President-elect Obama chose eliminationist hate preacher Rick Warren to give the invocation at Obama’s Inaguration. With this choice, Obama sends three destructive messages. Number one: In Obama’s America, equal rights and reproductive freedom aren’t for everyone. Number two: President-elect Obama likes sharing the national stage with hate. Number three: While Obama enjoys his equality before the law, LGBT Americans can go to Hell. Literally. Gee. Is this change we can believe in? Does Obama’s America include GLBT’s, along with the fundamentalists who want to take away their rights?
Here’s what Jonathan Huston, Physicians For Human Rights’ chief communication officer, had to say at FDL in July:
When Rev. Warren suggests that gay rights are other than human rights, he is advancing eliminationist rhetoric. When he states that homosexuality is not natural and not to be tolerated, he is advancing the position that homosexuality is unnatural and to be – what’s the opposite of tolerated? – oh yeah: eliminated.
So: just what does Rick Warren say about LGBT people — one in seven Americans — when he’s out of American media view?
Where did Warren say this? When he was in Uganda, addressing the anti-gay "Christians" opposed to universal human rights in the worldwide Anglican communion. Who else does Rick Warren support in Uganda? Richard Bartholomew at Talk To Action knows who: Martin Ssempa. Who is Martin Ssempa?
…Martin Ssempa [is a] Ugandan evangelist who has been a keynote speaker at a Warren conference, and who has received US global AIDS prevention funds. As I wrote in August, Ssempa wants to ensure that homosexuality remains illegal and that gays and lesbians are identified in the public mind as sexual abusers. Ssempa calls for media censorship against opposing views and the dismissal of dissenting academics, and last summer he organised a rally with the theme "A Call for Action on Behalf of the Victims of Homosexuality", at which he railed against "molestation and sodomy."
Nice company your Inauguration invocation preacher keeps, Mr President-Elect.
Who else does the President-elect’s preacher support? In a fluff job for Time magazine, Rick Warren sang hosannas for the virulently anti-gay Archbishop Akinola. By coincidence—or design—when he praises Akinola Rick Warren just happens to be supporting the point man in the the schism paralyzing the politically influential and hitherto tolerant Anglican Communion. Yep, the same global congregation which, before the schism, vigorously and effectively promoted a global vision of tolerance and social justice antithetical to American evangelicals’ hate speech and prejudice.
When praising his chosen Archbishop to the heavens for Time’s readers, Warren somehow overlooked how the "lion" Akinola — that confronter of First World relativism and theological drift — gave tacit approval for massacring women, children, and babies. Attaturk, however, noticed:
In May, The Atlantic magazine raised new and more troubling concerns about Akinola. In "God’s Country," the writer Eliza Griswold, daughter of the Rt. Rev. Frank Griswold, former Presiding Bishop of the Episcopal Church, describes a retributive massacre in the Nigerian town of Yelwa carried out in 2004 by a well-organized band of men, wearing clothing and tags that identified them as members of the Christian Association of Nigeria. Akinola was president of CAN during the massacre, which Human Rights Watch reports claimed the lives of approximately 700 Muslims. Dozens of others were kidnapped, raped or maimed…
When asked if those wearing name tags that read "Christian Association of Nigeria" had been sent to the Muslim part of Yelwa, the archbishop grinned. "No comment," he said. "No Christian would pray for violence, but it would be utterly naive to sweep this issue of Islam under the carpet." He went on, "I’m not out to combat anybody. I’m only doing what the Holy Spirit tells me to do. I’m living my faith, practicing and preaching that Jesus Christ is the one and only way to God, and they respect me for it. They know where we stand. I’ve said before: let no Muslim think they have the monopoly on violence."
Is this how Rev Warren wants to confront "theological drift"?
President-elect Obama: is this something you can be really proud of?
The very driven Reverend’s supporters—and many faithful Obama supporters and Dem party loyalists—maintain these are all mere coincidences. Mere accidental association. Sure.
Just like the fact the good Reverend Warren’s very own Purpose Driven Ministry just coincidentally employed and paid Mark Carver as one of their very own executive directors… the sort who — just by happenstance, you see — concurrently worked as business advisor for Left Behind Games.
