Not nearly enough. How about a shoe storm? I’m ready to throw mine at him.

Did any of the TradMed ask Obama about Warren’s call for foreign leaders to be assassinated? Or ask him if he is aware of other asnine statements by Rick Warren?

Not surprising. He really believes that consensus malarky he picked up at
Harvard. Why not invite Blago just to make the tent larger?

What is the difference between…”blacks can’t use this water fountain”…and ”Marriage is only okay for a man and a woman to a man and a woman”. The water fountain and marriage. The fountain doesn’t care and marriage doesn’t care, so what is the problem with these people?

Bigoted moron human subjective stupidity.

I understand that Obama also said we can disagree without being disagreeable. That again misses the point. There is nothing disagreeable about only including people in your Inauguration ceremony whom you truly respect. Does he respect this man? In spite of the hateful comments he has regularly made? Makes you wonder. As Hilary Rosen said, there may be room for a policy discussion, but the Inauguration ceremony is not the place for that.

Rick Warren and those who believe what he believes are prejudiced people, period.

I guess his strategy is you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.

We’ve seen the Dems get burned so many times by the right. Will the Republicans soften? Not likely.

- Tom

If it is such a large tent, why is there no place in it for progressives, you know those people who have been right on the big issues for most of the last 8 years?

Booman gets it:

I don’t care about the politics of it, which may be beneficial to Obama’s legislative goals; I care that inviting gay-bashing preacherman Rick Warren to do the inauguration invocation is gratuitous and mean-spirited. This decision is a needless insult to every gay person in the country and to all those that support gay rights. Obama will be roundly and loudly criticized for this decision, and rightly so. He should listen to what so many of his supporters will be saying about this. Obama says he values those with the ability to listen. If he hears, he will reverse this decision and apologize for hurting good people for no good reason.

My bold. How much more divisive does he want to get than this?

The president-elect stressed that he is a “fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans…”
—–
No, he isn’t. He is opposed to marriage equality. Memo to media: Please do your damn job.

and those people who anted up both time and money to get this man elected. (Though I’m not one of them—I worried about this kind of thing happening and didn’t want to support it.)

New RULES! Medical folks get to do what agrees with their conscience. Bush is so fucked. DailyKos.

one definition of insanity—doing the same thing the same way over and over again expecting different results.

If we think the media is going to do it’s job, we are insane. They are going to hound him endlessly, yes, but not about things that matter.

So…who the hell suggested to Obama that Rick Warren would be the right person????

Obama’s comment:

Let me start by talking about my own views. I think that it is no secret that I am a fierce advocate for equality for gay and lesbian Americans. It is something that I have been consistent on and something that I intend to continue to be consistent on during my presidency. What I’ve also said is that it is important for America to come together, even though we may have disagreements on certain social issues, and I would note that a couple of years ago, I was invited to Rick Warren’s church to speak despite his awareness that I held views that were entirely contrary to his when it came to gay and lesbian rights, when it came to issues like abortion. Nevertheless I had an opportunity to speak, and that dialogue I think is part of what my campaign’s been all about, that we’re not going to agree on every single issue, but what we have to do is to be able to create an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable, and then focus on those things that we hold in common as Americans.

Does that mean that if they find Bush or Cheney run over on a road, they can appeal to their consciences and just move along?

No, I know. So are we counting on Obama to overturn that one on Jan. 21? I wouldn’t hold my breath if he looks to Rick Warren for counsel.

There is nothing disagreeable about only including people in your Inauguration ceremony whom you truly respect. Does he respect this man?

I’m 100 percent certain if asked, Obama would say he respects Warren. Obama himself says he wants “equality” but has also stated that he does not support same sex marriage.

People can (and will) argue about the sanctity of marriage but Warren’s bigotry goes so far beyond that. He thinks homosexuality is an abomination to be eradicated or cured. To put it simply, he is a hater. The fact that Obama apparently doesn’t perceive that is troubling.

Obama made that choice himself.

Wide variety of viewpoints? Fine by me. Let’s see Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire speaking at the inauguration too then.

I hate to say it, but the more I see of Obama’s picks and choices the more I think his only strategy is appeasement. He seems to so desperately want everyone to like him that it will wind up that no ones does.

He just gave everyone the message, at the very least, that separation of church and state will NOT be upheld on his watch. The rest is self evident

”Mr. Obama said the inauguration would include people with a wide variety of viewpoints represented and ”that’s how it should be.”

