Steve Hildebrand unleashed a wave of criticism with his Huffington Post piece where he stated that "[t]his is not a time for the left wing of our Party to draw conclusions about the Cabinet and White House appointments that President-Elect Obama is making" and "he was elected to be the president of all the people – not just those on the left." Then in classic concern-troll fashion, he identified himself as "a liberal member of our Party."
On 1600, Norah O’Donnell read from my response and asked Hildebrand to address it:
And after the past eight years, it’s a bit much to stomach someone saying "just shut up and trust me, because I know better."
There is a lot of speculation right now about what will happen with the 13 million member email list the Obama campaign built, and there is some talk of Hildebrand running an organization that manages it.
I wonder how long those membership numbers will hold up when any criticism of Obama is greeted with patronizing lectures and sneering condescension for its liberals?
Hildebrand says "I didn’t tell anyone to shut up, it’s not the way my mother raised me."
Actually, he did — the point of his largely incoherent column, as far as I can tell, is that there are a lot of problems right now so it is "not the time" to be applying liberal critiques to Obama’s cabinet appointments. We need to be Americans right now, not liberals. He reiterates it in the MSNBC clip.
You want to grab your head and just tell him to put down the shovel.
The idea that being a "liberal" is somehow not being "American" is something we’ve heard from the wingnuts for years, and it’s disconcerting to be hearing it from an Obama surrogate like Hildebrand. I wish I thought this was some clever plot to Sistah Souljah liberals and make Obama appear a Solomonic centrist, but I think the meme has just been absorbed by people desperate to be liked by the bullies of the right and they simply can’t help repeating it.
For the record, although there are many voices on FDL who think otherwise, I’ve said in many places that I believe Obama has the right to appoint who he wants to his cabinet. It comes from a lifelong conviction that has more to do with management theory than ideological consideration, and I’ve defended Obama’s right to choose on these grounds. But the corollary is that when and if things go wrong, Obama — and only Obama — will be responsible.
If he appoints scumbags, and they do scumbaggy things, he has nobody to blame but himself.
My point was that the notion that Obama is appointing the most competent people, as Hildebrand is arguing, is absurd. They’re not. They may serve Obama’s purposes, and the mathematics of constructing an effective team is not something that can always be easily judged from the outside, but don’t pretend that some of these choices aren’t problematic. Or that by taking part in the political process and voicing their concerns, liberals are not being team players and are somehow not "American."
Hildebrand goes on to deny that he will be in charge of the organization that becomes a home for the 13 million name email list that the Obama campaign generated, though he says "I certainly want to be involved."
Well that’s good news. Sources say that it was Hildebrand, as deputy campaign manager, who personally called big donors and told them not to fund the 527 groups during the election. When the campaign later reversed itself, it was Hildebrand who was charged with putting the word out on that, too. While I have no idea the role that Hildebrand played in making the policy actual decision, which many Obama insiders call the "biggest mistake" the campaign made, he certainly was in charge of implementation.
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I don’t know what else Hildebrand did during the campaign, but PR is obviously not his strong suite. He needs to confine himself to an office somewhere. Either that or learn that Republicans in Congress are the enemies, not the liberals/progressives who volunteered their time and money to get Obama elected.
Hildebrand sounds like one of those who want all the benefits of power without having to deal with all those pesky details that come with it.
Aren’t we finishing up eight years of that type of governance?
Stick to your guns, Jane. The guy’s wrong, and he has to know it, at some level (that never seems to show on cable news).
Great job getting under their collective skin!
“I didn’t tell anyone to shut up, it’s not the way my mother raised me.”
Did his mother teach him to use weasel words? Or was that Dad?
Is it just me, or is this guy a bit of a lackey who’s trying to puff up his chest? It almost seems like someone trying to hang on to his moment of glory.
FWIW, I am less concerned with Obama’s appointments than others, but completely agree with you, Jane – Obama won in large part by running on his judgment, and if cabinet picks get in the way, then it will damage that brand. I am not ready to panic about that just yet. But holy crap – I don’t care who says what about it. I don’t know why Hildebrand did, other than to see his name flood the intertubes.
One wonders, however, why someone who disagreed wasn’t sharing airspace with him.
bwaaahaahaaaa… didn’t know about his connection to the 527 kerfluffle, was Dangerstein busy or somethin’ ?