Mark Carver, a top aide to mega-church pastor and best selling author Rick Warren, has resigned as a business advisor to Left Behind Games, the developers of a video game in which Christian militias wage physical and spiritual warfare using the power of prayer and modern military weaponry to convert New Yorkers and kill those who resist. Mr. Carver’s abrupt resignation, announced in a statement e-mailed to Talk to Action by Mr. Warren’s Purpose Driven Ministries on June 6, 2006, came in response to a two-part series on Talk to Action that criticized the game’s antisocial nature (warriors shout "Praise the Lord!" as they blow infidels away, and players can switch to the side of the AntiChrist to kill Christians). The series also revealed the game developer’s links to Mr. Warren’s empire and their emulation of his network marketing techniques. For example, Mr. Carver, Executive Director of Purpose Driven Church, served on the Advisory Board of Left Behind Games, a corporation formed in October 2001 (weeks after the attack on the World Trade Center) to develop the violent video game and distribute 1 million sample discs through pastoral networks and mega-churches.
In another of the odd "coincidences" beneath notice of exalted leaders like President-elect Obama and Reverend Warren — and hence not to be acknowledged by their faithful congregations and/or vociferous partisans — until Talk To Action broke the story, the developers of the hate video game just happened to be touting Carver and his links to Warren and Warren’s organization.
And until June 6, the Left Behind Games web site featured Mr. Carver’s name and detailed his prominent role in Purpose Driven Church. [Update: here is a screen shot from the Left Behind Games site taken before June 5, showing Mr. Carver's name and invoking the name brand of Purpose Driven Church.]
Reverend Warren’s faithful supporters — and President-Elect Obama’s — ask us to believe these are all unhappy coincidences. In their universe, I guess Job was plagued by trials, and Rev Warren is plagued by coincidence (kinda like the coincidence of choosing the same PR firm the patriarchical Promisekeepers and the extremist Rod Parsely chose).
In my universe, the improbability drive doesn’t take me there. Too many random "accidents" to be ascribed to mere chance. Nope, to me this looks like Intentional Design. Talk to Action sees a purpose driven connection, as well.
Do we think that Mr. Warren would allow his name brand and reputation to be casually invoked in a major business venture that involves one of the largest publishers in the Christian marketplace, who published the Left Behind novels, one of the best selling fiction series of all time? Does anyone think that Left Behind Games invoked the name brand of Mr. Warren’s Purpose Driven Church without his permission? Since this possibility is far-fetched, what we are looking at here is a business/marketing alliance between several evangelical business and ministerial entrepreneurs for whom the Great Commission also means great profits.
Barack Obama’s had too many repeat performances with Rick Warren for his choice to be explained away as an accident or an oversight.
Barack Obama has all the equality any American could ever imagine. Now that he’s used progressive American to support his effort to be President, he’s got what he wants. Whatever his appointments may seem to offer LGBT folk and their allies, the choices Barack Obama makes about the Inauguration show Americans and the world who and what he holds close. Barack’s repeated elevation of the hate preacher and eliminationist Rick Warren show us all who Obama chooses to associate with: an ambitious, influential hater.
Are these the values, the beliefs, that Obama really wants to embrace? Is this what he wants to show to the world, or even to his family and children?
There are many preachers in America who don’t hate gays; who don’t have all these "concidental" associations in their past. It would be simple enough for Obama to show that he believes in tolerance and equality by choosing one of them. If not, who he chooses here, will be used, fairly, to judge who he is.
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Oh, joy….
ZED!
OOOOOOOO JEEBUS!
Aw shitinheimer!!
Hey Kirk how ya doing? staying warm I hope! I sure all those ktty’s are snuggling with ya!
OK Pups Digg is now Open!!
Did you mean “Illuminist?”
This sums up all that has made itself evident to those with eyes to see:
“The art of illuminism lay in enlisting dupes as well as adepts and by encouraging dreams of honest visionaries or the schemes of fanatics. By flattering the vanity of ambitious egotists. By working on unbalanced brains or by playing such passions as greed and power to make men of totally divergent aims serve the secret purpose of the sect. People with money were welcomed, but kept oblivious of actual secrets. The purpose is to win power and riches. To undermine secular or religious government and attain the masters of the world.”
Nesta Webster
http://video.google.com/videop…..7963555139
On Inauguration Day 2004 St Pete for Peace held a counter inaugural in coalition with other groups across the country. Perhaps we’ll have another one this coming January and invite the Rev Dr Jeremiah Wright to speak.