Excellent! So will he include a Nazi to go along with Elie Wiesel? And the Grand Wizard of the KKK to go along with the head of the NAACP? I sure hope so, ’cause I want to be really really inclusive of every hate group on the planet : ) Oh, and I want to yell FIRE in a crowded theater, too! ’Cause that’s free speech, yessirree! (/s)

THAT would be choice!

So let me see if I understand the sentiment being expressed here…we fight divisiveness with more divisiveness?

does anyone have ANYTHING new to say about this or are you just going to keep playing ”I have even more incredibly brilliant things to say” over and over and over and. . . .

OT Hilda Solis to be Labor pick
http://www.google.com/hostedne.....wD95599O80

There is a pattern to Obama’s invitation to Warren. It was needless. Neither FISA nor the $700 billion bailout had to go down the way they did. Neither did the big wet kiss to Lieberman. All of these could have been handled in different and more effective ways, but Obama decided to do them precisely the way they were done.

When Obama doesn’t want to wait around until he’s President, he doesn’t. When he wants to act, he does, and he does precisely what he wants.

1,860 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Blue Texan and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Unfortunately, Obama is now in the box he wanted to put Rev Warren in and Warren has no choice to go off like a geyser of hate and distract from the message Obama’s tryin ta send with the inauguration…I don’t believe Warren is so stupid as to not realize that if he gives an invocation to reason and tolerance he then triangulates a good chunck of his evangelical followin’ out of the Reichwing movement and deflates his political influence.

But Obama’s a lot smarter’n most of us and I for one have been wrong before so have a merry fuckin’ Christmas and…

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE STRUGGLE GOES ON AND ON AND…

Don’t look at me, I get stuck in a “lather, rinse, repeat” loop every time I use shampoo.

I don’t think we are divided about this.

As many of you know I’ve been a big supporter of Obama…but his failure to include any QUALIFIED progressives of vision on his Cabinet, as well as his placement of Rick Warren ata seat of HONOR at his inaugeration is more than disappointing. One can have dialogue without bringing a man to a major role at the opening of the new term of governance.

I’m beginning to wonder if Obama is one of those who believe that “equal time” is appropriate for teaching Evolution and Creation in the public schools because that is “dialogue”? Mr. Obama needs to realize that in some things…the dialogue must happen in times and places appropriate for dialogue…and allowing a Minister with Warren’s non-inclusive views to give the Invocation at this illustrious event, giving him the broadest stage possible…a WORLDWIDE STAGE…is NOT the appropriate forum. Remember that Mr. Obama was invited to a Q&A at Saddleback, he wasn’t given the opportunity to Sermonize before the church.

Why a man who mobilized his church members to oppose allowing the legally determined rights of gay and lesbians to marry is allowed to take such a prominent role is befuddling. Obama hasn’t just reach out accross the aisle, he’s crossed it to sit in the pews on the other side.

Here’s an idea for the religulous: Don’t ASK whether two gay or lesbians are married, and no one will TELL you. Then you can pretend you’re still living in the 1950s and the rest of the world will happily ignore you.

I hope an angry chorus of BOOOOOOS greets Warren as he takes the stage for the Invocation, and drowns out his pious words!

I realize this will be taken as the height of rudeness by many people, but since I doubt whether O will back down on this, it’s the only way to let Obama and Rick know how UNHAPPY and DISAPPOINTED many of us in his base are with him over this unholy choice!

I can’t be there, but I hope those who will be there will let Obama know how they feel about this pandering choice!

Elisabeth Hasselbeck thinks Warren is a “great choice.” I’m sold.

Wow, we’re getting real change here. What next, is Obama going to ditch Biden and nominate Dick Cheney as his V.P.?

Hugh summed it up best above at #8:

If it is such a large tent, why is there no place in it for progressives, you know those people who have been right on the big issues for most of the last 8 years?

Why is it that his “inclusiveness” is only for those right-of-center?

does anyone have ANYTHING new to say about this or are you just going to keep playing ”I have even more incredibly brilliant things to say” over and over and over and. . . .

That’s right because Obama validating a bigoted homophobe really isn’t news, is it?

I don’t think that Obama can say anything that will improve this situation. He thinks that by having Rev Rick on the podium, snakehandlers everywhere will say “Well if Rev. Rick can stand him, guess I can too”

I have no idea if it’s likely to work.

