My bet is that both Shooter & W have already destroyed a large portion of their records. I figured out that they were going to do this in the summer of 04 or 05. And we have had the evidence of the trashed emails. So how could it be otherwise.

Barnicles abound.

Cheney has learned that if you assume that you have the power and act accordingly, the bozos in Washington will let you get away with it- and once everything’s shredded- it’s too fuckin late..

He operates like many CEOs-

Missing documents would imply guilt, no?

Would it work in any case? This guy is the definition of lawless and not the Cylon Lucy type!

Missing documents like… real birth certificates, thesis papers, stuff like that?

The moment he comes into office, President Obama should order the NSA and CIA to figure out how to get ahold of all files to which the public is entitled under the Presidential Records Act. They should have the hacking and surveillance technology to do it, if anybody does. All that electronic surveillance and infiltration technology shrub’s secret policemen developed to illegally spy on Americans and foreigners should be (legally) employed to secure public documents hidden in shrubco’s secure file servers. Some wiretaps on Darth’s phones would be good too… permanently.

Maybe this is why David Addington actually responded to the Capitol Hill subpoena and showed up: there are no outstanding subpoenas applicable to the Fourth Branch.

I expect a sternly worded letter from Leahy or Waxman, nothing more. Remember, Cheney still has all the NSA raw intercepts. And he uses them, of that you can be sure.

So, Darth, how SURE are you that your people will stick by you?

He may have their signatures in blood on contracts.

Here comes the Fascist State!!

Yeah. The shredding trucks parked outside his office kinda tipped me off to his document archiving plans. Then there was the mysterious fire in his file storage room. . .

Shredding Truck Was Heading to Cheney’s

I wanna know what’s in that man sized safe.

But the law carves out exceptions for personal or purely partisan records.

Well, there you go. Cheney wins.

After all, this administration has been run purely for personal and/or partison reasons.

These clowns are going to be running from their legacy for the rest of their lives. They will have a sad, pathetic fade away from this life, much like Pinochet.

The Picture of Dorian Cheney?

I wonder if he had any help from Fawn Hall. Remember her?

meg·a·lo·ma·ni·a (měg’ə-lō-mā’nē-ə, -mān’yə) n.

1. A psychopathological condition characterized by delusional fantasies of wealth, power, or omnipotence.

2. An obsession with grandiose or extravagant things or actions.

What can I say barnacles stick tightly to things. You have to understand Cheney is an American Milosevic. Even if he were standing trial at the Hague he would be bitterly contesting every point. He is so used to acting with impunity that he knows no other way.

by the way, perhaps the Star Wars/Darth Vader comparison is flawed. Darth was good at what he did, consolidating an empire and staging a successful coup d’etat and all. It was the emperor behind him who failed, ultimately. Cheney’s more like Mugabe.

Yeah. Classy lady iirc. Wasn’t she the church secretary who was doing Jim Bakker and losing/destroying documents to hide his graft? Aaaah. The innocence of the past.

Dick Cheney’s lawyers are asserting that the Vice President alone has the authority to determine which records, if any, from his tenure will be handed over to the National Archives when he leaves office in January

You mean…there are records LEFT after shredding truck?

Milosevic, Mugabe– he’s in good company.

Yep, I can see Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Steny Hoyer – that crew – going after Cheney for contempt.

Or not.

Maybe a private plaintiff could pull of something with the right timing and right judge, but the streets are littered with the bodies of people who were holding their breath, waiting for Democrats to do the right thing.

I do think a private plaintiff like Arar or the Rasul crew should be serving him, esp after his admissions to ABC, with a subpoena and should also be arguing that his participation in the OLC and DOJ solicitations to torture should kill privilege on anything that isn’t property and strictly classified (like the legal reasoning of opinions) bc, you know, if those opinions were rendered for the CIA, or Pentagon —- um, Cheney isn’t a part of those orgs and apparently isn’t a part of the Presidencey either.

Cheney claims: “I am the law!”

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._1219.html

Be sure to read the whole comment thread – plenty of EVIDENCE.

That wouldn’t surprise me, but she was Oliver North’s assistant who was furiously shredding documents during the Iran-Contra investigation.

hold it.. by this logic, can’t shrub finally ship over all the WH documents to Cheney, giving over control to the great man, and then have Cheney decide to shred them all?