Evenin’, Kirk.
edit –
20042005hey kirk–i hope people start writing some letters, and this would be a good one to ’spotlight’ since warren’s connection to carver isn’t widely-known. i wish i would have added that to my letters. i’ll send another to add it.
epu’d-sorry so long, but includes my letter i wrote earlier.
i’ve been a little, um, dismayed i guess is the word, over a few of the announcements.
and add on the chrysler right-before-christmas-outta-here-good-luck-suckas crap.
but beyond that, choosing warren kinda set a tone that is going to reverberate like a cracked bell. say goodbye to lady liberty, no more bell ringing. it is sooooooo wrong, for countless reasons.
like i said earlier, a few of the things obama is doing is like dropping the drawbridge to the huns. i don’t get it.
there is an arcade fire song that has a line in it that fits–
“how come nothing tastes good”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oljrHaEroa4
rock out, i’m gonna play it forty times. loud. cuz that’s where we are now.
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http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/…..ment-17813
here are email addys that teddy has been giving out from boxturtle for inaugural people.
and here is what i have been posting. after the next paragraph.
write some letters. this is beyond disgusting, i really can’t believe it. This is the man Obama wants as a part of his Inaugural? Out of all of the people he could select? I truly don’t get it.
here is the contact page to send a letter to tell them to change their plans to have Pastor Warren anywhere near this Inaugural.
http://change.gov/page/content/contact/
my letter could have been better, I hate those little boxes, but didn’t go to a text page. oh well. at least I wrote one.
I hope many many pups send one off immediately. Let’s get the outrage we feel about this across to them.
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Dear President-Elect Obama;
Whomever made the decision for Pastor Rick Warren to deliver the Benediction at your Inaugural, and whomever suggested it, should be fired. Reverend Warren most certainly does not qualify as someone who exemplifies the teachings of Jesus and the actions of a man of God.
I can name at least 10 ordained women and men who espouse a level of excellence who should have been given the honor of delivering the Benediction on the historic day of your Inauguration. A myriad of choices, yet you chose the most offensive one besides James Dobson. And the one out of San Antonio, Hagee.
Surprisingly, I would rather hear the pastor at The Wasilla Bible Church; I listened to his sermon last Sunday after the fire and it is exactly what people should be hearing every Sunday. Unconditional Love. That is what he preached after having his church destroyed. You should listen to that sermon. I even wrote to him to compliment him.
Pastor Rick is not someone I would look to for insight or leadership, after seeing and hearing him telling others that love is conditional, who creates division and calls it being a leader. He is an appalling human being for the hate he creates and then hiding behind his other ‘works’ to ‘call it even’. That is not the conduct of a man of God, at least that is not what I was taught, especially coming from a preacher. i’ve noticed that he sounds great in interviews, but take a look at what he says in public, what he is really saying in front of his congregation, and news outlets. It is atrocious that he gets away with it.
Whom should you have asked instead, if you wanted a fundamentalist? Joyce Meyer. At least in the middle of her interpretations of the Bible she is also teaching people tolerance, and how to be fine human beings. To be responsible for what you create in others by being tolerant and loving to all, no matter your creed or religion. Or lifestyle.
I am dismayed that you would give such an honor to such a despicable person.
I spent countless hours working during your campaign, and I have to say, I wish I could take those hours back. I cannot believe you would do such a thing, yet you did. I truly don’t understand how this has happened.
Out of all of the people from which you had to choose, you chose the one who is the wolf in sheep’s clothing. I don’t think you realize how offended people are by this choice. If you think more will be offended if you change it, you are wrong.
I hope you change your decision about this.
Sincerely,
Methodist, and heterosexual, in case you wondered.
ICK.
Obama is a turning out to be creepier than I thought.
can everyone stop running that horrific pic now please?
just askin respectfully.
It is infuriating that hate-mongering sheisters like Warren are chosen to represent Christians on the national stage, when people like Bishop John Shelby Spong aren’t even considered. Looks like the Republicans have won another election… 4 more years and all that…
this is the most disturbing,OFF PUTTING thing OBAMA has done to date
puuuuuuuuuuuuuuukkkke
Thank you, Kirk, for reminding us about the odious record of Pastor Rick™.
We will learn a lot about Barack Obama’s capacity to admit error in the next few days, I think.
FAKE XTIANS FOR OBAMA
yes i threw up in my mouth a little
Ya, I haven’t had dinner yet.
I really got to wonder if people are making recommendations to Obama or is he doing this on his own.
Hey Teddy how are you doing? Hope you are staying warm, it has been dam cold down here in the Peninsular.
