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	<title>Comments on: Wow: What Shoe Throwing Taught Me About America</title>
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		<title>By: SWEG</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/15/wow-what-shoe-throwing-taught-me-about-america/#comment-1761561</link>
		<dc:creator>SWEG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Respect the office.  Respect the office.  Bullshit.  When a man attains high office in a democracy there is a certain level of respect that is granted to him because of the mandate.  But from that point forward, like every other man who walks the earth, respect is earned.  By actions.  And respect is lost.  There is no residual respect for the office when the holder of the office deserves none.  To admit to this would enable horribly destructive acts by an incompetent fool.  Oh wait, that just happened didn’t it?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Respect the office.  Respect the office.  Bullshit.  When a man attains high office in a democracy there is a certain level of respect that is granted to him because of the mandate.  But from that point forward, like every other man who walks the earth, respect is earned.  By actions.  And respect is lost.  There is no residual respect for the office when the holder of the office deserves none.  To admit to this would enable horribly destructive acts by an incompetent fool.  Oh wait, that just happened didn’t it?</p>
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		<title>By: GogglePisano</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/15/wow-what-shoe-throwing-taught-me-about-america/#comment-1761505</link>
		<dc:creator>GogglePisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Man, I must wake up before I type. Three lines and 5+ errors.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I must wake up before I type. Three lines and 5+ errors.</p>
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		<title>By: GogglePisano</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/15/wow-what-shoe-throwing-taught-me-about-america/#comment-1761502</link>
		<dc:creator>GogglePisano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It seems it’s ok for the USA to depose or kill, any other country’s  leader but toss a shoe or a pie at theirs and its prison, for a good long time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Christ America, your acting like a 6 year old child.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems it’s ok for the USA to depose or kill, any other country’s  leader but toss a shoe or a pie at theirs and its prison, for a good long time. </p>
<p>Christ America, your acting like a 6 year old child.</p>
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		<title>By: acquarius74</title>
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		<dc:creator>acquarius74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, Ian.  DUGG and commented there.&lt;br /&gt;
pup34&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Ian.  DUGG and commented there.<br />
pup34</p>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
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		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;completely wrong&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>completely wrong</p>
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		<title>By: AmosAnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmosAnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 12:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your description of the American perspective seems to fit the reality but I think there’s more to it, in terms of politics anyway. We’ve seen recently people arrested who were apparently in the process of working on a method to kill Barack Obama. Were they even charged with a crime, other than the unrelated reason they were stopped by police? Have you read the phrase, “serves at the pleasure of the president” recently in terms of who Obama can appoint or remove from the executive branch? Yet a phrase that Marie Antoinette might have been embarrassed to claim was commonly used to justify removing appointees for actually serving the nation rather than the party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The deference for the “office of the presidency” only seems to apply to Republican presidents. There was certainly little respect for Clinton. Carter? Don’t make me laugh. Still, there is the memory of the ’60s (and ’70s and ’80s considering Ford and Reagan) where leaders believed that they could, even fleetingly, appear with crowds or in unsecured areas, and they, and the nation, paid an ultimate price. Certainly some of that plays a role in the sense of allowing democracy to be the method to choose and challenge your leaders rather than violence, on whatever level.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re right about the unquestioned respect that seems to be required for a president. Maybe it’s the American system, where the leader isn’t directly challenged as it is in a parliamentary system. Raucous debate (Bronx cheering) is common in parliament where the national leader is a regular participant but never allowed toward a president. Not getting up and applauding some thieving policy described during the State of the Union speech is considered gauche. The whole atmosphere of the State of the Union speech is regal with unquestioned deference expected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Canada does have its quirks though. I once photographed a visiting lord-mayor of Liverpool in the Montreal city hall. I think it was the same guy that gave the Beatles the famous balcony greeting. He had asked if he could meet with the mayor, just on a completely informal, “Hi” level. He asked me what title the mayor had, as in “Your Honor” or “Your Honour.” When I told him the common deferential title was “Your Worship” he was surprised, but quickly adjusted. When in Rome… Oh, the mayor was Drapeau.