By now, everyone in America knows that the Bush administration stood by and let hundreds of black Americans drown in the wake of Hurricane Katrina. But not all of Katrina's black victims drowned. Some of them were murdered.
A.C. Thompson has a long and chilling story in The Nation about racist vigilantes in New Orleans' mostly white, upscale Algiers Point neighborhood. With no police presence due to NOPD's command-and-control breakdown, a neighborhood militia used the pretense of looter prevention to declare open season on any black people they saw, wounding and killing indiscriminately, then bragging about it afterward:
Surrounded by a crowd of sunburned white Algiers Point locals at a barbecue..., [Wayne Janak] smiles and tells the camera, "It was great! It was like pheasant season in South Dakota. If it moved, you shot it." A native of Chicago, Janak also boasts of becoming a true Southerner, saying, "I am no longer a Yankee. I earned my wings." A white woman standing next to him adds, "He understands the N-word now."
(...)
....Addressing the crowd, one local praises the vigilantes for holding the neighborhood together until the Army Humvees trundled into town.... "You all know who you are," the man says. "And I'm proud of every one of you all." Cheering and applause erupts from the assembled locals.
Some of the gunmen prowling Algiers Point were out to wage a race war, says one woman.... "My uncle was very excited that it was a free-for-all--white against black--that he could participate in," says the woman. "For him, the opportunity to hunt black people was a joy."
....One of her cousins, a young man in his 20s, sent [her]... a photo in which he posed next to an African-American man who'd been fatally shot. The tone of the e-mail, she says, was "gleeful"--her cousin was happy that "they were shooting niggers."
Almost as disturbing as the fact that these men "gleefully" leaped at the opportunity to kill black people, and that their neighbors considered them heroes for it, is the fact that neither the state of Louisiana nor the Bush DOJ have shown the slightest interest in prosecuting this racist homicidal lawlessness. In fact, one of the vigilantes claims that the police told him, "If they're breaking in your property do what you gotta do and leave them on the side of the road."
In a separate story, Thompson writes about Henry Glover, a black man who was shot in the chest for no apparent reason near Algiers Point. When his brother, a friend, and a good samaritan went to the police for help, five officers pulled guns on them, handcuffed them, then beat and verbally abused them for 20 minutes while Glover bled in the back seat of the samaritan's car.
The police eventually released everyone except Glover, impounding the samaritan's car with Glover still in it. The car was then torched, probably by the police... again, with Glover still in it. The police "investigation" was a cursory whitewash.
So, to sum up: In America, in the 21st century, white people were openly hunting black people, and bragging about it. And the police and the government are uninterested at best, and complicit at worst. Man, do we still have a long way to go.
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“yeah, well sucks to your asmar, Piggy!”
Excellent post.. on such a shameful American tale, Eli.
Digg it right here, firedogs.
That was before Simon went to the School of Rock.
i knew something evil was going on underneath, but i thought it was all Blackwater. So, it was neighbors and police, too. Bush just peeled off the veneer of civilization and let all the demons out. Trying to get all this tamped down, and establishing the civilizing facade again - jeeze, it never ends.
That’s fucking sick and twisted!
I am sure bush is thrilled, we also remember bush appointed kkkarl rove to oversee new Orleans
and this is where we are
and this is what Lieberman is covering up.
Pure fucking racist evil.
Damage control has nothing to do with the natural disaster.
Wasn’t just Bush… the long and ongoing silence/complicity from Chertie to Lieberman and all of the Homeland Security committees in both the House and Senate… are now equally appalling to me.
And the coverup was pretty damn successful, since I’m pretty sure this is the first most of us are hearing about this.
Truly evil and sickening. Had not heard anything about this.
The link source will be going places with a kudo to ya for where I found it.
Kathryn must has hit on something, everyone piled on :o
New Orleans seems to epitomize the Yin and Yang of American society. In addition to all that is good about the city, there is also an evil undercurrent. Murder and mayhem figure prominently throughout it’s history.