Ooops. Confusing Fawn Hall of Iran Conta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawn_Hall

With Jessica Hawn of PTL Ministries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jessica_Hahn

That’s pretty much what W did with his gubernatorial documents; he shipped them all to Poppy’s library, where they are under seal to this day.

The graphic is just great. Thank goodness Cheney doesn’t sound like him.

not only this looseheadedness but check out this excellant oxdown entry

Dick Cheney has publicly confessed to ordering war crimes. Asked about waterboarding in an ABC News interview, Cheney replied, “I was aware of the program, certainly, and involved in helping get the process cleared.” He also said he still believes waterboarding was an appropriate method to use on terrorism suspects. CIA Director Michael Hayden confirmed that the agency waterboarded three Al Qaeda suspects in 2002 and 2003.
…

U.S. courts have long held that waterboarding, where water is poured into someone’s nose and mouth until he nearly drowns, constitutes torture. Our federal War Crimes Act defines torture as a war crime punishable by life imprisonment or even the death penalty if the victim dies.

…

Why is Cheney so sanguine about admitting he is a war criminal? Because he’s confident that either President Bush will preemptively pardon him or President-elect Obama won’t prosecute him.

Both of those courses of action would be illegal;

First, a president cannot immunize himself or his subordinates for committing crimes that he himself authorized.

Second, the Constitution requires President Obama to faithfully execute the laws. That means prosecuting lawbreakers.

first, what do you think of her interperatation of the pardon principles she alludes to and second, do you think obama needs take any heed

I personally believe that if obama ignores this admision from cheney he himself becomes legally complicent

Look, SOMEBODY better slap a subpoena on this mook before he shreds all the evidence of what has actually happened for the last 8 years. I don’t care who, Congress, DOJ, a Qui Tam plaintiff, somebody.

ah, it seems we forget, subpeona means nothing, they can defy subpeona with aboslutely no repurcussions

Digg this story before we have to dig through the shredded documents.

must include transcripts of his mockery of Karla Tucker, and probably the orders I’m heard he issued for condemned prisoners, on the eve of their execution, to be publicly paraded (complete with announcement of their names and crimes) in front of mocking demonstrators on the street outside their prisons. He’s not human.

Hope we never have another person like Cheney even near the presidency. He is a total dictator and all the freedoms would be gone. He managed to get rid of quite a few even as VP. The world will be a better place without him.

Now I know why Cheney calls himself a barnacle:

In the peculiar world of barnacle sex, shape matters just as much as size.

To cope with changing tides and a sedentary lifestyle, the gnarly crustaceans have evolved penises that are eight times the length of their bodies—the longest relative to body size of any animal.

He calls himself a barnacle? I didn’t realize that. I remember it from a hearing and thought it was a sarcastic reference to the 4th branch.

oh yeah, and that’s wishful thinking

Look, SOMEBODY better slap a subpoena on this mook before he shreds all the evidence of what has actually happened for the last 8 years. I don’t care who, Congress, DOJ, a Qui Tam plaintiff, somebody.

And there is a Darth toast maker for the first one to do so! (as an aside: Toaster don’t count as a quid pro quo, no?)

I think the only time that word was used was by Cohen in the exchange between himself and Addington.

Haha. That’s male fantasy trivia, eh?

Possibly related

The discovery could be interesting

“What they don’t want is for this to go into discovery,” said Gallop’s attorney, Mr. Veale, speaking to RAW STORY. “If we can make it past their initial motion to dismiss these claims, and we get the power of subpoena, then we’ve got a real shot at getting to the bottom of this. We’ve got the law on our side.”

But it’ll probably be dismissed or something

Yeah, I remember a lot of us commenting on it at the time. I can see Barnacle calling himself His Royal Highless, Ruler of Everything but not Barnacle.

Off to the lame office Xmas party. bbl.

Anyone else with me on thinking much of the records destruction already has taken place?

See my 1.

Cheney can go Cheney himself.

Back to reading.

Have fun, SD.

Yep, could be one of the reasons for fighting.

Dick Cheney is a Great American.
He proudly acknowledged that he authorized waterboarding.
Why we have most of the information we have about the structure of AQ.
I am thankful we had the right MAN in the right place at the right time.
On Jan 20 the clock starts over for BHO – Let’s hope he can keep the country as safe, and free from attack.