I agree it is the closest thing to a tactical error made in an otherwise brilliant campaign
You know what, those are fighting words to me. I say we show them what progressives are made of. They/he acts as if we don’t exist. As if we don’t matter. I say we show them how we matter. Obama still needs to win in 2012, we can see that he doesn’t.
Now it makes sense. The person behind the big mistake not to fund the 527’s (Hildebrand) is also the one trying to portray advisors/appointments like Rubin, Summers, Geithner as competent.
Jane? Stick to her guns? I don’t think there’s much cause for concern about that. I dunno about all this, though. I’m willing too give them all a chance – even Gates whose appointment pissed me off. But that’s me. Because I feel that way is a far cry from telling people that they must do the same. hey, Obama says he welsomes disenting views and wants people to be honest with him and tell him they think he’s wrong. So what’s the problem. One final thing. I dopn’t know how to judge who’s “most competent” but for anyone to claim that any cabinet is the most competent is silly.
I think we need to show them that they might as well have “good” luck without us. If we are going to be screwed, it might at well be by those we don’t like much, versus those who don’t like us much…..
Funny, I don’t feel like I am a marginalized 4% of my Democratic party.
Thanks Jane.
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i agree w/you AND jane. i just want a little respect fer helpin to put the man in office. how bout a little consideration or even condescension, please. anyway, that’s where i am on the issue.
it’s all fucking silly
To paraphrase Ari Fleischer, people need to be careful what they say.
How do you figure?
Just. Doesn’t. Get. It.
Hildebrand goes to the heart of the issue in his response when he cites the huge challenges the Obama presidency is facing. What he still fails to understand is that much of our opposition to some of the appointments is because the appointees are too associated with the creation of these crises rather than representing fresh solutions.
that too.
59 years as the Silly Wizard
Still don’t get it.
in his defense. it’s not about the appointments per se. bama is the controller is proly what he was tryin ta say. just clumsy about it.
Do you get the Merry Pranksters?
i am the bs detector in the same way raven is the silliness detector.
Well, Obama reps at NN just about told me to STFU, not in those words but in sneering unconcern for my POV. So I think the problem is not Hildebrand, but (granted, sample of only 2) something more pervasive about the Obama organization.
Pranksters
“You’re either on the bus or off the bus”
You got it wrong when you say:
It seems more apropos to say:
Was I hearing things or did Obama say during the campaign that this was about us and not him. I keep getting E-mails seeking ideas coming from both the campaign and the organization that was built. Sounds to me like
Hildebrand is off the reservation.
Sounds like last nights spitting contest right here in the Lake of Tolerance and Understanding!
Sorry no I don’t.
Sorry, no I don’t…?
I heard that. *g*
Notes to Hildebrand from active, voting citizens.
Speech edit suggestions/content direction:
1) Liberals are one of many voices which support President Elect Obama. Obama values the insights of all who voted him into office and as President, values all voices of the American people, including liberals.
2) It is important for the citizenry to have dialogue about the direction of the leadership of our country. Even though the President elect has to make the final choices of who he surrounds himself with in serving the American people; our great citizenry has a right and a duty to be active and lend their voices of confirmation as well as concern to any appointment which ultimately serves the people and the Constitution. After all, their salaries are paid by tax dollars. Free speech and “self-criticism” of government are hallmarks of Democracy and a free and open society such as our great, liberty-based, nation must welcome all voices and viewpoints on public servants.
3) Everyone has a role to play in accountability to the people and the rule of law. Should any cabinet choice, by the President, individually show a lack of character or outspoken thoughts contrary to serving the rights of the people and the rule of law as defined by the Constitution, then the President, in his vow of transparency, will respectfully receive concern and accountability. These are the grounds and promises he was elected on and President elect Obama plans to abide by them.
4) Therefore, PE Obama, welcomes the concerns, ecouragements and confirmations that liberals and all citizens offer towards his cabinet, extend office appointments and other decisions made for our citizens and our nation. It is his duty, ultimately.
Guess you had to be there.
Hey, I got us out of it with self-deprecating humor. You’re not going to make me work at it again this morning are you? *g*
still say i can spit farther than you. so there. spit.
That’s verrrry good!