For crazyaces and his stupid comment about “fighting divisiveness with more divisiveness”! A great comment from another blog…

“The tolerance Obama is asking for, in other words, is not from Warren. It’s from the LGBT community, and women. He is asking them to be tolerant of Warren’s intolerance. It’s a cruel play, framed to marginalize the legitimate anger of those who Warren harms and discriminates against.”

I think he is showing us all who he really is and telling the left wing of the country—those of us who have fought for reporductive choice, for GBLT rights, for those nasty issues that have financially supported the right wing for decades— to go Cheney ourselves.

I wonder where Michele is on all of this.

not to you it isn’t

Say what you want about the 1950s but I’m pretty confident if the Detroit automakers started marketing their ’50s lineup again they could be profitable.

Obama became President against seemingly insurmountable odds. He won in a landslide. Perhaps he knows what he’s doing?

Why is it that his “inclusiveness” is only for those right-of-center?

Because that’s the bipartisanRepublican way ; )

You can’t be serious? Firedog Lake has all the answers.

Snake handlers always get bit sooner or later. This snake will bite Obama—actually already has. How many bites does it take before it is fatal?

Why didn’t he invite little Adolph Hitler? First, the poor thing can’t get a cake with his name on it, now THIS!

Obama: an atmosphere where we can disagree without being disagreeable

Well, since it’s not being disagreeable to equate GLBT folks with pedophiles, bestialists, and the incestuous, or to say that atheists like me deserve eternal suffering, then surely I’m not being disagreeable by noting the equivalence of Rick Warren and his fundagelical whackaloons with other extremist violent clerics like St. Thomas of Aquinas and Osama bin Laden, right? Agreeableness sure is refreshing!

I don’t know if this is political poison or not…my guess is “not” but we’ll see.

Arnold Schwarzenegger will probably be there… next best thing.

My dad bought a 53 Mercury new. 2 door, black over a hideous orange. I learned to drive in a Willys sedan and the first time I drove the Merc it was like driving a tank. And the steering wheels on those things were huge.

Well, just as predicted, the far right Bible thumpers ain’t happy about warren’s inclusion either:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.c.....016112.php

Now might be a good time to send a great big, “We told you so!” over to that famous website of o’s. Don’t anybody hold your breath that *this* will get any attention from corrupt media; they’re having too much fun with the “liberals are pissed off” meme.

Water and doughnuts. Feh.

Not only is Pastor Rick™ against all LGBT rights.

He is ALSO

-against women’s reproductive choice
-against stem cell research
-in favor of lower taxes at the specific expense of social-welfare programs
-in favor of hawkish foreign policy and war
-in favor of assassination of foreign heads of state
-in favor of the death penalty
-against all beginning/end of life choice

Again, why is the President-Elect giving someone with such divisive views a prominent place at the most inclusive Inauguration in American history? Why?

Did it have those plastic tube ac ducts in the rear window?

True, for me it is just more evidence that all Obama’s rhetoric about change is BS and what he is about is the same old same old.

Like many of us here, I wasn’t expecting some kind of liberal Messiah in Obama, but I had hoped that he would at least throw us lefties a bone after our ardent support in the election.

So far, every cabinet pick and other appointment has either been a huge disappointment or someone I’m completely ambivalent about. Not a single person I would consider truly “liberal.”

Quite a few I would consider genuinely “conservative” though.

I don’t think I had unrealistically high expectations of Obama, but so far he’s still managing to disappoint.

Are there any Muslims on the agenda?

I doubt I will be watching the inauguration. I’m beginning to think this is about Mr. Obama’s political goals and not about change so much. What a joke politicians play on us promising change and equality for all, but turn around and fool us time after time after time, and we always fall for it.

From what has been transpiring, I for one will not be surprised that on 20 January 2009, at noon, the Obama administration opens on the Capital steps, DOA.

The transparent lack of quality in administration appointments is telling a clearer story than the propaganda being pandered.

I wished it were not so.

THESE people are idiots but we are brilliant!

“Unless Rick Warren has changed, he is very disappointing in the pro-life cause. Just ask pro-life leaders their opinion. He doesn’t like to deal with it at his church. It just seems funny that he is known as ‘pro-life’ when he largely ignores the subject and teaches others to do the same. I fear God for these ‘men of God’. We have lost 50 million babies, and most won’t say a word. Reminds me of Nazi Germany or our slavery days. Very few spoke out. It was more comfortable to keep quiet.”