Your posts earlier were spot on Teddy. I sure hope Obama changes his mind on this one, he has pissed us progressives enough already to have this Christian(Jesus would be disappointed by this guy) hating homophobic to swear him in for Prez. I started out in the primaries not trusting Obama and then trusting him… Now I fucking wonder if my original gut feel was the correct one!
CNN now on the case (although why they consider Andrew Sullivan a progressive I will never understand….)
did you say jeeebus?
(scroll down and ‘go forth’….there are all kinds of links on the main page, it took forever to find this particular page, which just has photos one after the other)
http://www.jeeeb.us/jeeebypage…..otmilk.htm
big butter jesus-heywood banks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq01UYiMyHg
Couldn’t he just choose some small town, unknown non-denominational pastor and make him/her famous???
What about RevDeb?
i figured obama for an establishment corporatist, but not a cultural right winger. what a disappointment.
I think Obama lost RevDeb in the FISA daze.
Does it make a difference? Bad choices deliberately, or bad choices by neglect?
Why do Chamberlain and Hitler come to mind?
Rick Warren is the kind of guy you’d expect Sarah Palin to have for her Inauguration. Only we didn’t vote for Sarah Palin because she told us that she opposes all Science, Tolerance, Education, Multiculturalism, Enlightened Thought, The Public Good and Progressive Taxation.
We voted for Obama because he told us that he supported our principles. He’s been kicking us in the balls every day.
Warren is just the icing on what is turning out to be a disgusting cake that I feel stuck with. Yes, we’ll see what transpires over the next 4 years. I’ve been doing that for decades now and nothing much has happened yet.
It would be hypocritical of me to claim buyers remorse. I couldn’t possibly vote for McCain and not voting has never been a viable option for me either. I campaigned, I contributed, I held my nose and did what needed to be done because I kept hearing that the alternative would be far worse. I complained here, quite vehemently if I remember, that BHO was giving me the willies on pretty much all the issues that are important to me. So where are we now? Education Secretary who fires teachers and supports NCLB testing and is in the pocket of the corporate lobby and is endorsed by David Brooks and Margaret Spellings? Check! Shady AG nominee who may or may not move us back into the rule of law and who will certainly NOT prosecute Bush administration lawbreaking? Check! Bigoted pastor who equates lgbt Americans with degenerate perverts at a campaign rally and now at the inauguration? Check! I could go on and on an on….
And, lots of supporters who argue that well, just because he wants to work hand in hand with people who want to destroy your job, your personal life, your foundational beliefs in what your country stands for, deny your basic civil rights, etc. etc. its bipartisan, so what? He is going to bring about change! Yeah, and Republicans are going to cooperate with him! Yeah! and, and, and so what if he’s not even talking about any financial changes that will help you, he’s going to help corporations and jobs and so what if bankruptcy is cool for businesses and not for working people? And so what if the banks continue to engage in usury and credit card fraud?
Look, a PONY! I throw up in my mouth a little every day now. Half a century of working for change and this is what I get. Ugh. Thanks Kirk, for putting word to my despair. You rock!
True. She might reconsider though!
I try very hard not to write posts like this because I am a foreigner, but maybe one of you could tell your president-elect that choices like this, more than almost any other, make the U.S. look absurd in the eyes of the rest of the world.
No one else, absolutely no one else understands why your public figures feel chained to snake-oil salesmen like Warren. Just say no, eh?
for a chance to give obama a piece of her mind when he might have to listen? i’d be astonished it RevDeb wouldn’t jump at the chance.
Rachel’s going to have something on an independent commission on torture at the top of the hour.
Oh Lord of all creation. You have made us all and know every hair on our heads. You know every beat of our hearts. So, I don’t have to tell you we’re in big trouble down here. We need your presence now more than ever. Our dear country has been torn apart, ripped off, lied to, thousands of us killed and oh yes, Lord, the rest of the world hates us. Those that we haven’t killed. We need your comfort and guidance. We need more than we can ask for. You know what we need and we are on our knees, waiting.
Amen
Unless you’re progressive and/or LGBT. Then we got nada. Sorry.
Where is that RevDeb??? If we’re going to denounce this clown, we should have an alternative to offer up!
This sucks! The guy isn’t much better than some of Palin’s pastors, worse than one of ‘em…
You guys unfortunately ended up with Harper on account of Jeebus lovers – American and Canadian. Martin and the NDP guy tried to warn you.