Eli, this kind of hatred just makes your skin crawl….just to read it. Can you imagine living in the same neighborhoods as these haters? Good gawd.
One of my gamer firends went down there to help afterwards and he got PTSD about after and won’t talk about it.
Yep, let me add her name: SENATOR SUSAN COLLINS OF MAINE!
She was also fine with Halliburton & KBR raping & murdering their female employees. Collins sucks.
If these accounts are factual then there was some serious conspiracy taking place in the US government and some ones need to be prosecuted for this, as well as tracking down these vigilante racists thugs and putting them on trial for murder.
I am disgusted and appalled and I heard about Blackwater thugs, but never heard about vigilantes going “nigger hunting”.
But I suppose to imagine that this sort of virulent racism is not present in America is be in complete denial. We live in a racist society which has essentially made window dressing changes at best.
bah, left out a few ‘it’s but you get what i mean.
The post was already running long, so I didn’t include the experiences of the black residents of the neighborhood. Not pleasant.
Isn’t she one of the Republicans usually described as a “moderate?”
I have had private conversations with EMT’s brought in from upstate LA and beyond during that time.
Folks (both private citizens and officials) shot up everything… sprayed bullets in houses and cars full of people…. for sport, at best.
She sure looks cozy next to Lieberman on the DHS committee.
Is it really a surprise? Bush, Cheney, and Addington were doing this on the world stage. These racist yahoos were just following their role models. Lawlessness breeds lawlessness.
What eh F is the matter with these people? Have they no shame?
I despise the entire lot of them.
Yes we do need term limits to send the entire lot packing. Nothing could possibly be worse.
It did sound rather disturbingly reminiscent of what Blackwater and some of the troops have been doing in Iraq.
You should update the post with references.
I guess every so often there are people in the South that need to be put in their place - I, of course, mean the white supremacists.
Bingo.
It’s in the first Nation article.
The quotes totally remind me of some of the blackwater youtubes. Same fucking mindset.
k, thx.
All they need is that little veneer of excuse: “They were looters,” or “They were behind 9/11.” But really, they’re racist sociopaths who just love killing people who don’t look like them.
I’m not entirely sure they wouldn’t like killing white people too, there just aren’t as many opportunities…
No statute of limitations on most homicides, correct? How about federal civil rights violation?
more from democracy now! this morning.
too true :/
Short Ride is still Chairman of the Do-Nothing Committee. Mayhaps we can shame him into doing something now. Is that possible?
This isn’t something we’re dredging up that’s been hashed about for the last 3 years.
A native of Chicago, Janak also boasts of becoming a true Southerner, saying, “I am no longer a Yankee. I earned my wings.”
Yeah, yeah. Once a Yankee — but always a racist. Alexis de Tocqueville in his travels in America, said he saw as much racism in the north as the south. My mother was born in Normal, Ill., family moved to Florida in the 20s. She learned racism? or brought it with her. But didn’t pass it on to me. Guess I was born contrarian.
That’s correct, I think. Lots of precedents from the 60s.
another reason to not have the committee chairs named by name so fuckers like leiberliar can be removed from their chair
i sure as hell hope they don’t set it up like they did last time
Democracy Now! did a segment on it today.
perhaps we should enact legislation declaring the Reconstruction incomplete and directing it to resume in select states?
Damn. Owe ya a beverage.
This is, after all, New Orleans, Louisiana which during Reconstruction tolerated the White Leagues and encouraged violence in order to keep blacks and Union sympathizers from voting. It was the nonsense in this state that resulted in the shameful 1876 election (selection) of Rutherford B. Hayes that signaled the end of Reconstruction and the reinstatement of white terror over blacks and sympathetic whites throughout the south.
These people never were held accountable for committing treason against the United States, is it any wonder they act the way they do and expect to get away with it?
As liberal and supportive as my parents are there hints there that still make me cringe. perhaps it’s just in the wording rather than feeling. Simply enough, language can be an obstacle.
Let’s just call the south a ‘free market’ zone.
You’d hope they would evolve a *little* bit in 130 years. Guess not.
