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	<title>Comments on: I understand why being appointed Senator is good for Caroline, but is it good for anyone else?</title>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Okay and just how many research assistants did she have?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay and just how many research assistants did she have?</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Correction: I mean Darcy. Pre-dinner time. Yes, we can do better than make a miserable dynastic choice, like Darcy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: I mean Darcy. Pre-dinner time. Yes, we can do better than make a miserable dynastic choice, like Darcy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Well then clearly a shoo-in for the Supreme Court. *g* You know we made a lot of fun of Sarah Palin’s knowledge of foreign policy because she could see Russia from her window but Caroline Kennedy’s résumé seems similarly contrived. She did a little law work so she is a Constitutional scholar. She went to India so she knows foreign affairs. Her kids convinced her to support Obama so she is really a crafty politician. In both cases, we have candidates who come out of the woodwork and are suddenly graced with career long expertise. Yes, Kennedy comes from a more patrician grade of woodwork than Palin but both are similarly manufactured.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No — she went to India, (Jaipur in particular) to co-research a book which her mother was publishing, on Islamic Law and Governance and Art in the Mughal Period — the 1500’s and there abouts. While I didn’t say so in my initial post — I like people who at some point in their lives take their muse a little seriously and go off and do odd-ball things such as this.  Anyone building a political career these days, wouldn’t go off and work on a project like this.  It says nothing about Foreign Affairs today, but it says a good deal about character, personality, self confidence and many other things.  I don’t think she is the kind of person who would vote against arts efforts — I think she would see them as being just as important as sports stadiums and taxes that favor big professional team owners — there are lots of assumptions I can make based on this.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“She did a little law work, so she is a Constitutional Scholar” — well if you are concerned about the treatment of the Bill of Rights by the near late Bush establishment, maybe you would find it of interest to look at someone who researched appeals cases in the civil rights/civil liberties field.  And yea, she also wrote a couple of books on the subject.  Pretty well reviewed actually.  Ya’all know, she just might be something of an advocate in this area — Donncha know Lawyers who were prosecutors who get into office usually focus on how the criminal law works — think Arlen Spector and Pat Leahy who always tell us about the cases they prosecuted.  Well — maybe someone who was out of the public view advocating in written briefs in the appeals courts for civil rights/civil liberities???  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As to foreign affairs — much more to the point was the three year long three country conference on the Cuban Missile Crisis — that involved much negotiation with Moscow and Cuba so Historians could get into the archives.  And while I didn’t mention it — the Kennedy Library is well into a multi-year effort on many aspects of Vietnam.  No no — all that is irrelevant.  So what if she took the family seat on the Library Board and shook things up saying less emphasis on rocking chairs and irish jokes, let’s get serious about the history.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And on Wellstone — I use that as an example that at times it is a good thing to bring in a political science professor from an elite college who knows how to organize on his state’s turf so as to run a campaign than it is to bring in someone who carefully climbed the ladder of small to slightly larger political jobs at the state and local level.  Yep — the Senate needs people who once ran for dog catcher, but maybe a more diverse set of life histories would be good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Well then clearly a shoo-in for the Supreme Court. *g* You know we made a lot of fun of Sarah Palin’s knowledge of foreign policy because she could see Russia from her window but Caroline Kennedy’s résumé seems similarly contrived. She did a little law work so she is a Constitutional scholar. She went to India so she knows foreign affairs. Her kids convinced her to support Obama so she is really a crafty politician. In both cases, we have candidates who come out of the woodwork and are suddenly graced with career long expertise. Yes, Kennedy comes from a more patrician grade of woodwork than Palin but both are similarly manufactured.”</p>
<p>No — she went to India, (Jaipur in particular) to co-research a book which her mother was publishing, on Islamic Law and Governance and Art in the Mughal Period — the 1500’s and there abouts. While I didn’t say so in my initial post — I like people who at some point in their lives take their muse a little seriously and go off and do odd-ball things such as this.  Anyone building a political career these days, wouldn’t go off and work on a project like this.  It says nothing about Foreign Affairs today, but it says a good deal about character, personality, self confidence and many other things.  I don’t think she is the kind of person who would vote against arts efforts — I think she would see them as being just as important as sports stadiums and taxes that favor big professional team owners — there are lots of assumptions I can make based on this.   </p>
