Good morning, BT and earlybird firepups! I have a question about Obama and his big tent, disagreeing without being disagreeable, etc. If we can have Rick Warren at the inauguration, where is the seat at the table for Richard Dawkins?

Warren must have a funny definition of “civility” when he likens gays to incesters & pederasts, and advocates assassination of leaders of countries.

Well, exactly. Warren represents a fairly large and powerful voting bloc in this country. Holding him up as some sort of proof that you’re being inclusive is a little lame.

Who the hell is the idiot with Jane? I gotta start watching some TeeVee…. I am so out of touch

OK. I’ve got to haul in a cut up dead tree from the field before the snow hits. I might need to use it before the spring arrives and need to get it into the wood shed & covered up. BBL.

Rick Sanchez. I actually remember when he was local in Miami.

And his qualifications are…?

Rick Sanchez: “Now that a large majority of the nation has rejected Republican bullshit I feel safe grandstanding about a few issues. I am not a brave man.”

My only wish for Xmas. No more Warren threads, please.

Actually Sanchez has done some decent stuff that no one else on MSM would touch. Reads a lot of twitter etc as it comes in. CNN 3: EST

Why do cable news anchors/hosts have such exaggerated facial expressions? Where did they learn this? Bad sitcom school?

plucked right out of the soap operas.

Just how do two people getting married who are of age and are in love harm society? Sorry Rick just because Gay people get accepted does not mean that my desire for women and who knows maybe even marriage someday is threatened.
I do wonder about you though:)

Rick where where you when I was working 7 days a week no paid holidays, no overtime, no sickdays, healthcare much LESS HAVING THE SABBATH OFF!
Shouldn’t you focus on getting the 10 commandments obeyed first?

Rick if you get your way on Gays being banned in accordance with the Bible are you going to bring back slavery next?

Nonexistent. :-((( And calling him an “idiot” is being polite.

Mike @ 10 -

If by “twitter” you mean viewer comments, it’d be reeeeeeally nice if they covered news vs. what the viewing public wants to bloviate about. ymmv ;-)

I love it when the FBI and other law enforcement related agencies bilk the taxpayers.

The Capt Kirk School of Over Acting? Silent Film stars were less physically dramatic and they had no sound so they had to be!
And in all Fairness to Capt Kirk he is a better actor than they could hope to be. I guess TV Anchors are recruited from the Failures at the Capt Kirk acting school.

If by “twitter” you mean viewer comments, it’d be reeeeeeally nice if they covered news vs. what the viewing public wants to bloviate about. ymmv ;-)

Aint that the bloody truth. Talk radio comes to TeeVee. Seems like that sort of thing should be confined to “your local cable channel”

Doesn’t that one fray your very last nerve? Spit! and double spit!

Fundies like Rick Warren have a long tradition of hate. Witch trials, genocide re. native americans, without someone to hate they have no reason to exist.

Contributes absolutely nothing other than a greater inclination to reduce anything and everything to sound bites.

I know what you mean. I think we’ve covered pert near every aspect. I’m still trying to get my head around being inclusive means including people who are against being inclusive. I guess so, but I think I’d break in favor of including voices we haven’t heard from…or been force fed for the past 8 years.

Take note of Obama’s choice for Labor Secretary. Obama has been a grave disappointment time and again, so don’t miss this opportunity to be cheered at this one specific, excellent and very important choice.

and ain’t it just peachy that they are about to be validated on the biggest world stage of all time?

Gosh and golly.

Funny that the stories of the death of a guy whose morals led to the fall of Nixon and the bilking of the taxpayers by the agency the moral guy worked for are both on the front page (online) of WaPo. Not too ironic.

two excellent choices out of how many? (the other, in my opinion, is Chu)

sock and awe

teh shoe throwing flash game

Like I said to Raven yesterday, how can I say I’m tolerant if I can’t tolerate intolerant motherfuckers.

I am sure there are plenty of Securalists that would be happy to be in on the inauguration. Less of these god heads and more realist thinkers I say.

Ditto on the Caroline Kennedy rants…it’s all been said, I think

How about Shinseki?

To people who are more up on this than me: You think there will be a winner declared in the MN race before Xmas?

I got 5

Agreed. I notice that Krauthammerhead has a column in WaPo this morning about Caroline.

I remember Chuck Todd when he was paired up with Steve Mercurio at Hotline… Those were the days…! /s

That’s the best I’ve been able to do on that silly thing. Good sound effects, though.

