ann Arbor, Michigan, has started to get hybrid buses as is London. And, well, now they’re coming to a school system (maybe) near you.
As per Badger, at Daily Kos, Lake Chelan, Washington, took delivery of a Plug-In Hybrd Electric school Bus (PHEB) in summer 2007 as part of a national effort to develop and test the technology.
As per AutoBlogGreen, Manatee County, Florida, is also part
of this "as part of the Plug-In Hybrid Electric School Bus Project. Designed to test the viability of the new buses, a hybrid and a control bus will travel the same route, alternating every two weeks, for a period of two years which should equate to more than a million miles of service each."
This sort of research and data collection, with open publication of the data and research analysis, is required to help make "hyped concepts" into real options for local government administrators around the country.
And, those in the test program are, from everything that I am hearing and seeing, ecstatic about the buses. Many in the blogosphere had a chance to hear this first hand as the Austin Independent School District brought there PHESB to Netroots Nation for a morning. And, the words were glowing, praising the bus’s performance and very happy about the about 80% reduction in fuel use.
Take a look at the objective: "fuel economy improvements of 70 to 100 percent will be realized on the plug-in hybrid vehicles plus a reduction in emissions of up to 90 percent."
A doubling of fuel economy? Think it of this way, there are in NY state alone 46,000 school buses … Rising fuel costs have hammered these school systems in recent years, leading to reductions in services.
Now, these buses are not cheap, that is in terms of their "cost to buy". They are now in the range, last I heard, of about $225,000 each as opposed to a ‘typical’ school bus of $75,000. Wow! Amid economic hard times that is a pretty hard sticker shock to deal with for any school system. But, these plug-ins are far from the
mass-produced, assembly line stage, but the test and evaluation versions. For the future, the question that requires answering: For a doubling of fuel efficiency (and 90% reduction in pollution), what is the price differential that is worth paying? According to Badger’s discussion:
A 100 bus order will drop the price per bus to about $140,000, which, according to our Transportation Director, will make the 15 year life-cycle cost comparable to a traditional school bus costing around $78,000.
Now, some don’t look at this so optimistically. The Christian Science Monitor had an article on plug-in hybrid school buses in 2007. This is how they write on this:
Each of the first 19 buses costs over $200,000 – more than double the cost of a regular model. At that price, they won’t pay for themselves over their lives, even with superior fuel savings. It’s a chicken-and-egg problem because until about 1,000 buses roll off assembly lines, the cost of production will keep prices high.
"Won’t pay for themselves …"
Okay, but what happens past those 1000 buses, as the wheels go round and round …
Note the level of mass production that is required to make these cost effective … 1000 vehicles in some form of sustained production process.
Even after manufacturing efficiencies and competition bring the price down, plug-in hybrid school buses may still cost $40,000 more than a regular bus. But at that point, they will pay for themselves in just a few years with lower maintenance and fuel costs, analysts say.
Okay, the will cost more to “buy” but … note the payback period, a few years. They will cost far (FAR) less to own as decade-old busses are the norm, not the exception, for most school systems.
Nation-wide, this means that school buses burn a little more than 1/2 of a day’s oil use. The plug-in hybrids offer an opportunity to cut that in half. A path toward the equivalent of 5+ million barrels of oil production per year. (Translate this to cash: That is roughly a reduction of US imports of oil by $250 million per year at $50 per barrel.) Could we find a path for, let’s say, $500 million (total) for the Federal government to spark a move to PHESBs? If so, it would sound like a great investment stream for me. Far from a silver bullet solution to the nation’s problems, but an interesting Silver BB?
But, let’s go back to an item.
"Won’t pay for themselves …"
Okay, time to ask the question: is it only fuel costs that should be on the table?
Thinking past stove-piped accounting
We already see that this step can help deal with our oil demand and, therefore, help with Peak Oil and security/financial implications of lowering oil use.
That is good and we can monetize this value. But, it is not a value that the school system directly sees and not a value part of school board accounting.
PHEBs / PHEVs offer the potential, with a smart(er) grid, to provide backup power during emergencies. What might a fleet of 100 PHEBs mean for an area losing power due to a hurricane? Portable emergency generators? This is a value that could be monetized but is not part of the decision making.
Well, there is that minor thing called Global Warming. Cutting 5 million barrels of oil, roughly 250 million+ gallons, which translates quite roughly into over five billion pounds or more than 2.5 million tons of CO2. With a CO2 fee of, let us say, $25 per ton, that is over $62 million of value, per year. At $50 ton, $120 million that would help pay that purchase differential for many PHEBs. But, that sort of fee is not part of any school system’s decision-making, it seems.
Even further, costs to society. Let us start to think further, to consider costs, very serious costs related to diesel buses, and figure out how they might (should) fit into decision-making for PHEBs: for school districts and public transit systems. While the exact degree of total impact is unclear, consider what happens with these buses each day. Consider the school buses.