<p>“She did a little law work, so she is a Constitutional Scholar” — well if you are concerned about the treatment of the Bill of Rights by the near late Bush establishment, maybe you would find it of interest to look at someone who researched appeals cases in the civil rights/civil liberties field.  And yea, she also wrote a couple of books on the subject.  Pretty well reviewed actually.  Ya’all know, she just might be something of an advocate in this area — Donncha know Lawyers who were prosecutors who get into office usually focus on how the criminal law works — think Arlen Spector and Pat Leahy who always tell us about the cases they prosecuted.  Well — maybe someone who was out of the public view advocating in written briefs in the appeals courts for civil rights/civil liberities???  </p>
<p>As to foreign affairs — much more to the point was the three year long three country conference on the Cuban Missile Crisis — that involved much negotiation with Moscow and Cuba so Historians could get into the archives.  And while I didn’t mention it — the Kennedy Library is well into a multi-year effort on many aspects of Vietnam.  No no — all that is irrelevant.  So what if she took the family seat on the Library Board and shook things up saying less emphasis on rocking chairs and irish jokes, let’s get serious about the history.  </p>
<p>And on Wellstone — I use that as an example that at times it is a good thing to bring in a political science professor from an elite college who knows how to organize on his state’s turf so as to run a campaign than it is to bring in someone who carefully climbed the ladder of small to slightly larger political jobs at the state and local level.  Yep — the Senate needs people who once ran for dog catcher, but maybe a more diverse set of life histories would be good.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 11:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Well then, in your view, who handed the Clintons the Senate nomination? You do not suggest they earned it the old fashioned way, do you? After working in politics for years in various campaigns, I hold the view that running for office does not necessarily prove anything about one’s character or fitness for public office. The Clintons have done nada for NYS since their election to the Senate and expect them to move on. Bout time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once they had the Senate nomination, it was a cakewalk. Traveling upstate is exhausting but so are most jobs.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hillary Clinton was invited to run for the seat by Pat Moynihan when he announced his retirement.  He discussed it with her in DC, quietly did some polling about it, and then invited her for a weekend to his get-away farm to discuss NY Politics — and they made the announcement jointly at the end of the road to his quite rural farm.  He then offered Hillary much of his own campaign organization — some part of which was his Senate Staff, and she was off and running, doing joint events in some places with Moynihan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Well then, in your view, who handed the Clintons the Senate nomination? You do not suggest they earned it the old fashioned way, do you? After working in politics for years in various campaigns, I hold the view that running for office does not necessarily prove anything about one’s character or fitness for public office. The Clintons have done nada for NYS since their election to the Senate and expect them to move on. Bout time.</p>
<p>Once they had the Senate nomination, it was a cakewalk. Traveling upstate is exhausting but so are most jobs.”</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton was invited to run for the seat by Pat Moynihan when he announced his retirement.  He discussed it with her in DC, quietly did some polling about it, and then invited her for a weekend to his get-away farm to discuss NY Politics — and they made the announcement jointly at the end of the road to his quite rural farm.  He then offered Hillary much of his own campaign organization — some part of which was his Senate Staff, and she was off and running, doing joint events in some places with Moynihan.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Her “facts” are mostly her opinions, albeit highly informed opinion I grant.  Still, I tried to offer some “facts” earlier talking about how much excitement a possible Senator Caroline Kennedy would bring to NY and national Dems, as evidenced by the overwhelming support I’ve seen on the other blogs, radio, and a Dkos poll.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Couple that with strong support from some other writers in the New Media who also know NY politics extremely well, and back up the claim that Caroline Kennedy would actually help Dems tremendously, not hurt them as lhp claims, and a strong case can be made for her appointment IMO.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m a big believer and have acted a lot to support the Blue America/More and Better movement.  This is a great way to dismantle the “dynastic” system that currently dominates.  I’m also a big believer in picking battles wisely, and going all out against Caroline Kennedy is not a good use of our energy IMO.  I do appreciate the honest debate about it though, as with any issue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Her “facts” are mostly her opinions, albeit highly informed opinion I grant.  Still, I tried to offer some “facts” earlier talking about how much excitement a possible Senator Caroline Kennedy would bring to NY and national Dems, as evidenced by the overwhelming support I’ve seen on the other blogs, radio, and a Dkos poll.</p>
