Comments on: Cheney Confesses to a War Crime—What’s It to You? http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/ Firedoglake weblog Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:29:05 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: extrapolator http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763088 extrapolator Thu, 18 Dec 2008 00:46:49 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763088 <p>It’s not too late. 9112010.com</p> It’s not too late. 9112010.com

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763027 looseheadprop Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:37:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763027 <p>It was my #1 choice, too, Bob</p> It was my #1 choice, too, Bob

]]> By: bluebutterfly http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763022 bluebutterfly Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:44:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763022 <p>On the chance you might read this, I just want to say in answer to your last three words on your site…of course they did! I figure that there is enough information in print and on video for the trial to last about three years. Shorter, if the neo cons start to ‘rat’ on each other.</p> <p>You have a lot of information in one place. No Sibel Edmunds, though? Valerie Plame Wilson called Sibel’s information stunning.<br /><a href="http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685" rel="nofollow">http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685</a></p> On the chance you might read this, I just want to say in answer to your last three words on your site…of course they did! I figure that there is enough information in print and on video for the trial to last about three years. Shorter, if the neo cons start to ‘rat’ on each other.

You have a lot of information in one place. No Sibel Edmunds, though? Valerie Plame Wilson called Sibel’s information stunning.
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5685

]]> By: rhendrks http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763017 rhendrks Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:58:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763017 <p>On the subject of Cheney’s “confession”:</p> <p>Rather than regarding Cheney’s admissions on torture, and other war crimes, as another blatant “so what” from the Bush cast of characters, his remarks are, more likely than not, a set-up for the pardon which Dubya will bestow on him before Jan. 20, as sure as God made green apples.<br /> Watch for others from the Bush rouges gallery to make similar statements in the next month.</p> On the subject of Cheney’s “confession”:

Rather than regarding Cheney’s admissions on torture, and other war crimes, as another blatant “so what” from the Bush cast of characters, his remarks are, more likely than not, a set-up for the pardon which Dubya will bestow on him before Jan. 20, as sure as God made green apples.
Watch for others from the Bush rouges gallery to make similar statements in the next month.

]]> By: bobschacht http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763011 bobschacht Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:30:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1763011 <p>If anyone is driving by, <a href="http://pol.moveon.org/2009/agenda/" rel="nofollow">MoveOn.org is holding its Agenda-setting vote</a>. You have to log in first, or join if you’re not a member. Last week they held their issues “primary”, and this week they’re voting which of last week’s top 10 issues should be their top three priorities next year. </p> <p>One of the choices is “Hold the Bush Administration Accountable.”<br /> When I voted, I made it my #1 choice. Its tough, though, getting only 3 choices when there is so much needing attention.</p> <p>Bob in HI</p> If anyone is driving by, MoveOn.org is holding its Agenda-setting vote. You have to log in first, or join if you’re not a member. Last week they held their issues “primary”, and this week they’re voting which of last week’s top 10 issues should be their top three priorities next year.

One of the choices is “Hold the Bush Administration Accountable.”
When I voted, I made it my #1 choice. Its tough, though, getting only 3 choices when there is so much needing attention.

Bob in HI

]]> By: jcrich53 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762962 jcrich53 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:17:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762962 <p>And this comes on the tail of the Congressional report finding Cheney’s pal, Donald Rumsfeld culpable in the decision to torture prisoners as well. See: <a href="http://globalinvestmentwatch.com/2008/12/12/white-house-torture-strategy/" rel="nofollow">http://globalinvestmentwatch.c.....-strategy/</a></p> And this comes on the tail of the Congressional report finding Cheney’s pal, Donald Rumsfeld culpable in the decision to torture prisoners as well. See: http://globalinvestmentwatch.c…..-strategy/