Here’s another:

“I have had about all I can stand of Rick Warren’s double standards. WHOSE side is he really on anyway? I’m beginning to think all he cares about are his questionable political connections. When I saw your article announcing his participation in “that one’s” so called inauguration ceremony it absolutely sickened me. It isn’t enough Obama is so full of himself that he “thinks” he’s God. - Apparently now Rick Warren believes he is too. This is a complete mockery of all things sacred.”

And “fierce advocate of gay and lesbian equality,” Barry? Don’t make me laugh.

No one who opposes marriage equality and says “marriage is between a man and a woman” is fierce about my rights AT ALL.

No koolaid?

No. Ventilation came from opening the windows, just like my truck.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

Obama is a professional politician constantly pandering for votes. Not a leader, just a pleaser.

I’ve got a big tent in my pants.

They wouldn’t have to bring them all back, just the best ones with some updated engineering but outwardly the same. I think they’d sell.

My dad had a mint ‘57 Ford Fairlane. Sold it in ‘76, one year before I got my drivers license.

Uh oh. Many were hoping he’d appoint Maxwell, an out lesbian, to that post.

Maybe Obama can save some face with the Navy Sec pick:
http://www.washingtontimes.com.....secretary/
(link to the fake news operation Washington Times)

and the kick panel vents

So are millions of other americans…..

This is certainly political pandering- whether it is smart pandering remains to be seen. If he can drive a wedge through the snakehandler community it would be a very clever ploy- but I doubt that he can.

The Third Reich knew it could never conquer the Western Allies with their limited natural resources but they could subvert the people’s mind with their brand of psychotic hate and they have done just that by usurping the unconscious programming of the Western World’s god.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.ms.....57959.aspx

http://www.time.com/time/press.....76,00.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/1/164325/1717

Bring back the Falcon- and the Econoline—roomy vehicles that got great mileage and straight sixes with good reliability.

A gentle reminder not to call other commenters stupid, no matter what one may believe in his heart of hearts, thanks.

My bff in high school’s dad bought a Model A, don’t remember what year it was, had a rumble seat, off a showroom floor in Detroit and towed it back to VA. Randy and I rebuilt that sucker from the frame up. Great little car. Girl magnet.

As a liberal on a whole host of issues including equal rights for all citizens, I call bullshit on this whole “controversy”. Let the stupid bastard mouth his idiotic and useless prayer/invocation/crap and let’s move forward and actually do something for this country. Honestly, I want to slap liberals sometimes.

here’s the one we had, same color

http://www.pbase.com/xl1ken/image/51237972

The inagauree

I see we’re hangin’ out on the same blogs (ref 50). *g*

Yep, elections have consequences…

Unless you are a progressive Democrat, then no matter what you say, what you do, how many phone calls you make or how much you donate, NOTHING EVER CHANGES.

I’ve always admired the ‘57 Ford, although I never owned one. Had a ‘59 but it wasn’t the same.

get behind me in line

“come together”

this is the issue.. what should the limits on who we are expected to come together with. OK. Moderate rethugs and Knights of Columbus members, fine, I despise them, but in the spirit of the season, I’ll acknowledge Obama’s going to try to bring them into the fold. But we’re talking about the Palinists here and their wingnut fundie followers.. the people who will be sending emails featuring our photoshops of our new president alongside burning crosses over their Alaska state government email accounts even as they watch to Rev. Rick’s invocation on FOX. This is one bridge too far. Hate is hate, and you don’t include haters in your big tent.

so why bother with all this screaming and bitching when there is a fish to be caught somewhere?

That’s pretty awesome. Great hood ornament. This is what our Ford looked like. Not as flashy as the Merc.

A big second to that

yea, I can’t stand a bunch of intolerant motherfuckers

which cheek would you like?

I’ve spent decades working for reproductive choice and for GBLT rights. Having Warren open up the totally ceremonial totally symbolic new dawn of a new presidency is a bigger slap in my face than anything you could wield.

The jury is still out on Obama as far as I am concerned. He may be trying to proactively delay the resistance to some VERY liberal policies- or he may just be interested in getting re-elected. We won’t know until the policies start coming.

The promising thing is his statements about “tough times are the times that make revolutionary ideas viable”…We’ll see if his money is where his mouth is on that.