I said that in the last thread this a.m.. I even said please 3 twice. Again, please. No mo’ Warren

“…they have no reason to exist…”

And this is a problem, how?

I probably do not qualify…but I think Ive heard the count resolution may be finished, but then there can be court challenges. SO? Who knows? Does that help? And, I could be wrong. ;)

Read an article yesterday that said they intend to wrap it up by this afternoon, no matter how long they have to stay. You now have the last, best word. *g*

Morning! Holiday planning and company has kept me busy. From the comments, it seems as though. I should stay away from the Warren blog.

Amen, sister, amen!

I heard last evening that all they have left is the challenged ballots. Coleman was up by a whopping 2 votes. One’s all it takes, though.

Catch-22? ;-)

Should I read it?

And, thanks, Barbara. Don’t have to be an expert to have an opinion, dontcha’ know?

If yer smart. I’d have never thought that a couple of trolls could push the comments over 700. I am so glad I didn’t get involved in that mess. I was off reading 100 year old scifi, The Princess of Mars.

I think it depends on how much money ol’ Norm has for paying lawyers and whether he wants to spend it on recount challenges or a defense lawyer. Please forgive me for linking to Faux News, but this one covers it pretty well.

You betcha. How ya doin’, bro?

It occurs to me that the Kennedy and Warren stuff is providing Current Occupant terrific cover for whatever current wickedness he is perpetrating aginst America, its allies, its enemies, its principles, its people, its policies, its Constitution et al.

I didn’t. Can’t stand him.

Perfect…We’re having tacos brunch this morning, so I’m off to the office. Y’all keep up the fun ;)

If you wanna see a troll-fest in all it’s finery and fury, it’s a must read, otherwise avoid it like the plague…! Is that helpful…? ;-)

Yeah. I just meant before the lawsuits start. Shoulda made that clear. No problem linking to FOX. i watch a bit. Make me laufg sometimes. makes my blood berl others. Thanks for the link.

Any idea how many more of the challenged ballots that they have to go through. I did read that the state supreme court said that they have to have a plan to sort through the absentee by 12/31.

Congratulations are in order, Jane, for your “Clean” website, “Firelakedog”.

At least Jane was able to give clear, coherent answers before he would cut her off and try to show how he was thinking so much better than she was. He never actually responded to anything that she said. It is good to see that more liberal spokespeople are getting heard now. Too bad it couldn’t have happened about seven years ago.

I think with the exception of screwing the auto industry, ergo the economy, he’s pretty much shot his wad. Anything else he does can be overturned by Congress.

I’ll pass, thanks!

My 54 was for rxbusa @ 48. The reply thing didn’t work.

I’ve got one more hour shift ahead of me and then I’m headed down the mtn and into the arms of morpheus…! ;-)

I heard a figure but it went in one ear and out the other.

Just got an email from Andy Barr of Franken’s campaign, which said in part:

We’ve said all along that as the thousands of ballot challenges made by each campaign are reviewed by the state canvassing board, the publicly reported margin would narrow. And, sure enough, by the end of the day yesterday, the Associated Press reported that Norm Coleman’s “lead” was down to just two (2) votes.

In fact, the AP and the Star Tribune have both projected that Al Franken will gain significantly more votes, taking the lead at the end of the challenge review process.

We got another piece of good news yesterday when the state Supreme Court ruled that improperly rejected absentee ballots should be counted. The Coleman campaign had sued to disenfranchise these Minnesotans who did everything right and cast lawful ballots, but we stood up and fought for them.

Per Jane Smiley at HuffPo:

[…]
Rick Warren gets a free ride, tax-wise, from me, because his political action committee is disguised as a “church”. That’s bad enough, and I plan to work hard to take away his free ride, but what’s worse is that Joe Biden is asking me again and again for a donation so that he and Barack Obama can give Rick Warren, hate-monger, a platform. Joe, I’ve watched the transition and I’ve held my tongue and given you guys a chance to show your true colors. But don’t ask me for any more money until you figure out that Rick Warren hasn’t been buttering your bread. People like me have been doing that, and we are getting a little ticked off.

Clean website. He’s obviously never taken the time to read it. *g*

omg! Is that Edgar Rice Burroughs? That was one of my faves as an adolescent! Did you read the ones about the planet that was hollow and people lived on the inside and the outside. I’ve been trying to remember the name of it and can’t find it.