That is the sort of event that would tempt me to come out there. Just to record this for posterity and perhaps check up on the old nuclear bomb trigger facility out that way.
Teedy, this type of gratuitous insult cannot be allowed to stand, they just thought people were upset before. I really was trying to give the new Administration the benefits of the doubt, but how could I now? Welcome to the new boss, too much like the old boss. I mean the cabinet is a fucking DLC Dream Team, the even one upped us on their DINOs, they have authentic Republicans! I’d have to turn in my card.
You are entitled! No barrier here. It’s useful for us to hear how people not native to this country view what’s happening here. I am native to this country, and I am pretty close to batshit crazy trying to figure out what game is afoot here, if game it be. Urk!
As a gay African-American I am beyond enraged
http://fablog.ehrensteinland.c…..r-respect/
Thsi speaks however to a much larger problem — Black Homophobia.
I hope to address it in an essay ASAP.
If Palin were elected, Warren would be perfect for her. See my 26.
Bishop John Shelby Spong a liberal theological scholar, trust me, he would be teh awesome. Which of course is precisely why he would never in a million years be considered.
Gee, maybe Obama can get Lee Hamilton and John McCain to chair it.
Well, no — it’s more complicated than that. Harper can’t survive on the fundies alone. He needs an incompetent Liberal opposition, which he has had for some time, Martin included. (Great finance minister, terrible PM — hi, Gordon Brown!) I am an NDPer, an aging dipper, and I don’t need much warning.
This from over at Daily Kos:LINK
by DMiller on Wed Dec 17, 2008 at 02:21:25 PM PST
Wiki link for Bishop Spong.
or peterr. i expect there are others as well.
I was just trying to show people how easy it would be to write an appropriate Invocation.
Gunner Cheney have a prior commitment?
OT ~ Apparently AG Michael Mukasey has recused himself regarding the Madoff case because his son, Marc, who works for Giulini’s LAW FIRM is representing Frank DiPascali, the CFO at Madoff’s investment firm.
We need a new party. The dems are awful in so many ways.
Oops — I should probably revise “great finance minister” a bit, just in case Ian comes along. Paul Martin was exceptionally clever at shaving away all kinds of things that matter to us ordinary folks in order to keep the big books nice and tidy. I won’t say more than that or I’ll be in trouble with people like Ian who actually understand economics.
Levin. My first thought was oh, boy. Now Bush will definitely grants lots of pardons.
You about covered it!
Other voices in the blogosphere are speaking up about Rick Warren too:
PageOneQ
MyDD: A Spit In The Eye
DK: Rick Warren? Are you kidding me?
DK: Why the surprise over Rick Warren?
Excellent. RevBev too. I really like the Peterr idea.
And you did. Thanks.
Is it bad manners to boo?
Indeed he has!
Spencer ACKERMAN ON RACHEL!
SPENCER ACKERMAN on Rachel right now!
I’ve seen him in a long video series, along with other liberal theologians. He was most impressive and inspiring. Brilliant even.
Thanks for sharing him here.
Now Spencer reminds me of the front pack taken from me at Heathrow on Aug. 12th of 2006.
Dear Mr. Obama:
Here’s the thing. I hoped and yeah, even prayed, that Al Gore would run for president in 2008. He didn’t. I gnashed my teeth, rent my garments and cast about for an alternative. Thus it was that I homed in on John Edwards, and we all know how that turned out.
So then, I caught the wave and worked very hard at becoming an Obama Mama. I sent you money. More than makes sense for someone like me, but I was so afraid that the Republicans would score a win if we didn’t get solidly behind you. So we did. Oh, some of us had reservations, but the rest of us came to believe in you. At least in theory, because we hadn’t yet had a chance to see where the dazzling rhetoric would take us.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, brother against sister, arguing among ourselves about who you really are. About what your choices tell us about our prospects for the next four years. About whether there is really hope for change for us.
I haven’t said much about those choices. I’ve tried to adopt a kind of “you must know what you’re doing; you must know something we don’t; you must be doing something really crafty with these odd selections you’re making” attitude. Wait and see. Wait and hope.
Well.
Holder, Vilsack, et al notwithstanding, I believe you’ve truly reached the tipping point with Rick Warren praying to the creator on behalf of America. All of America. Jeebus, sir. What were you thinking? I mean, really, what were you thinking?