Very funny, if life weren’t so serious….
nope I gotta go
“one flew east
and one flew west
and one flew under the cukoo’s nest”
Are we just going to spit at one another?/s
or over
Guess they don’t want us at the grownups table… too much deadweight
left over from the DLC family.
You know if we just planned to give up, why did we vote?
OT
Shuster getting the 6pm slot at MSNBC. Sorry if someone has already posted this.
I’m tempted, but, I’m staying downity.
guess so. that’s what us dems do best. trick is to just have some fun with it. if ya can. otoh we could try to strangle one another. would that be better for ya?
The kids’ table is much more fun. And we can have a food fight right after we finish the spitting contest. *g*
Jane should just STFU and wait and see. This is an important meme for a President who voted against the Fourth Amendment, has no real plans for mortgage relief or a UAW bailout, doesn’t plan to leave Iraq soon and who lobbied hard for the $700 billion gift to the banks. Note that Google wants a two tier net now, so where do you suppose he’s gonna be on that? Awright, STFU, you hysterical liberals. See? That was easy. Don’t bother looking at Gore Vidal’s essays in The Second American Revolution on The Bank and The Two Party system, just, ya know, give it some time. Be an Amerikkan, willya?
YEAH!! Doing your best to make it catch on.
you are expected to be uppity now.
now yer talkin. food fight!
Hee. Wouldn’t the world be a nice place if it did?
As long as he can agree with them?
I’d rather spit…
Better than 59 as the “Silly Rabbit.”
[”Silly Rabbit! Trix are for kids!!]
although my mother taught me that spitting is tackey and low class….
You get shouted out alot on MSNBC, great job! But does that mean that we cannot complain anymore about our voices not being heard by the mainstream media?
You betcha.
quite right. you, demi, ecahn take the high road.
Come on now. You’re being unAmerkun by pointing out prez flaws.
Could be an interesting story. One wherein a former Wall Street Wizard becomes a cult guru. Non religious person who shares the wisdom of downity. Ends up with huge following. Saves the planet.
I’m gonna take the downity road.
GOP is risking the US economy for a chance to bust the UAW, and Chris is singing “someones sleeping, lord, kumbaya.”
I can see that you are a talented fiction author.
Have a cookie.
whoo hoo! Better than Nora and so much better than the previous 6:00 slot Right Wing Hack – Tucker
Geez, someone is talking on CSPAN2 about a subject I know a lot about, measurement bias in the CPI, and he’s managing to bore me to tears. He’s taking about 5X as long as he needs to make his points.
that is the way ta do it. one decision at a time. thanks.
“If he appoints scumbags…”
Not if: Holder, Summers and Geithner. Obama and those in his cadre like Hildebrand are beginning to make me think this administration may be Bush-lite or Bush in brownface.
I don’t think it is about the high road, or the low road, but the road less taken…
PS Hildebrand is a patronizing little beltway shit tard, not half as smart as he thinks he is nor nearly glib enough to sell this gibberish. Best hope is some emerging voices in Congress who can get covered for doing the right things. The Obama people are just going to grift the email list while they try for their share of corporate money and business support. Sorta like Carter, but with a computer. Geez. I suppose I could just wait and see, but does anyone really think it’s going differently?
Steve watches “Morning Joe” and talks like it’s some sort of legit news show. ‘Nuff said.
Steve buddy, check out MediaMatters.org and search Joe Scarborough, and then find another source of info, unless of course you honestly feel JoeScar is more credible then a bunch of crazy radical Liberals like Jane Hamsher.
Joe Scarborough: my mother taught me if you don’t have something nice to say, say nothing at all….
Heh, I knew it. Speaker on cspan2 is proving that poverty in U.S. has fallen in half because CPI is biased upward. His bias numbers for CPI, over a percentage point/year, is way higher than any estimate I thought reasonable when I was in those weeds. So I googled the speaker, David Weinstein, and shoe enuf, his book is published by AEI.
My memory is vague but I think the estimates of CPI bias that were that high in my day also came from the Right.
yep, governing from the center will take a bit of faith. trouble is the left has no time. been there done that. my advice would be to pick the issues. this ain’t one of them, imo.