This is not a facetious comment — (I had to say that) but can we please lobby to include a GAY WOMAN CLERGYPERSON in the inauguration? It’s all men, all the time (oh, the poetess - forgot). I’d prefer no religion at all - but since he has gone as far to the right as possible to gleefully insult every thinking person in the country - can’t we at least get some balance? (gay BUDDHIST nun would be great, perhaps. Too much to expect a gay humanist or even a liberal quaker, I guess…)

The 53 didn’t have hooded headlights and was more rounded in front. I can’t remember if it had kick panel vents or not. We also had a 32 Plymouth coupe and the radio still worked. Bakelite knobs still intact.

Hey hey let’s castigate the Christians, let’s make Warren the new Ahmedinejad. Wah Wah let’s make this country more divided, hope is just another word. No use reaching out huh? Let’s be small and not take the risk, all those people who don’t believe what we believe are the enemy hurray for culture wars. We’ll show em as we shoot ourselves in the feet and lock them in a defensive box to guarantee we get no friggin where.

bama won by a slim majority. look it up.

Feel free to go fishing then Raven, don’t let me stop you.

My dad dropped a huge rebuilt engine in it about a year before he sold it. Turned it into a rocket, which is probably why he didn’t want me to drive it. My first car was a ‘67 Chrysler Newport. I thought it looked like a tank at the time but it would be cool to have now… or look at, anyway. Not the most efficient vehicle ever made.

oh, so an African American woman is sort of an afterthought for you. yikes

Yep. How can I say I’m tolerant if I can’t tolerate intolerant motherfuckers?

suweeett

Linky no worky, rat.

Lots of liberal lesbian rabbis out there. That would provide the “balance” he’s so into.

Not gonna happen.

ding

how bout silly. can we say silly?

well thenm let’s invite David Duke, the guys from Stormfront, Warren’s competitor Hagee, Fred Phelps, Hal Turner. maybe we can get Skrewdriver to do a reunion and sing “Tomorrow Belongs to Me”.

By the way, the fact that booman is upset about this (revdeb at 9) speaks volumes.

it’s disguisting and I’m goign to ask my parents not to go.

Gee, Rick Warren so loves the Archbishop Akinola that Warren wrote a puff piece on Akinola for Time. Akinola’s virulently anti-gay, and (as Attaturk noted in May) was president of Nigeria’s CAN sectarian group while the CAN militia massacred over 700 muslim civilians.

So I guess Obama’s “inclusion” fetish makes the Inauguration just one big tent for all Americans. Hey, if Obama will still invite a guy who strutted his luuuv for the leader of an organization with terrorist religious militias, why stop there? Obama won’t be truly inclusive until he invites:

North American Man-Boy Love Association

Aryan Nations

American Nazi Party

Ku Klux Klan

He wants to represent all Americans, right?

Of course, with America’s high rate of incarceration, Obama will need some inmates on the Inauguration dais.

I suggest Leonard Peltier, Mumia Abu-Jamal, the SHAC 6, Rod Coronado, Jeff Luers, Tre Arrow, and the ELF and ALF members now in Federal custody.

We’re all part of one big America, right Mr Presdient-elect?

O/t -
Maybe a little good news via the big orange; haven’t been over to see what Nate has to say yet:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....672/674610

BETRAYAL WE CAN BELIEVE IN

How bout a left-handed knuckleballer from Tonga?

Back to the quarry.

Namaste

Which one?

Rock on.

leaving in the morning

53-46 popular vote margin is hardly a squeaker

I don’t care where he’s from, sign him up. Not enough knucklers in the game for me.

Colour me gone.

Time to go read a book on butterfly collecting.

What? Nothing. Why?

It just popped into my empty noggin.

Is it “Talk like a Pirate Day” yet?

I know.. i know.. The paddle’s over in the corner. No, not the “up the creek” one, the other…

groan…

He tried to get out
but they pulled him back in.

i’m lookin fer a gay protest at the event.

Heh. You’re not the only one:
http://narcosphere.narconews.c.....-exclusion

Separate but equal has worked out so well, both here and worldwide- for so many people. It’s a great model for the gay community to aim for. not.

This has been a most beneficial event though- it’s really delineated the “If I [insert Obama] decide[s] to do it, by definition it’s good policy” Democrats from the “I voted for change and I want to fucking see it!” Democrats.

This is a complete mockery of all things sacred.

They don’t give a damn about his merchandising a worldly “Gospel of Prosperity” (which runs a bit contrary to the Sermon on the Mount) so their estimation of what “all things sacred” contitutes does not really impress.

point is it is NOT a landslide or anything else.