I am very disappointed and disenchanted with you today. I expect that doesn’t matter much. I’m neither a mover nor a shaker. I’m just a midwesterner who put all her faith in you to do the right things on our behalf. That means embracing the Constitution, exercising radical inclusiveness, and listening to the people as you promised us you would.
Sir, I think I’d like my money back.
Ackerman was great.
A small suggestion if someone knows him. He should get the anti-glare coating on his eyeglasses if he’s going to be on TV more often.
epu this Barbara…
Unfortunately, Obama – who was so pitch perfect on Campaign Issues – is looking Tone Deaf on Social Issues.
And this doesn’t look like a political stance he’s taking, either. His zinger of the Cross-Dressing Rudy at the Al Smith Dinner with McCain had more than just speech-reading behind it – he took a shot.
So, the Pres-elect is looking like he’s a homophobe – an honest homophobe – but a homophobe all the same.
I just hope he realizes that the Goopers – who are still fighting the War on Terror – the Terror of Them Losing Social Control – will Gleefully use his homophobia against the Melting Pot Left to Advance their Agenda of Controlling Our Lives.
Additionally, I hope Obama comes to see that his own Lack of Personal Integration – All for Diversity, just not teh Gay – is Self-Defeating to his Vision of a Better US.
My pleasure : ) My dad is a retired Methodist minister. He introduced me to Spong’s books years ago. I’m a huge fan. He is easy to read and so eloquent on why fundamentalism is so misguided. I really appreciate RevDeb’s and Peterr’s presence here, but Spong is an internationally recognized liberal Christian religious scholar. He would have been wonderful, and instead brainless myopic pinheaded politicians pick a disgusting grifter like Warren… Well, needless to say it gets my hackles up in a big way.
Warren isn’t even insightful nor is he a very skilled speaker. Horrible choice on so many levels, except perhaps calming the pasty white male voters, which was probably one reason for this decision.
Now Jim Wallis is an evangelical who is a great speaker and a great thinker, but doesn’t have the marketing skills of Warren, so instead we get Pastor Blowhard.
Well said!
Spong is amazing. Has pissed off his denomination (Episcopalian, yes?) by being so totally candid, questioning, creatively thinking.
Let me know if you get your money back. I’m feeling buyers remorse as well.
707!
Thanks. It is really, really hard for someone who is a peacemaker at heart, a smartass by habit and an idealist long past the age when most people give that up to find myself in a deep funk about the man I thought had earned my vote.
Best we not hold our breath(s), eh?
Obama will not be the transformative President many hope for but merely a transitional President.
Despite the fact most Western European nations have had universal health care for over 60 years for their citizens the best the U.S. can hope for is that mabybe in another 30 years the U.S. will catch up.
I’m not holding my breath but I am holding on to my EU passport.
“The president-elect certainly disagrees with him on [lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] issues,” Douglass said. “But it has always been his goal to find common ground with people with whom you may disagree on some issues.”
Yep, the Anglicans (Episcopalians here) are having all sorts of schism problems with the fundamentalist churches (primarily in Africa and Asia) getting seriously torqued over the liberal churches (principally here and in the UK). Although as Wiki notes, the Archbishop of Canterbury wasn’t too pleased with Spong either. Spong is brilliant and follows in the footsteps of other great liberal Christian thinkers like Tillich. Unfortunately, in the US “Christian” is used synonymously with fundy bigots like Warren. Breaks. my. heart.
I can’t figure out what Obama is doing with this decision. Maybe he thinks that the religion issue is a free shot- so he shouldn’t get “outJesused” since it’s free.
mine are up, too……
i just realized who is giving the benediction, that may explain it, warren is there to balance out reverend joseph lowery. lowery is the one who threw reality at bush at coretta king’s funeral. and got a standing ovation when he did it. at a funeral. hmmmmm. and he’ll get the last word. warren is the invocation, lowery is the benediction. this might be worth watching after all.
Hey, get back in the party line!
From my comment at 18
Barbara you said it better than I but I still have that Dam Gut feel about this. He sure is making my gut hurt with his picks for cabinet although I do Like the Generals he has picked!!
While at the Va today getting my foot worked on the Doctor , who is a Major seems pleased with both of those picks, he said neither one knew Obama before and were very surprised by by being asked to serve! He wouldn’t say “Anything about his current Commander in Chief” but the way he said that said everything!
my best friends have been watching that site for years. and their daughters. when i got high-speed, we got on the phone and flipped through the pics together just for fun. hilarious, i laughed so hard i hurt.
the butter jeebus is just northeast of where my family and friends are. it’s quite the spectacle.
and we’ve been going to see heywood for years and years and years. he calls them ‘his family’ cuz they used to dress up like the weird relatives he used in his act. aunt velveeta. etc…yayah toast! i just had a piece of toast and cocoa, i needed comfort food.