Another chunk of Moyers is on privatization….Not pretty
I love Amy’s work. She is a real treasure. I missed the broadcast this am because of distractions at work.
As a kid who’s first year of school was in Little Rocks Central High… a couple of years later when I moved to Nebraska… well let me just say the racism up north was stunning, even for the child of plantation cotton farmers.
Thanks, Eli! Most excellent!
Thing is, Algiers Point’s not the only majority-white place that turned away majority-black refugees from New Orleans proper. Cops in Gretna blockaded the bridge connecting their city to N.O. — the bridge which was the best escape route for people near the Superdome and the convention center — and kept hundreds of people from escaping.
i missed it too. saw what the topic was and have been trying to work myself up to listen to the podcast. not there yet.
The biggest argument I ever had with my dad was over his use of the n word. He never used it in my presence again. I was 16. I was also the first of my line born outside of SC since the mid 1700’s. Just one of the things that made my dad a giant.
Sure hope Obama hears about this.
Maybe he could then form a task force to investigate. To continue with his “team of Rivals” approach, Obama could have David Duke chair it.
MSM is racist, too. Look at these two photos..blacks looted food from a grocery store…while whites found food at a grocery store.
http://www.snopes.com/katrina/photos/looters.asp
Gretna was awful, but they didn’t actually shoot anybody. So far as I know (after reading these Nation stories, I’m not so sure anymore).
Corruption and racism are rampant in NO. Saw a program about it a couple of years ago and the police department is unbelievable. Total corruption and violent. I know everyone thinks that Mississippi is the most racist state but I have always believed it to be La. They are overt about it.
It’s kinda a bunker shit-hit-the-fan mentality. I met all sortsa people who are all down with bunker down and and defend. Not strictly racial either.
Nebraska…up north! From a New England Yankee that sure sounds funny.
Hey ES.
-G
I remember that. But I don’t remember noticing the peculiar phrasing in the second caption: They found food “from” a grocery store?
I’m wondering if there was originally a different word there.
Nice :)
I was once a member of a fairly large hunting club (all white men in the deep south) whose old timers used to tell a story about two of the club’s most notorious pranksters.
These two guys had decided that, after dinner, when the sun was going down, one of them would slip out and put on a wig, a dress stuffed with a pillow and black-face, and come ambling down the Camp Road screaming, “Moose, I’m carrying your baby! Moose, I’m carrying your baby!”
Right on cue, Moose jumped up and yelled, “Get me my pistol!”
Gun in hand, Moose runs out to the road, with the whole Club following close behind, and shouts, “Ni**er! I told you never to come ’round here!” Moose raises the pistol, which he had loaded with blanks beforehand, and commences to firing.
It was all supposed to be so funny, as the buddy danced around in the road, but Moose hadn’t counted on the whole Club having dumped out of the Clubhouse with their guns, too - and once Moose fired, they all opened up like it was Antietam, all over again.
Miraculously, the buddy ran for a couple of miles and only suffered cuts and bruises.
But, these are the guys we’re dealing with…
democracy now covered that one at the time: Trapped in New Orleans: Emergency Medical Worker Describes How Police Prevented Evacuation
lol! damn, now that’s cynical. I thought I was cynical but that takes the cake. lol ;)
they should identify those neighborhoods and gerrymander them into predominately black wards.
I could understand if the Algiers Point assholes were roaming around with guns and telling black people to get lost. Wouldn’t agree with it, wouldn’t approve of it, but it’s more comprehensible to me than simply shooting black people on sight.
I read the story yesterday in The Nation. What the citizens of Algiers Point did doesn’t surprise me but the fact that there has been no investigation is pure crap. If the FBI and teh DOJ are willing to look into past Civil Rights killings and prosecute the old guys who committed them now, then they should be rigt on top of this stuff right now.
Of course Joe Lairman don’t give a F*CK cuz they ain’t his.
D’oh! It’s funny but really sad at the same time.
They’ll get around to it. They still have 30 or 40 years, right?
Saw this on kos the other day. Speechless. Pure evil.