You are soooo funny. I caught your dig about the Obama’s at no. 6. Most of us that post here don’t support war criminals.

Hmmmmmm…this is the same guy who advised Emmanuel to “keep a tight rein on his VP”?

I can’t keep track of how many people Cheney hasn’t kept safe but you fill in the blanks and do the math:
___________________9/11 civilians
+___________________US soldiers dead in Iraq “war”
+___________________Iraqi translators for the military
+___________________Iraqi civilians
+___________________United Nation officials and employees
+___________________NGO careworkers in Iraq and Afghanistan
+___________________US soldiers in Afganistan ( including friendly fire)
+___________________Afgan civilian (guests at Afghan wedding parties)
+___________________Americans citizens in the Katrina hurricane
+___________________Americans during the FEMA response to Karla (including those in astrodome)
+___________________Journalists on assignment in Afghanistan or Iraq
Help me who did I miss?
_______________________
GRAND TOTAL

This is you? Seeing as how oCaster is on the page…

Nice try, America always has to step in and do the real work that the UN was chartered to do.
If and when BHO replaces the systems Cheney and Bush put in place after 911 let’s see what happens.
He’s already backpedaling on many of his promises to the radical left.
Interesting what a security briefing will open your eyes to. That’s why Ried an Pelosi never did anything but bellyache, even when they had numbers to do more.

Look at how much government business this White House poured through the RNC and its computers. We can expect them to claim that all those data flows are “partisan” and, hence, are outside the reach of the PRA and related judicial orders. Such arguments would be intended to obscure that the Act applies to records of governmental business regardless of who carries out that business. The bottom line for these guys is that it’s all partisan, all the time; there is no “government business” apart from partisan business.

Mr. Vice doesn’t feel obligated to follow laws the breach of which carry the death penalty, such as war crimes legislation. Why would he bother with a law the violation of which carries no penalty? Which is why court orders, etc., are necessary, to supplement that law.

Until now, the PRA’s obligations were deemed so obvious, it didn’t need teeth. I guess Congress ought to think again.

You forgot :

________________dead people from anthrax attacks in DC and NYC after 9/11
________________dead contractors from the US and many other countries
________________dead soldiers from the UK and other partners in the coalition of the willing
________________dead soldiers from suicides after multiple deployments and no mental health care for them when they come home.

Nice try, America always has to step in and do the real work that the UN was chartered to do.

Yeah, we ignore the UN mostly until we can USE it for our own nefarious purposes. We don’t pay our dues. We veto anything that might help any other country but ours. We refuse to sign on to or participate in anything that might, you know, actually help people.

We’re a real team player all right.

And you are one as well. A member of the team of the most misinformed shills making up less than 23% of the population. I’m sure you get all your info from fair and balanced Faux Snooze.

Thank you for playing.

Oh I’m misinformed?
You’ve probably been spoon fed this drivel from your professors at one of our fine Institutions of higher learning… or you’re the one holding the spoon.

Don’t forget your lovely parting gifts.

Ya got us. Us liberal democrats, we’re really a criminal atheistic cabal, controlled by al Queda using Teh Internets, Comedy Central, Teh Unions, tweedy college professors with afros, and MSNBC. All of us, every last one, coordinating in perfect secrecy. We’re lazy-sponge authoritarian followers dedicated solely to leeching money from America’s Most Virtuous, i.e. upper management and corporate owners. We believe in dragging America down and violently instituting a One World Communist Government by diluting our national Purity Of Essence through miscegenation with unchecked immigrants whom we plan to house by confiscating the houses of conservatives and republicans and churchgoers everywhere, and then turning every last one of you out to the fields to harvest our organically grown veggies.

And we would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn’t been for you medding ocaster!

Is destroying gov documents or gov property a crime?

Wasn’t the news all crazy abt a doc one of Clinton’s people took?

I actually prefer comparing Cheney to Voldermort. But the Darth thing stuck, so whatcha gonna do?

I thuink those are both good arguments that I would be very comfortable making in court. It is not settled that either of those arguments would win, no matter how much I wish they would.

I would LOVE to have a chance to make those arguments

That was snark right? In case it wasn’t–most of the information we have about the structure and persoanlled of Al Quadia, we had back in the mid-late 1990’s and it was found out by Dave Kelley and Pat Fitzgerald using regular law enforcemnt investigation techniques. Not tortutre.