“But it has always been his goal to find common ground with people with whom you may disagree on some issues.”
Since Warren has stated publicly, on several occasions, that his abhorrence for homosexuality is non-negotiable and not open to debate the only message left to take is that Obama can live with bigotry against LGBT Americans.
Being one myself, I can’t live with it. So I’m not sure where the common ground might exist — I can’t have full civil rights and keep Warren and his ilk happy and I’ll never be happy as long as I remain a second-class citizen with all the responsibilities (like paying taxes) and few of the rights. Warren isn’t willing to budge but I should be? I should give up my rights so he can maintain his “religious” freedom?
I can’t honestly see any consensus possible in this situation. If Warren et al would embrace “live and let live” I would have no problem with him holding his beliefs and his attempts to proselytize others into his way of thinking. But he refuses to and he will never be satisfied with an America where I am free to be gay and have equal rights with him.
Nope. Sorry. I don’t care who is pencilled in for the benediction, you don’t welcome a bigot to the national stage. Period.
da da da da daaaaaaaaa da!
conga?
read lowery’s wiki, he’s gonna put warren in a slam dance party line–
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Lowery
just like he did bush and his minions.
oh, i agree, i agree, but lowery just might get in a solid left. or more. vindication for the rest of us for obama allowing it, inviting it. this is a man who bows to noone when he sees a ‘wrong’. and you can bet he doesn’t think much of warren. that’s what i’m sayin’.
I didn’t write it I posted it.
I realized that — I was just commenting on the quote since you posted it without a comment. Sorry I didn’t make that clear.
You know if you are Religious you believe that God made us in his image and now that there is irrefutable scientific proof that being Gay is not a choice but is “How” God made them, you know they are BORN that way. You would think that theses Religious people would ask themselves “What would Jesus do?” And I am sure that Jesus would take them to him and give them blessings for being God his Father’s children ad would offer them hope,happiness and the promise of heaven if they believed in him. Not this pure hatred that so many “Christians” and other Religious leaders do.
Oh and now Scientists tell us the “gay” is found throughout the animal kingdom… gee that says that God made them that way!
after you, boo.
Thanks for the scoop on Lowery dmac. I hope he rises to the occasion in a big way, but will he speak up on behalf of our LGBT citizens? Will he use the occasion to repudiate the hatefulness of Prop 8? I hope so. Warren may be well known in CA, but Prop 8 catapulted him into the national consciousness. If Lowery is to balance him, it has to go beyond slamming Bush and get to the heart of civil rights for all of our citizens.
Done!
he may not, but the warren choice makes more sense now. i wish it would have been joyce meyer.
kewl!!
high five!!!!
down low!
too slow!
fist bump.
There is No “Common Ground” when you have any dealings with this Nazi Cabal of the likes of Rick Warren.
This psychotic cult see all such actions as weaknesses which they fully exploit today, tomorrow or years from now.
Perhaps this Three Card Monty is merely to take heat away from the Mormon Mafia.
Obama’s third card in this fiasco could well be the Rev. Ken Hutcherson, The part-time rabble-rouser and full time Black Bipolar Nazi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Hutcherson
What will Obama’s Hollywood support say about this very Bush Behavior?
Join the Stop Rick Warren Group at My.BarackObama.com
http://my.barackobama.com/page…..ensHateNOW
no, let him come. lowery will slam dance him.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/2512
phred-he is civil rights, for all.
Thanks for the diary, dmac.
However, even Oxdown diaries have to be championed with discretion and moderation. This is the fourth time on this one.
Thanks for understanding.
I’m not a fan of Pastor Rick and I attend services (Methodist) every week.
Bottom line here, is the selection of a pastor to deliver one prayer on Inauguration Day really that important that everyone’s abandoning the ship here? Obama’s being inclusive. One can’t be inclusive by saying inclusive, but ‘you guys [name your group]’ can’t participate.
It’s a tempest in a teapot, until Obama seriously does something like perpetuate the gays in the Miltary stuff (which is ludicrous). There are many, many more things to have righteous indignation over. This isn’t one of ‘em.