Now that this is out, there are going to have to be investigations and prosecutions. This is not something people are wiling to just accept.
But it sure is his dereliction of duty.
Police did shoot a bunch of people on the Danziger bridge, killing two and injuring about 7 more including a woman whose arm was blown off. One of the dead was a 40-year-old developmentally disabled man who was shot three times in the back. The police claim the people shot first but no one has been able to produce a single weapon. According to the victims and other witnesses they were on the bridge, the police drove up, jumped out of their vehicle and just opened fire.
It’s going to have to be Obama’s DOJ. I look forward to the racists whining about “reverse racism” by the black president and AG.
Finally, a non-Warren and non-Blago post! Why am I so reminded of this song…?
Morning ya’ll…! ;-)
Fuck.
Okay, I take it back, they’re total homocidal racist monsters, too.
The people in La will accept it. I have heard stories about the gov’t in La my entire life. It is truly astounding and nobody gets elected to anything without being part of that network. Top to bottom.
Charlie Daniels last colonoscopy revealed a brain tumor.
-G
HoJo’s thinking was probably something to effect of: instead of doing my job as head of the hs committee I’m going to use it to kiss up to shrub, cause one should never embarrass such a great leader during wartime, especially when he’s fighting the Islamiacs….
Hey if they talk funny… it’s definitely North. /s
He’ll just shit it out and develop another.
The media’s Katrina emphasis, especially from that part of the press where the conservative control is strongest, has often been on the horrific crimes committed in the wake of the storm. But what hasn’t been mentioned much, until now, is just how much of that crime was white-on-black violence — violence for which the perps have got off scot-free because no local jury would convict them.
i think that info is the reason he thinks he is untouchable. i think he uses it as an ‘or else’ to the d’s.
A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store.(black)
Two residents wade through chest deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store. (white man and woman)
Here is a Salon article on the same photos.
http://dir.salon.com/story/new.....index.html
Rectocranial. Or craniorectal, I forget.
Yeah, their favored narrative is “Look at the lawless looting black people, they’re like animals.”
I hope Eric Holder will begin an investigation of Algiers Point upon being sworn in as Attorney General. In fact, we should demand it of him. Will anyone on the Judiciary Committee ask him about this during his confirmation hearing, I wonder?
And police-on-civilian crime.
sounds kinda like what the white security police in apartheid south africa would do during civil disturbances… walk or drive around and intentionally target non-combatants, sometimes actually hunting them for sport
lol, totally off-topic but werez gnome?:
http://icanhascheezburger.file.....rpiece.jpg
Right and if your anti-right Israel your an anti-semite. Pot, meet kettle.
Right, but what I’m saying is that “finding… from” is very peculiar syntax, and it makes me wonder if it originally had a different verb (looting? stealing?) that was changed to “finding” without a corresponding change to the preposition.
Yes, and further investigations of all the so-called violence that happened in the wake of Katrina have shown that almost 90% of it was as they say, urban legend. Lies by the white m-fers trying to excuse their failure to help, justifying their non-response to bodies floating in the water for weeks, dead people just lying around on the streets and elsewhere, and the refusal to let other people who were ready and willing to help to be able to do so.
There are a lot of so-called leaders who are chickens.
Be warned…Moyers is totally depressing: Afghans.; State budgets (broke); privatization (rip offs);
And the ones who aren’t are usually evil.
NO has crazy syntax: you know, you make groceries…
Is it more depressing than this post?
At the dog and pony show?! Give me some of that!
Ah. Right.
chicken isn’t exacly the word that come to my mind.
Maybe it’s really depressing in the combination…bad.
Eli, this is probably the worst thing to happen in this country in living memory.
Thank you for highlighting the information.
Even more sadly, it’s probably not. But it’s up there.
I think I understand you this time…I suspect that word was just an attempt to portray the black man as stealing and the white couple as finding. The food came from a store and the lucky couple found it. A white couple would not steal would they? Yup, they found dry bread floating on water…not.