In the United States more than 23 million
schoolchildren board school buses each day. Of the country’s half million or so school buses, most are aging diesel-powered vehicles. We are all familiar with the black plumes of smoke billowing from the tailpipes of diesel trucks and buses, and just as we would not hand our child a cigarette, we would hardly allow our children to stand behind a smoke-belching school bus.
Yet …
The truth is that tailpipe exhaust often seeps inside the bus, sometimes in concentrations far higher than the amount outside the bus, and diesel exhaust is linked to a host of public health hazards.
Who is counting the health impacts on the children and
others in the community? How are an asthma sufferer’s more frequent crises accounting in school transportation decisions as to whether to buy PHEBs? How do we account for the lung cancers that could be avoided?
If we could move beyond stove-piped calculations of cost-benefit relationships, the decision to buy PHEBs would become a no-brainer.
Making the Enegy Smart Choice the Right Choice, the Easy Choice …
If this is so self-evident, why isn’t it happening? Well, there is that sticker shock (worsened in bad budget times) and the reality that we live and work in a stove-piped world. Right now, there are communities striving to work together to build a purchase order of 300 buses and, therefore, to start driving down that purchase price sticker shock and begin the move to make these a nation-wide option. This, however, is a slow path toward mass penetration of the bus market. Amid a $1 trillion (or so) stimulus package, can we energize Energize America to find a path to get PHESBs into communities across the country on a faster path.
What if the Federal Government, as part of the coming stimulus package, would commit to provide $100 million / year to spark the PHESB industry and to make PHESBs the standard for school systems?
- Capacity: According to discussions with the manufacturer and several people involved in the test program, unlike plug-in cars, there are not major bottlenecks to a rapid ramp up of the program. It is a modification of existing bus designs/systems, and there is much spare space for putting in batteries with the added controls (relatively) straightforward to put into the system. Manufacturing should (according to what I’ve been told) be able to handle a serious shift to PHESBs from regular diesel buses.
- Investment cost: Okay, sticker price. Is this really where we want to spend $100 million? Let’s think about this for a moment. For $100 million per year, even over a decade, this would lead to a reduction by 2020 of about 5 million barrels/year of US oil demand. Even without discussing Peak Oil, this represents easily $250 million dollars per year of reduced oil imports. And, this means even more than that in terms of reduced costs to local school systems across the country. For perhaps $1 billion, for a decade-long program (and which is likely a high figure for what is required), PHESBs could be the standard and save school systems, directly, $100s of millions per year in reduced fuel costs. And, of course, this is not even counting those minor little benefits like reduced diesel pollution, electrical services options (think school bus powering a school fair, without the engine running), and emergency services capabilities (how might post-Katrina have gone if there had been 3000 PHESBs within easy driving range, ready to provide power services to hospitals, shelters, grocery stores, etc …). Thus, there is an upfront investment cost for real and sustained long term value across many domains.
- Related material at Get Energy Smart! NOW!!!. And, this is a subject that I’ve written on before, in multiple angles, thus this piece builds on those previous discussions … thank you for those who have seen pieces before and persevered anyway.
- There is another, quite serious, element to this need to consider the costs more broadly. Other than school children, who is riding buses? The wealthiest, the powerful? No, in general, public buses are used by those lower on the economic spectrum. There is a social equity question here. Who are we, as a society, exposing to these fumes? What communities are most struck by additional diesel fumes that could be avoided?
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schoolchildren board school buses each day. Of the country’s half million or so school buses, most are aging diesel-powered vehicles. We are all familiar with the black plumes of smoke billowing from the tailpipes of diesel trucks and buses, and just as we would not hand our child a cigarette, we would hardly allow our children to stand behind a smoke-belching school bus.
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Fixed it for ya.
I understand the cost factor to taxpayers that is involved. But if we can give the Big Three Automakers $25 billion for hybrid technology, among other things, we can do the same for our children. Of course, there is a big “but” to this because the buses don’t serve the wealthy, at least some of their children ride the bus, but the poor kids, so it just doesn’t matter that much to them. Social inequity continues to rear its ugly head.
http://blackpoliticalthought.blogspot.com
BAE is building hybrid buses here in the southern tier of New York.
Thanks AS
Personally, as I watch the jet contrails across the sky, I wonder why no one ever talks about the garbage planes are putting into our skies at atmospheric heights…..Wonder when we’ll get around to that one
BTW Caroline Kennedy continues her campaign to prove that she really is a light-weight whose strongest position staked out so far is one of personal entitlement.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12…..nnedy.html
Love this quote: “Undocumented workers should pay a fine, learn English and go to the back of the line behind those who came here legally.”
Oh, Caroline – THEY have to go to the back of the line..but YOU want to jump the line completely? Hmmm?
