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	<title>Comments on: 2nd Circuit Appeals Court Significantly Narrows Broad Gag Order Secrecy for Patriot Act NSLs</title>
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		<title>By: Ted666</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763902</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bet any of you that the Obama OLC fights to the bitter end to get this flipped in the SCOTUS.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bet any of you that the Obama OLC fights to the bitter end to get this flipped in the SCOTUS.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763865</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;wow, thanks for that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow, thanks for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763845</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Why Do We Need a Rick Warren At All?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/why-do-we-need-a-rick-warren-at-all/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jane’s up&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Do We Need a Rick Warren At All?<br /><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/why-do-we-need-a-rick-warren-at-all/" rel="nofollow">Jane’s up</a></p>
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		<title>By: mack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763840</link>
		<dc:creator>mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Residency Schmedicency&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Residency Schmedicency</p>
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		<title>By: mack</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763838</link>
		<dc:creator>mack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Here’s an ideal - Maybe the Governor of Illinois would be more receptive to a Kennedy appointment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here’s an ideal &#8211; Maybe the Governor of Illinois would be more receptive to a Kennedy appointment.</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763835</link>
		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Citizen cbl2:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Cold as hell here too and gettin’ colder…more snow comin’ too but not enough ta provide any insulation ‘cus the ground temp is now colder’n the Arctic Circle fer Christ’s sake!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citizen cbl2:</p>
<p>Cold as hell here too and gettin’ colder…more snow comin’ too but not enough ta provide any insulation ‘cus the ground temp is now colder’n the Arctic Circle fer Christ’s sake!!</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763832</link>
		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1,860 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While the ruling on the gag orders on NSLs is certainly welcome news it gets this old Scandanavian thinkin’ whether or not we will ever get closer to a rule of law in our society.  Wipin’ out the gag orders emasculates the NLCs but as you point out the consistutionality of the letters themselves and the Patriot Act that spawned them remains unquestioned in the courts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This leads me to wonder if, in fact, the First and Fourth Amendments will ever be restored absent a direct refutation of the Patriot Act by the court and even if the Patriot Act is found to be unconstitutional, the language and argument for that decision could leave the act  alive in legal history as precedent.  And even if the Patriot Act is finally properly excised from history and precedent, all we will have for our efforts is the recognition that we are simply where we were prior to 2002 in the struggle to acheive the ideal of the rule of law.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So instead of 3 cheers for the decision maybe  a qualified 1 1/2 and a recommittment to continue the struggle…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNTION,THE STRUGGLE GOES ON AND ON AND…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,860 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…</p>
<p>Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:</p>
<p>While the ruling on the gag orders on NSLs is certainly welcome news it gets this old Scandanavian thinkin’ whether or not we will ever get closer to a rule of law in our society.  Wipin’ out the gag orders emasculates the NLCs but as you point out the consistutionality of the letters themselves and the Patriot Act that spawned them remains unquestioned in the courts.</p>
<p>This leads me to wonder if, in fact, the First and Fourth Amendments will ever be restored absent a direct refutation of the Patriot Act by the court and even if the Patriot Act is found to be unconstitutional, the language and argument for that decision could leave the act  alive in legal history as precedent.  And even if the Patriot Act is finally properly excised from history and precedent, all we will have for our efforts is the recognition that we are simply where we were prior to 2002 in the struggle to acheive the ideal of the rule of law.</p>
<p>So instead of 3 cheers for the decision maybe  a qualified 1 1/2 and a recommittment to continue the struggle…</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNTION,THE STRUGGLE GOES ON AND ON AND…</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763829</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;hey!  I ’showed my work’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;had fun last night - hope your morning is ok - cold as hell here&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey!  I ’showed my work’</p>
<p>had fun last night &#8211; hope your morning is ok &#8211; cold as hell here</p>
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		<title>By: oldnslow</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldnslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I don’t want you to think I haven’t been paying attention in class&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You never studied.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I don’t want you to think I haven’t been paying attention in class</em></p>
<p>You never studied.</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/18/2nd-circuit-appeals-court-significantly-narrows-broad-gag-order-secrecy-for-patriot-act-nsls/#comment-1763827</link>
		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It was the three-judge panel level, which means it could go to the en banc before it works its way forward to SCOTUS.  No word yet on whether appeal will be filed, if at all, though.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was the three-judge panel level, which means it could go to the en banc before it works its way forward to SCOTUS.  No word yet on whether appeal will be filed, if at all, though.</p>
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