That is why it sounds weird and doesn’t make sense. The author just threw in the word ‘found’ to justify the whites having food. No proof reading done, obviously.
he’s scum, but only partly to blame here. Any number of other committees including Judiciary could’ve forced referral of Katrina investigations after JoLie had clearly indicated he ended to let them languish in oblivion. For whatever reason they sensed no urgency and let the Vanity Party Senator get away with his obstructionism.
Has anyone assembled an estimated total murders during the NO quarantine period?
Oh yeah, I understand the juxtaposition, I was just wondering if there was something going on behind the scenes.
If you think it’s bad now, completing Reconstruction would have even more blowback.
Just as the Cia’s ~success~ in Iran in 1953 produced a reaction, thus did Reconstruction. One of the accounts of the time I read, along the lines of black councilmen (pretty sure it was NOLA) complained, “Them carpetbaggers are stealing more than we do.”
Looting of southern state treasuries was par for the course. And we’re still paying the price.
oh I know… that was just snark. ’sides, something is to be said about gratuitous vengeance ;-P
You managed to do fine in the depressing department.
But this need to be out there. Katrina vanden Heuvel is at HuffPo:
Will There Be Justice in New Orleans?
good point. (and very sad for what it once again says about the 110th congress)
Rectocranial oculosis is one condition I’ve heard of — where the optic nerve gets crossed with the anus and gives you a shitty outlook on life.
lamo
I don’t know if I can take much more of this country
I laughed so hard I hurt myself….I am not going to ask the obvious question.
I really think we should give the 110th a name for posterity: The Do-Nothing Congress maybe, or Reid’s Rump
Come on snarkly! We’re relying on you!
especially personally galling because of all the time i spent phone banking, etc. for the dems in general. hadn’t done that before and don’t expect to again. individual candidates only, and probably rarely, from now on.
Pelosi’s postmark?
OTOH, FAIL! works just fine.
Kudos to Jerry Brown…
Asshats…! 8-(
However, They sure didn’t wait…
like the idea of a name, but not “do-nothing” as they did a lot: took impeachment and real oversight off the table, gave the telcos immunity, condemned moveon over an ad. gave bushco lots of blank checks for war, including an escalation….
*sigh* I’m still groggy…!
What is Starr’s perverse interest? How shocking.
I would have been shocked if the Prop 8 assholes *hadn’t* immediately tried to nullify all the existing gay marriages. I assumed that was part of the objective. And it’s a horrible, shitty, cruel thing to do.
Although they claimed throughout the campaign that they would never do such a thing. Just another lie, like all their other lies, that they told in order to get fair-minded people to vote with them.
What if like your totally gay but not the same sex?
Why must fair-minded people be so gullible?
For those of you who follow Mumia Abu-Jamal’s case, he filed his appeal to the Supreme Court today.
http://www.opednews.com/maxwri.....?did=11247
You’ll have to ask Crist about that…! ;-)
I’ll bet those people were really devout Christians, too… see how homeschooling and churchin’ and good ole’ small-town values can make people moral and ethical?
Pardon me while I go vomit. This story makes me dizzy.
I say we get a Prop on the next ballot that makes adultery a capital offense and criminalizes divorce. That’ll get the attention of the fucking breeders *and* the fucking fundies!
or “Come by me.”
or “Pass by ma house.”
or “Do you want that sandwich dressed?”
Thanks…ain’t it the truth?
You welcome, dawlin’.
WWJS?
Who Would Jesus Shoot?
Just read the Amy Goodman transcript. Hard to avoid the conclusion that the bodies may have been left out in the semitropical heat — and burned in at least one case — to destroy the evidence of the murders.
While you certainly have a worthwhile story to tell, your opening - “By now, everyone in America knows that the Bush administration stood by and let hundreds of black Americans drown in the wake of Hurricane Katrina” - is SO over the top that I wouldn’t even have read the article if I hadn’t been signaled to do so by the comments.