I don’t know if this is the same diesel-electric system I worked on in Santa Clara, CA around 1999, but BAE bought UDLP (previously FMC Ground Systems). Back in 2000 John Deere wanted a hybrid tractor and provided a gigantic tractor for the project, but UDLP didn’t act on their contract, for unknown reasons.
Besides UPS, FedEx and the USPS should step up to hybrid or electric vehicles, and with the right incentive, would.
I’m surprised that in, say, Chicago, Fed Ex hasn’t gone to a mother ship and destroyers operation with a vehicle, two staff and one or two bikes. They generally have a package on every block in my neighborhood, and it would be easier and immensely more efficient to cover this by parking and having staff circle on two routes back to the truck, then move the truck and do the same.
Check out Ikea’s program in Europe – not as easy to implement here of course – but still the use of bikes as delivery is a definite possibility:
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2…..bikes.html
here’s another shot from copenhagenize – I love these guys, really. Four cargo bikes seen by the poster in one day..all different uses.
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2…..e-day.html
and, from their site:
Copenhagenize.com
Each and every day 500,000 people ride their bicycle to work or school in Copenhagen. This blog highlights who they are, why they do and how it was made possible.
Forty years ago Copenhagen was just as car-clogged as anywhere else but now 36% of the population choose the bicycle. Copehagenizing is possible anywhere.
There are definitely places in the US that could produce the same sorts of results. Mike Bloomburg – are you listening, buddy?
So is focusing on mass transit as opposed to personal vehicles the quickest cheapest way to cut gas use?
The problem is that a huge percentage of this country is not reachable by mass transit, which always puts people in the 80% of the geography in this country at a disadvantage. They have no way to get to work except for personal transport.
Actually, there are many hybrid buses out there, and they are a real improvement. The PHESB takes this the step forward, not just recovering some of the energy from braking for efficiency but actually moving some part of the fuel load / demand from liquid fuels to the electric grid.
Kassandra – It is talked about and there are different paths being pursued from greater fuel efficiency to biofuels to even consideration of embedded some solar cells into the wings to reduce liquid fuel demands.
Well, quite probably not.
The ‘cheapest’ path toward rapid change would be to put feedback systems into every car. Cost perhaps $50 per personal vehicle, times roughly 200 million, thus a $10 billion program over perhaps 3 years. This would lead to roughly a 1 million barrel/day reduction in gasoline/diesel use along with some 1000s of fewer highway fatalities/year and fewer accidents due to safer driving. Thus, a $10 billion program that would save the nation $50 million/day in imported oil costs (About $18 billion/year based on $50 barrel oil) and easily $10 billion/year in reduced costs from fewer accidents / fatalities.
But, there are leverage points that can make quick change. School buses, as per this discussion, are one. Another one, surprisingly, is to subsidize taxi moves to hybrids. Taxis average, roughly, 10 times the mileage of the average car. If you can get a taxi to triple its mpg (which can be done with a move from their normal sedans to a Prius, for example, 2+ times with a move to a Ford Escape Hybrid), that is like taking 6+ cars off the road.
A — the school bus thing is huge for rural school districts. Our school district is 600 Sq. miles. There is another one close by that is just as big; they had to cut out everything in terms of bus runs except for the one in the morning and the one in the afternoon. That means that teh little kids are being picked up at 6:30 in the morning and not getting home until 4-5 p.m. at night. it also means that any kid who was depending on the ‘late bus’ to participate in sports, music or getting help from the teachers after school…now has to depend on getting a ride home some other way.
Timeshifting? The charge in the bus’ battery has to come from somewhere – either the grid (why doesn’t the school fair just use the grid?) or the engine.
natural gas plug in hybrid electric is a lot cleaner than diesel. It also taps into North American reserves.
“The ‘cheapest’ path toward rapid change would be to put feedback systems into every car. Cost perhaps $50 per personal vehicle, times roughly 200 million, thus a $10 billion program over perhaps 3 years.”
What are “feedback systems” ?
Also I’ve heard on theRandiRoadesShow references to Willie Nelson’s biodiesel bus and that the conversion of existing diesel vehicles –cars, trucks, buses– is relatively inexpensive. Also, the fuel can be made from non-food sources; I read recently that algae is a promising biofuel source especially as carbon dioxide accelerates its growth.
I think there are a lot of green answers underway; we just have to remove the dead hands of Monsanto, ConAgra and the oil corpse from government.
Another point with school buses is to make them part of the ducational process, rather than merely transportation. When kids are on buses the time is “dead time”…used mainly for sopcializing, distracting those kids who are trying to read, etc. If one could incorporate some technology into the buses so that kids could review material for classes, do homework or “pre-work” on the way to school (e.g. a set of mandatory questions so the kids would hit the classroom up and running ), or watching a required video, then we might finally achieve the academic levels seen in other countries. That one to two hour bus trip would be productive…perhaps helping the students on the bus to more quickly do homework, etc.