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	<title>Comments on: Where is the Shoe Guy? Beatings, Apologies and Censorship</title>
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		<title>By: bluebutterfly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766730</link>
		<dc:creator>bluebutterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 02:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is not good. The UN Observer and International Report says that al-Zaidi is well known for his hard hitting reporting on the Americans and the Baghdad Government.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout4.php&amp;id=5468&amp;blz=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.unobserver.com/inde.....#038;blz=1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not good. The UN Observer and International Report says that al-Zaidi is well known for his hard hitting reporting on the Americans and the Baghdad Government.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.unobserver.com/index.php?pagina=layout4.php&amp;id=5468&amp;blz=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.unobserver.com/inde&#8230;..#038;blz=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Blub</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766654</link>
		<dc:creator>Blub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;speak up?  sounds like emperor no-clothes did speak up… to shutter a newspaper that dared embarass the king.  shrub wants him tortured and disappeared, I’m sure&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>speak up?  sounds like emperor no-clothes did speak up… to shutter a newspaper that dared embarass the king.  shrub wants him tortured and disappeared, I’m sure</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766642</link>
		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Which one of our goons water boarded him for that apology. Make no mistake about it these GOONS are Nuremburg flunkies and WAR CRIMINALS PERIOD ’bout had my fill of this shit.  There are no Iraq war heroes only thugs in the service of scum boy george and can you tell I’ve about had enough of America the beautiful.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which one of our goons water boarded him for that apology. Make no mistake about it these GOONS are Nuremburg flunkies and WAR CRIMINALS PERIOD ’bout had my fill of this shit.  There are no Iraq war heroes only thugs in the service of scum boy george and can you tell I’ve about had enough of America the beautiful.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766620</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The faces of the government have changed, the behaviour has not.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The faces of the government have changed, the behaviour has not.</p>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766616</link>
		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You are correct about Chimpy not being able to stand criticism.  Examples abound.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this case however, the possibility/probability that Mr. Muntader al-Zaidi has been beaten and/or tortured in some way to get him to ‘apologize’ cannot be dismissed at this point.  The refusal to produce him in open court, or let the ICRC see him is very telling.  An apology is not an apology if you have to beat it out of someone.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct about Chimpy not being able to stand criticism.  Examples abound.</p>
<p>In this case however, the possibility/probability that Mr. Muntader al-Zaidi has been beaten and/or tortured in some way to get him to ‘apologize’ cannot be dismissed at this point.  The refusal to produce him in open court, or let the ICRC see him is very telling.  An apology is not an apology if you have to beat it out of someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766596</link>
		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said Loky … it does seem that that both US and Iraqi security had a role in this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Loky … it does seem that that both US and Iraqi security had a role in this.</p>
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		<title>By: milly</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766594</link>
		<dc:creator>milly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;# 16. The last several years, it has seemed to me that everyone who criticized bush in a substantial way would say they were wrong a few days later. Is this a personal characteristic of our chimperor? Just can’t stand criticism and did he just invent another apology?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 16. The last several years, it has seemed to me that everyone who criticized bush in a substantial way would say they were wrong a few days later. Is this a personal characteristic of our chimperor? Just can’t stand criticism and did he just invent another apology?</p>
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		<title>By: lokywoky</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766592</link>
		<dc:creator>lokywoky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 01:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What disturbs me about this incident is that it was Iraqis who subdued him in the press conference when his hand was apparently injured.  Then there was some info that he was at Camp Cropper - a prison complex controlled by the US.   The US denied they had him in custody.  But then there was an announcement that he had been ‘turned over to the Iraqi government for prosecution’.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, in this instance - I am thinking that everyone’s hands are dirty and the fact that the US is trying to shut the media up about the incident to get attention off it tells me there is really something fishy about the whole affair.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I fear for him.  And his family.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What disturbs me about this incident is that it was Iraqis who subdued him in the press conference when his hand was apparently injured.  Then there was some info that he was at Camp Cropper &#8211; a prison complex controlled by the US.   The US denied they had him in custody.  But then there was an announcement that he had been ‘turned over to the Iraqi government for prosecution’.  </p>
<p>So, in this instance &#8211; I am thinking that everyone’s hands are dirty and the fact that the US is trying to shut the media up about the incident to get attention off it tells me there is really something fishy about the whole affair.</p>
<p>I fear for him.  And his family.</p>
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		<title>By: Siun</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766585</link>
		<dc:creator>Siun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Precisely - I know the family was asking that the ICRC be allowed to see him but no one has been allowed access. As his mother says in the video above, we don’t even know if he is still alive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely &#8211; I know the family was asking that the ICRC be allowed to see him but no one has been allowed access. As his mother says in the video above, we don’t even know if he is still alive.</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/19/where-is-the-shoe-guy-torture-apologies-and-censorship/#comment-1766584</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“The influence on future US economic policy in the hands of Goldman Sachs and Citigroup is alarming, as evidenced by Obama’s appointment of Geithner at the Treasury and now Gensler in a “clean up derivatives” role. They are all linked to Robert Rubin and the whole cabal that made immense fortunes through derivatives trading. And now we should believe that one of them will clean up the mess they themselves made? No, what will happen is that losses are transferrred to the public, while any links to illegal activity will be buried. the boys are taking care of their own.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…</p>
<p>“The influence on future US economic policy in the hands of Goldman Sachs and Citigroup is alarming, as evidenced by Obama’s appointment of Geithner at the Treasury and now Gensler in a “clean up derivatives” role. They are all linked to Robert Rubin and the whole cabal that made immense fortunes through derivatives trading. And now we should believe that one of them will clean up the mess they themselves made? No, what will happen is that losses are transferrred to the public, while any links to illegal activity will be buried. the boys are taking care of their own.”</p>
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