Listen. That didn’t happen. Almost everybody who drowned did so the first day, while the water was rising - of course - and there was almost nothing that the federal government, or anybody else, could have done about that. Further, the flooding resulted from levy failures that were not predicted to occur with a storm of Katrina’s magnitude and location, so any idea of pre-positioning relief forces is an indulgence in 20-20 hindsight.
Bush deserves 31 rich flavors of hell for his laconic response to this disaster, but that doesn’t justify indulging in flagrant untruths to make it sound worse than it actually was.
how can it sound “worse” than it actually was?
Without endorsing the remainder of your thesis, might wanna check in with Harry Shearer and the Army Corps of Engineers w/r/t the predictability of the levee failures.
Just because the corp told the dudes in charge of New Orleans that the levees were solid never made it true.
and another thing = there was hinky stuff going on with the morgue - Blackwater or somebody was cremating uncounted deceased. I thought it was so the number of deaths did not equal or pass the number of dead from 9/11. That would not look good. But it may have been to cover up these murders.
But the coroner was a responsible person. He tried his damnedest to get things clean.
Blackwater, yuk.
I heard that unknown people were patrolling my parents’ neighborhood a few days after the storm.
I knew then it had to be blackwater. fuckery.
You guys are getting into exactly the kind of hindsight I was talking about on the levees. Bush didn’t know the levees weren’t well-maintained before they, and there could be no realistic expectation that he should’ve known.
As for how one can make it sound worse than it was, well, try lying about it in a way to make it sound like intentional murder.
Bush was guilty of what he was guilty of his entire presidency, which was not giving a damn about his job and lacking the intellectual curiosity to discover what was needed to be done. Major relief efforts should’ve arrived in New Orleans some 48-72 hours before they actually did, and that is a failure that at least verges on criminal and is 100% Bush’s fault.
That doesn’t make it Bush’s fault that all these people drowned. I don’t believe that a good President would have prevented those drownings: there was no realistic, non-hindsight-based way to do so.
Also in the past couple days I read reportage that many drug gangs holed up with weapons, stayed behind when ordinary folks evacuated, and law enforcement took advantage of the opportunity by shooting most or all of them dead, leaving them there where they fell, and just plain burning the houses down. That would be conspiracy, murder, obstruction, destruction of evidence, color of law, and ten or twenty other offenses all rolled into one.
In America.
Supporting facts, citations, etc. please?
Besides Bush’s unconcern, i bet Cheney was testing the efficacy of Blackwater in crowd control or suppression or martial law or something only his lizard brain could think of.
Bush cut the funding to support and repair the levees in 2001. Bush knew. That is intentional murder just as lying to get us into war is intentional murder.
And his buddies in the oil industry bare much of the responsibility for the wetland erosion. This is the reason that New Orleans flooded. That and the Ms Rive Gulf Outlet that the shipping and oil industry lobbied to build. Sucked the water right into New Orleans.
Many, many people warned that what happened would happen. If you want documentation I can give it to you.
And another thing (i’m getting riled, here)
All those people hauled away in busses to places unknown and dumped (some in stockade-like camps) with no plans for return; instant gentrification of NOLA?
Let us not forget the delay was blamed at the time on lack of cooperation of the LA state gov’t, which we later learned meant in large part that DHS and the Bush Admin were holding all Federal aid hostage until and unless Gov. Blanco declared Martial Law — an unnecessary step under the Katrina circumstances, but one which would have unleashed many major Executive Branch powers that they deeply craved. She refused to do so, and all Americans owe her our gratitude for that.
Many of those black people are in Oakland. During the second world war many black New Orleanians moved to the bay area. Their families live mostly in Oakland and many Katrina refugees are now with them.
Yes, there were good people there whose anguish just broke my heart.
I’m getting riled too, Kathryn in MA. I want accountability for this treasonous fuckery.
i’m glad to hear people are finding good places to live. i’ve been haunted by the cold-bloodedness of it all.
east oakland is very dangerous. Better than the ninth ward in it’s present state though.
Where is that Trickster person? I want to talk to him some more.
Thank you all for holding vigil. bedtime for me, and i’ll sleep a little better for your comforting presence.