Does it make me a bad person when I shouted “Good riddance” to my radio when NPR announced Paul Weyrich died?

probably an OK one, but not the same excitement factor of the other 2—only my opinion, of course.

LOL! He missed the real nomenclature; Foul-Mouthed Feminist blog…!

Yeah, she didn’t really give him a chance to be an asshat. Firelakedog. Idiot.

Per MPR:

Democrat Al Franken’s campaign gets to see any wrongly rejected absentee ballots counted. Meanwhile Republican Norm Coleman’s campaign gets its wish of setting a uniform process to identify those ballots.

And that’s where things get tricky. The court said Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, local elections officials and the two campaigns need to come up with that process.

“I expect us to get to this pretty quickly,” said Ritchie.

Ritchie said he’s confident that the campaigns can agree on a process, especially because there are only four legal reasons for an absentee ballot to be rejected. He said anything that falls outside of those four reasons should be counted.

“If somebody’s going to vote and they want to make some kind of a statement of some sort, they may not get their vote counted.”
- Ramsey County Judge Kathleen Gearin, Canvassing Board memberBut time is also a factor. Local election officials will have to sort and count as many as 1,600 wrongly rejected ballots after an agreement is reached. They will then have to issue a report to the State Canvassing Board with new vote totals by December 31, and the State Canvassing Board could have to resolve additional challenges from both campaigns.

Ritchie said it’s possible the process will drag into the new year.

I heard this morning on NPR that w and his cohort are now in the “orderly bankruptcy” column. Will Obama try to make a push to save those millions of jobs (the latest I heard is that he is going to CREATE or SAVE 2.5 million jobs); this would be an excellent place to start.

Yup. the cover page article about Shrub’s speech at the American Enterprise Institute is a real jaw whomper, too. He’s going around spewing the most magnificent bullshit and the only people I’ve seen challenging him are KO and Rachel (and here, of course when we are not going off about the…erm… items we don’t want to discuss anymore)

Well, you and I are on the same path, just different lanes. *g*

Oh man I have the whole MArs series except for #11 which I am still trying to find. ERB had an amazing mind.

Yep. I’ve always enjoyed the John Carter series. The series you’re thinking of is Pellucidar.

Prez up on CSPAN
auto loans

Chimpy is on live tv yapping about the auto bailout…

shrub on live wrt auto industry situation

I think Jane missed a great counter-point when this yahoo was trying to compare Warren with the Iranian president or Hugo Chavez. I’m sure people would be upset if either of those to leaders were invited to speak at the inauguration.

Talking to those with whom you disagree is not the same thing as inviting them to lead off your inauguration. There’s no hypocrisy there at all and it speaks to the sad state of journalism that the interviewer is oblivious to that fact.

The problem is that they continue to exist.

“Ordinarily I would say that this is the price that failed companies have to pay.”

Yeah, you should know all about failed companies, Chimpy.

Seems to make sense that Obama should try to save these 3 million jobs and add another three million jobs in infrastructure, wind, solar and school repair when he takes office. Could it be that Obama was referring to 3 million non-union jobs to replace the three million we stand ready to lose?

The Bush term is not over. If the UAW goes asunder, its on Dubya.

I used to have them all but they were damaged in a small trailer fire. I’m working on getting them all again. Really fun reading.

Well, I was wondering whether the impending lawsuit about “a friend…illegally funneling money” would end up affecting his ability to contest the recount. Hope so.

Elliott & twolf -

Drinks all around.

twolf – that pic of rove you did was a thing of great…………….words fail. *G*

It seems pretty obvious that obwankanobi will produce the money that the autos want so why the hell can’t they borrow on that promise? Rushing into bankruptcy is only trying to kill the unions (says he , stating the obvious).

“… and a brief winda(sic) is(sic) which to do it”.

Good one, Chimpy.

I’ll be right there, just got to get my shoes.

Just be thankful you didn’t see the full-size version :)

Liveblogging: President Bush Talks Autos
emptywheel

Are we seeing a case of early onset Alzheimer’s?

Contrasted with Dubya’s personal winda’s o’ opportunity, which wuz left wide open all the time.

Waders would be more appropriate

Hard to throw waders.

Alcohol dementia

That will certainly do it. Saw many a case at VA. Sad.

Prez…chimpy…shrub…trifecta!!

Wouldn’t shit kickers be the most appropriate?

Is there a Constitutional lawyer in the house who can spell non sequitur?