<p>Couple that with strong support from some other writers in the New Media who also know NY politics extremely well, and back up the claim that Caroline Kennedy would actually help Dems tremendously, not hurt them as lhp claims, and a strong case can be made for her appointment IMO.</p>
<p>I’m a big believer and have acted a lot to support the Blue America/More and Better movement.  This is a great way to dismantle the “dynastic” system that currently dominates.  I’m also a big believer in picking battles wisely, and going all out against Caroline Kennedy is not a good use of our energy IMO.  I do appreciate the honest debate about it though, as with any issue.</p>
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		<title>By: JLML</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLML</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kirsten Gillebrand (not Christen)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: SoldierofChrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>SoldierofChrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a singer’s last name- does that mean I can sing? Give me a break! When this woman had the chance of endorsing the first female President of the United States, she ran over to the chicago sissy man and endorsed him. She was in the fix- her uncle, who should have served prison time for leaving that helpless girl to her death in the water, had already had this fixed with Obama. They are all in for the power. The only thing I can think of the Kennedys- father was a bootlegger, John Kennedy had no values, and still people wonder if he had Billy Jean killed because of her information concerning his bed manners, John John was rumored to have a drug problem, and now older sister thinks that the seat is hers because of her name. There are many more people that have worked hard for this position- but as usual we have a bunch of koolaid drinkers that fall apart when it comes to the stars!!!!!!!!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a singer’s last name- does that mean I can sing? Give me a break! When this woman had the chance of endorsing the first female President of the United States, she ran over to the chicago sissy man and endorsed him. She was in the fix- her uncle, who should have served prison time for leaving that helpless girl to her death in the water, had already had this fixed with Obama. They are all in for the power. The only thing I can think of the Kennedys- father was a bootlegger, John Kennedy had no values, and still people wonder if he had Billy Jean killed because of her information concerning his bed manners, John John was rumored to have a drug problem, and now older sister thinks that the seat is hers because of her name. There are many more people that have worked hard for this position- but as usual we have a bunch of koolaid drinkers that fall apart when it comes to the stars!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Reid is supporting Caroline ? This is bad news for her chances …&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid is supporting Caroline ? This is bad news for her chances …</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;bonkers, go back and read the Sara post you linked to. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Caroline is a lawyer, JD from Columbia. She is specialized in Constitutional Law, and of her six books, two deal with Civil Rights/Civil Liberties.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where the f was she on FISA?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bonkers, go back and read the Sara post you linked to. </p>
<blockquote><p>Caroline is a lawyer, JD from Columbia. She is specialized in Constitutional Law, and of her six books, two deal with Civil Rights/Civil Liberties.</p>
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<p>Where the f was she on FISA?</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As LHP points out above, if the current governor appointed himself, that would leave  the Republican Senate Majority leader (put in place because a couple of conservative Dems couldn’t stand not getting their way, thus allowing the Rs to continue controlling the NYS Senate as they have done since I believe 1964) as the new governor.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As LHP points out above, if the current governor appointed himself, that would leave  the Republican Senate Majority leader (put in place because a couple of conservative Dems couldn’t stand not getting their way, thus allowing the Rs to continue controlling the NYS Senate as they have done since I believe 1964) as the new governor.</p>
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