I live in Oakland, though not East Oakland, and for whatever it’s worth I’m not aware that we have a particularly higher than average NOLA refugee population here. But thanks Kathryn in MA for thinking Oakland’s a good place to live. I sure think so.
one more comment before i go - i just fry every time Bush says he has kept us safe. The destruction of NOLA says he is a liar.
Sweet dreams to ye.
Night-night, sweet pups.
Really. It is true.
an aside:
I worked at Mt. Zion Hospital in SF during the mid 70’s in the security department. Most of the security force was from the neighborhood and black. They had last names like LaRue and LaBlanc. Very New Orleans sir names. I asked them about it and they told me the story of their grandparents moving from New Orleans to the bay area.
I am looking for more info on the Katrina population in Oakland. My daughter lives in Berkeley and she says there are a fair amount of refugees there.
Here is an article from the Oakland Tribune about the ties between Oakland and New Orleans.
http://findarticles.com/p/arti....._n15810629
Thanks marymccurnin!
P.S. I should have been more clear — I know there have always been a lot of ex-NOLA way pre-Katrina folks here, what I meant was that I’m not aware of post-Katrina NOLA refugees here in large numbers. But I don’t get into Berkeley that often, so your daughter and I may not be seeing the same thing. Thanks again for the article.
I hadn’t heard about that before.
Sad.
Right after New Orleans flooded, Condi was shopping for shoes while blacks were being murdered and abandoned in New Orleans. Not a peep from Condi at that time.
And not a peep from Condi now about any of this Katrina postmortem.
Protection against “Tyranny of the Majority” is a fundamental US Constitutional principle. It is why:
* the Senate exists
* the Government can not establish a religion
* it takes agreement of 3/4 of the states - better than a super majority, to amend the US Constitution
* Blacks were given full voting status and women were given the right to vote
* its explicitly illegal in most situations to discriminate based on race, religion, or gender.
Now all we have to do is add sexual orientation to the list of illegal causes of discrimination - something that would be completely consistent with the Constitutional concept of protecting minorities from the tyranny of the majority, whereas the opposite, e.g., proposition 8 is contrary to the Constitution.
What Jerry Brown is attempting IS protecting and adhering to the Constitution. What a simple majority of California voters did by passing proposition 8, is NOT.
In case you come back, there had been major reportage on the inadequacy of the levees; there had also been a lawsuit when one of the contractors wanted to quit building because it was apparent that the specifications were not adequate in the constuction. Could he say Katrina? No. Were the risks and dangers and even sloppy work known? You betcha.
I’m not at all saying nobody, anywhere knew there was reason to be concerned about the integrity of the levees, I’m saying that the official word was that the levees were good to withstand a storm of that strength in that location, and that’s what would’ve been reported to the President. It’s, again, fabulously keen-visioned hindsight to posit that the President should or even could have known about the concerns a few individuals had over some levees in a Southern state before those levees actually failed.
You serve your cause poorly when you support it with over-the-top falsehoods. Maybe it stokes up those who are already most firmly on your side, but undecided folks are turned off by your statements and turned away from your positions.
It saddens me to see that not one single person in this long thread, before I jumped in, had said a word about the article’s opening sentence, which is not only badly inaccurate but badly inaccurate in a very personal way and in a way that goes against our common value of innocence until guilt is proven. Not only is it not “proven” that Bush “stood by and let hundreds of black people drown,” there is not even any evidence for that, and it is almost certainly false. Yet when I point it out, all that happens is that people attack me - although not by really taking on what I say, but rather by pointing out irrelevancies such as other individuals expressing earlier worries about the levees, etc., or Bush making a policy choice to de-fund ACE programs. Those arguments bear no weight at all in terms of showing that Bush knew people were drowning and purposefully allowed it to happen.
Bush truly committed hundreds if not thousands of terrible misdeeds during his Presidency, and his response to Katrina was just God-awful. Attack him with the truth and you will hurt him. Attack him with lies and you help him by building sympathy for him, while hurting your own cause.