Have fun Raven — hope you catch some good ones!

u want chips with that?

don’t be posting that kind of shit here, it’s not the way WE think

HERE YOU GO!

start one. then you’ll be sure.

a bad day fishin is better than a good day at work

or

everyone should believe in something
I believe I’ll go fishing

Disillusioned words like bullets bark
As human gods aim for their mark
Made everything from toy guns that sparks
To flesh-colored Christs that glow in the dark
It’s easy to see without looking too far
That not much
Is really sacred.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k

538 has the electoral vote at 365 to 173 and popular vote at 52% to 46%. That’s a landslide in Presidential election any way you cut it.

Let the stupid bastard mouth his idiotic and useless prayer/invocation/crap

But why let him do it at the Inauguration? Unless, of course, Obama actually agrees with his bilge.

FDR arrived in Washington with an inner circle of trusted advisors from his earlier days as NY Governor and his campaign for VP. Without these advisors, FDR could not have singlehandedly controlled the government and shaped it to address the economic depression facing the country.

OB’s inner circle of advisors have neither the depth, the experience, or the cohesive discipline to effect the necessary changes that government need face in the present economic collapse. Not one stands out as politically capable or experienced in governing, and it will be a fatal mistake to ignore that fact.

The illusion of conciliatory gestures is just that, the propaganda of illusion. There will be bridges sold just about everywhere to those willing to buy that story.

My guess is that Obama doesn’t care about any of this religious stuff. Of course all people find Jesus on their way to getting on their first ballot- and Obama did that.

He probably thinks that one religious nut case is as good as another

we still have our elderly corolla. used to fit 4 goats, 2 kids, and a partridge in a pear tree into that thing. It still gets good mileage, but now we’re the old goats.

point? there was supposed to be a point? silly me. it’s on the top of junior’s head.

yea, and they didn’t do any fucking better until they managed to get into world fucking war two

Why didn’t Caroline Kennedy stop this travesty!?! So are to assume she agrees with Rick Warren then?

(better?)

Franken might actually win. Hello? tap tap tap. is this thing on?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....672/674610

don’t get me started on them mackerel snappers!

i think obama probably does agree with what warren preaches - or at least doesn’t object. if warren’s role was really about inclusiveness, well then why not a right wing warmongering bigoted islamic fundamentalist? or a neo nazi?

what i see is that obama is ok with a certain kind of right wing bigotry but he’s not ok with others… or, for example, liberation theology (see wright).

the propaganda of illusion

i agree

Someone should ask him if he would consider asking the Grand Dragon of the KKK or Louis Farrakhan (sp?) to speak at his inauguration. If not, why not? Then he might get it.

FDR and his advisers made considerable headway against the Depression until about 1936 when he became more conservative in his taxing policies and this led the recovery to the Depression to stall for a few years until the business expansion associated with the war.

Why does PEBO hate us?

He’s free to choose whomever he wants to do the invocation at his Inauguration, and I am free to close my wallet to his continued requests for donations.

perfect.

People for the Ethical Beating of Oaks?

No, they did not fill Wall Street coffers until the war but there are many families that survived because of the New Deal programs, and until the IIRC ‘38 attempt to balance the budget at conservative Republican insistence, there was progress in restarting the economic process that Wall Street machinations had depleted of funds. If this restoration of economic function had not happened, the population would have been decimated, that did not happen.

During the war, most industrial production was directed to war goals, only then were industrial firms able to reassemble their capital and restore value to their stocks. For the home-front, civilian goods were highly rationed if they were available at all. You should go back and reassess your reading of history somewhat.

ah yes… i shall indeed watch where i step…

thank you so much.

there’s more than one reason for wishing Jan. 20 would just hurry up and get it over with. this waiting is a killer. what can we possibly do in the meantime.

oh… i’ll pass, thanks.

The fact you said that is sick. Throw shoes? I thought “Liberals” were to be understanding and open minded. This whole forum shows how that title is a falsity and the whole movement is a farce. Warren has different beliefs then you and you from him. You don’t agree, then fine, but to demonize him is wrong. The extreme conservatives, whatever their term is, could demonize liberals as murderers, social agnostics, as well as anarchists.

From what i read of Warren he does not believe in gay marriage because he believes in the man and woman for the creation of life, a child. This is the belief of most conservatives. My belief is gay marriage, all for it, but no way the same benefits as the man and woman who have children, but they should have the right to wed but both parties are NOT equal. That is how the government setup the tax breaks and such, so a man and woman can have the money to raise a child in this expensive world.