]]> By: wigwam http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762950 wigwam Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:00:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762950 <blockquote><p>Why not bring em home and torture them in Bush’s basement if you had no mens rea? Why go through the elaborate machinations of GITMO and the black sites and issue OLC memos about being safe from the courts’ jdtn if you thought that the 1/3 of the US gov that interprets the law would think you weren’t breaking it?</p></blockquote> <p>Their claim is that it was/is legal to torture non-citizens outside of U.S. borders, because — get this — the U.S. filed a reservation along with ratification of the Convention Against Torture that we would interpret torture in the sense of the U.S. Constitution. Alberto’s artful dodge is that the Constitution doesn’t protect non-citizens outside U.S. borders, so whatever we do to them isn’t torture. (Indeed, Alberto tortures logic worse than the CIA tortures detainees.)</p> <blockquote><p>But Mr. Gonzales revealed that during his tenure as White House counsel, the administration twisted this straightforward standard to make it possible for the CIA to subject detainees to such practices as sensory deprivation, mock execution and simulated drowning. The constitutional amendments, he told the committee, technically do not apply to foreigners held abroad; therefore, in the administration’s view the torture treaty does not bind intelligence interrogators operating on foreign soil. “The Department of Justice has concluded,” he wrote, that “there is no legal prohibition under the Convention Against Torture on cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment with respect to aliens overseas.”</p></blockquote> <p>More here: <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A36718-2005Jan25.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....Jan25.html</a></p>

Why not bring em home and torture them in Bush’s basement if you had no mens rea? Why go through the elaborate machinations of GITMO and the black sites and issue OLC memos about being safe from the courts’ jdtn if you thought that the 1/3 of the US gov that interprets the law would think you weren’t breaking it?

Their claim is that it was/is legal to torture non-citizens outside of U.S. borders, because — get this — the U.S. filed a reservation along with ratification of the Convention Against Torture that we would interpret torture in the sense of the U.S. Constitution. Alberto’s artful dodge is that the Constitution doesn’t protect non-citizens outside U.S. borders, so whatever we do to them isn’t torture. (Indeed, Alberto tortures logic worse than the CIA tortures detainees.)

But Mr. Gonzales revealed that during his tenure as White House counsel, the administration twisted this straightforward standard to make it possible for the CIA to subject detainees to such practices as sensory deprivation, mock execution and simulated drowning. The constitutional amendments, he told the committee, technically do not apply to foreigners held abroad; therefore, in the administration’s view the torture treaty does not bind intelligence interrogators operating on foreign soil. “The Department of Justice has concluded,” he wrote, that “there is no legal prohibition under the Convention Against Torture on cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment with respect to aliens overseas.”

More here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..Jan25.html

]]> By: mcartri http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762943 mcartri Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:44:47 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762943 <p>Sadly, I think the infamous “handwriting on the wall” was Obama’s vote on the FISA Bill. This was a clear choice between upholding the rule of law or allowing the Bush Crime Family to escape accountability. After campaigning against the bill, he voted for it. Politically, it didn’t gain him a single vote on Nov. 4, but I know of one he lost to a third party-mine. Leahy’s allowing the GOP to tell him they need more time to propagandize against the nomination of Holder for AG is most telling. Protection against prosecution for Democrats who enabled War Crimes is more important than supporting The Constitution it appears. That approach didn’t work-out very well in Hitler’s Germany. It will cost us our Democracy if The People remain The Sheeple.</p> Sadly, I think the infamous “handwriting on the wall” was Obama’s vote on the FISA Bill. This was a clear choice between upholding the rule of law or allowing the Bush Crime Family to escape accountability. After campaigning against the bill, he voted for it. Politically, it didn’t gain him a single vote on Nov. 4, but I know of one he lost to a third party-mine. Leahy’s allowing the GOP to tell him they need more time to propagandize against the nomination of Holder for AG is most telling. Protection against prosecution for Democrats who enabled War Crimes is more important than supporting The Constitution it appears. That approach didn’t work-out very well in Hitler’s Germany. It will cost us our Democracy if The People remain The Sheeple.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762925 cinnamonape Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:17:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762925 <p>Yukio Asano spent 15 years in hard labor after being convicted of water boarding American POW’s during WW2.</p> Yukio Asano spent 15 years in hard labor after being convicted of water boarding American POW’s during WW2.

]]> By: BooRadley http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762919 BooRadley Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:07:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/17/cheney-confesses-to-a-war-crime%e2%80%94whats-it-to-you/#comment-1762919 <p>I want to give her the benefit of the doubt too, especially, because it looks like she’s a damn super-lock. </p> <p>In the FISA <strike>fight</strike> massacre imho, we needed people with “name recognition” such as CK out front.</p> I want to give her the benefit of the doubt too, especially, because it looks like she’s a damn super-lock.

In the FISA fight massacre imho, we needed people with “name recognition” such as CK out front.

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