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your description of the American perspective seems to fit the reality but I think there’s more to it, in terms of politics anyway. We’ve seen recently people arrested who were apparently in the process of working on a method to kill Barack Obama. Were they even charged with a crime, other than the unrelated reason they were stopped by police? Have you read the phrase, “serves at the pleasure of the president” recently in terms of who Obama can appoint or remove from the executive branch? Yet a phrase that Marie Antoinette might have been embarrassed to claim was commonly used to justify removing appointees for actually serving the nation rather than the party.</p>
<p>The deference for the “office of the presidency” only seems to apply to Republican presidents. There was certainly little respect for Clinton. Carter? Don’t make me laugh. Still, there is the memory of the ’60s (and ’70s and ’80s considering Ford and Reagan) where leaders believed that they could, even fleetingly, appear with crowds or in unsecured areas, and they, and the nation, paid an ultimate price. Certainly some of that plays a role in the sense of allowing democracy to be the method to choose and challenge your leaders rather than violence, on whatever level.</p>
<p>You’re right about the unquestioned respect that seems to be required for a president. Maybe it’s the American system, where the leader isn’t directly challenged as it is in a parliamentary system. Raucous debate (Bronx cheering) is common in parliament where the national leader is a regular participant but never allowed toward a president. Not getting up and applauding some thieving policy described during the State of the Union speech is considered gauche. The whole atmosphere of the State of the Union speech is regal with unquestioned deference expected.</p>
<p>Canada does have its quirks though. I once photographed a visiting lord-mayor of Liverpool in the Montreal city hall. I think it was the same guy that gave the Beatles the famous balcony greeting. He had asked if he could meet with the mayor, just on a completely informal, “Hi” level. He asked me what title the mayor had, as in “Your Honor” or “Your Honour.” When I told him the common deferential title was “Your Worship” he was surprised, but quickly adjusted. When in Rome… Oh, the mayor was Drapeau.</p>
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		<title>By: MKBR</title>
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		<dc:creator>MKBR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 11:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I totally agree with this.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Robt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 09:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Since shoe tossing at a Lame-Ducking President is taken in history.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How about American send in a worn smelly sock to the White House?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After all, socks will be softer on postal charges and have a stronger aura (statement) when opened.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; The Christmas-send=the-President a smelly sock campaign.??&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; Make some American history of our own?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since shoe tossing at a Lame-Ducking President is taken in history.</p>
<p>How about American send in a worn smelly sock to the White House?</p>
<p>After all, socks will be softer on postal charges and have a stronger aura (statement) when opened.</p>
<p> The Christmas-send=the-President a smelly sock campaign.??</p>
<p> Make some American history of our own?</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And another thing:  If this was SUCH a bad crime — worthy of punishment of YEARS in prison, and immediate torture, why didn’t the Secret Service act?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They simply didn’t see anything wrong.  And neither did Bush.  Why, if I didn’t know better, I’d think it was all a set-up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And another thing:  If this was SUCH a bad crime — worthy of punishment of YEARS in prison, and immediate torture, why didn’t the Secret Service act?</p>
<p>They simply didn’t see anything wrong.  And neither did Bush.  Why, if I didn’t know better, I’d think it was all a set-up.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 06:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;GREAT post!  I am American — always have been.  But I haven’t felt “at home” for any of my adult life.  I simply don’t feel like Americans do.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Disability forced me to retire early, and in that time, I have had time to think.  And I realized a lot of it has to do with how we were indoctrinated in public schools in America.  So many out-and-out lies were told.  No wonder so many Americans don’t really use logic.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREAT post!  I am American — always have been.  But I haven’t felt “at home” for any of my adult life.  I simply don’t feel like Americans do.</p>
<p>Disability forced me to retire early, and in that time, I have had time to think.  And I realized a lot of it has to do with how we were indoctrinated in public schools in America.  So many out-and-out lies were told.  No wonder so many Americans don’t really use logic.</p>
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