#143:

You should go back and reassess your reading of history somewhat.

seems broad enough to me, Raven. Give a holler when you come up for air. ;->

Amazing…Obama runs a campaign that was all about ending the divisiveness in America and then he “walks the walk”…and you shit on him.

Should Obama NOT sit down and talk with the President of Iran? How about Hamas?

uh, fisherman? if u be lookin’ to retrieve that lure, i truly beleeve it’s snagged in that bramble bush behind ya.

certainly! good day ta’ u too. be careful, y’hear?

Bless their hearts, but do not feed ‘em.

A season of P. E. A. C. E.

Truly.

Why, I do believe I’d rather hear liberals raise an honest fuss over substance than fundies simper in agreegiousment.

beggin’ yer pardon. U bear listenin’, Bear. I knose that. What wuz I thinkin?!

Besides, let ‘em bless they own dang hardarts. Phooh!
BeGONE ye non-heathens! SHOE!

It is great to see all the outpouring of outrage over Obama choosing Rick Warren. In what I work on, public lands grazing and other environmental issues in the West, the grassroots and progressives really got shafted by Obama and his cowboy-hatted new Interior Secretary pick, Ken Salazar. We are aghast at how Obama could pick someone as polarizing among environmentalists as Salazar, and whose career exemplifies in many ways the environmental devastation of the Bush years - Big Rancher, killing prairie dogs, gutting the ESA. It is deeply depressing. If you are interested, here is a Link to a western public lands and wildlife site where everyone is similarly reeling over the Boot Kick Obama has given us. The symbolism of that over-sized Cowboy Hat Salazar was dressed in at the press conference is as disgusting to grassroots activists on western public lands issues as are Warren’s statements about Gays, Iraq, etc. Obama passed over a true progressive, who had great support from Native Americans, over 150 grassroots groups,and instead chose a Big Hatted rancher enabler of Alberto Gonzalez. Gory details on Salazar symbolism and prairie dogs:

http://wolves.wordpress.com/20.....airie-dog/

“The fact you said that is sick. Throw shoes? I thought “Liberals” were to be understanding and open minded. This whole forum shows how that title is a falsity and the whole movement is a farce. Warren has different beliefs then you and you from him. You don’t agree, then fine, but to demonize him is wrong. The extreme conservatives, whatever their term is, could demonize liberals as murderers, social agnostics, as well as anarchists.”

what a crock of shit. warren doesn’t simply have different beliefs than other people, he actively worked to have people’s rights taken away from them.

stop making excuses for hatred and bigotry.

I have been battling the far right for months on end about their divisive views, and now I see the far left isn’t much better. If y’all can’t see that every aspect of our country must be represented, then I just give up. This just shows how irrational both extremes can be. By the way, Rick Warren is nowhere close to the White Supremacist groups. Believe it or not, you have a good ways to go to be that vicious. Since Obama has people on both sides angry at him, I guess he’s doing a good job at getting a little of everybody represented. Y’all have fun slinging the venom. I won’t be visiting this site again. I’m tired of fighting…it’s time to reconcile.

Hell, why not bypass all the worthy people of the cloth who have fought and prayed for justice all their lives and instead, choose a gay bashing woman hater to give the invocation? If that don’t promote unity, I don’t know what does. And no, I won’t watch the inauguration. When it’s on, I’ll throw a couple of shoes at the damn wall. ‘These social issues’ indeed. As if the humanity and worth of most of the people on this earth were small beans. Screw Ricky and his ilk and screw Obama for sticking this creep in our faces.

If this was the Nazi era and I was of Jewish descent and a president elect chose a vocal anti Jewish Nazi sympathizer to participate in his inaguration; how should I feel. Obama’s lack of sensitivity and outright pandering with overtures to conservative extremists only says to the gay community that Obama tolerates their claims of equating gay men and women with pedofiles and gay marriage rights as a slippery slope to beastiality. Quiet desperation, stunned into a rage of betrayal is how the gay community finds itself. First Obama’s betrayal on FISA, then his Pelosi/Reid like capitulation to Lieberman coupled with his continuation of obvious right of center choices for his cabinet and the choice of this bigot homophobe to participate in his inaguration; only demonstrates what many in the gay community feared all along, Obama is showing his true Christian Black Homophobe roots.
This president is not a friend of the gay community. His selection of Rick Warren is tantamount to condoning racism.