Bwahahaha …
G’Morning all !
or you in a brown shirt
Yep, I was accurate. Old estimates of high bias came from Boskin Commission. Boskin was HW’s Chair of Council of Economic Advisors.
AEI, I wish I could remember my mother’s teachings that if I have nothing nice to say, I should say nothing at all…AEI is the exception to this rule…
Smile, Though Your Head Is Aching – Leaders not Advocates.
“Look,” she said, the chicken breast on her plate untouched. “I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things — Buddhas? I don’t know what they were — couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk.”
Unsmilingly, she continued: “If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have ‘Impeach Bush’ across their chest, it’s the First Amendment.”
…the speaker is seething.
“We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow,” … Though crediting activists for their “passion,” Pelosi called it “a waste of time” for them to target Democrats. “They are advocates,” she said. “We are leaders.” http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..06_pf.html
Emanuel is a brilliant “enforcer,” but narrow-minded when it comes to the brilliant re-framing that Barack Obama has been making his trademark. Rahm is definitely not the vision guy. He’s a tactical field commander, but not a four-star general.
Like most progressives, BuzzFlash sided with the 50-state strategy of Howard Dean in 2006, which Emanuel and Chuck Schumer did everything they could to undercut. We remember reporting at the time that Emanuel was barely on speaking terms with Dean because Rahm thought that the 50-state approach was unrealistic and a waste of time and financial resources.
Well, fast forward to 2008, and Howard Dean’s vision — as carried out on the presidential level by the campaign staff of Barack Obama — was vindicated. The limited cautious political focus of Emanuel and Schumer would have been a disaster for the Obama campaign, and for the Senate gains in both the 2006 and 2008 cycle.
http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/140
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Blago-Rahm “conversations”, DLC-Clinton, JJjr and “fund raising” payoffs, Obama has surrounded himself with some clever, by their own thinking, “leaders.” The progressive left IMO has a super sensitive bs detection system in place – k/a “The Internets” (soon to be neutered btw for that reason). Hildebrand’s feet fit Karl’s shoes it seems as he’s out in front with Rahm’s talking points and blowing smoke. The press will eat it up ’cause none want to share cocktails with a DFH Advocate.
Here you just need to say AEI, and everyone knows what you mean. No need to say anything nasty.
It’s like that joke about telling jokes in prison. They have been told so often that they all numbers, so in the mess hall, all you need to do is shout out the number to make everyone laugh.
The analogy here is with acronyms and negative emotions.
AEI = ugly.
Hardly a brown shirt, I voted for Obama. The point was that many voted for him because he is brown thinking that meant something about him, like he was not Bush (similar to many people voting for McCain-Palin because Palin is female).
Gotta know what they’re up to to fight them.
Any time someone says “my mother taught me,” I always regret not telling both my reich wing parents to STFU. Now they’re not merely gone – my asshole brother had them cremated and won’t tell me where he dumped the ashes. Can’t even piss on their grave now. “Wait and see?” See where the fuck that got me? Twenty years entre deux guerres,”that’s where that got me. Ya know those “wait n’see ” people? Fuck those “wait n’see” people.
Heh. AEI invited a critic from Brookings. Normally those guys are spineless, but he’s actually doing a solid job of debunking Weinstein.
Yes. I went on their website once and read they they believe that we, the idiots of the regular world have no concept of an abstract idea. Made me crazy with confusion….
This from someone involved in the tightest lipped campaign in memory.
He now thinks it ok to offend a significant constituency… and not walk it back when given an opportunity.
Any reason we should not think it’s a message from the top?
I mean is justice a reality, or just an idea?
Entrench power always wants a compliant and docile public. It’s imcumbent for progressives, left wingers and even liberals to keep Obama’s feet to the fire. Given all the problems the country faces, primarily a result of following Republican voodoo economics, it’s not time to find solutions that are merely tweaking the failed policies of the right. Time for a left turn.
good question…
Goddamit, no one is waiting and seeing! I can feel Hildebrand’s seething frustration.
My current hypothesis on Obama & his organization is arrogance. The PE hides it with his demeanor, but to my eye not entirely. The way his body language surveys the audience at pressers, for example. Anyhow, that’s the context into which I’ll slot new evidence. Hildebrand is certainly arrogant.
Jane, the following quote seems to be fitting in regard to Obama and the FDL folks:
Gandhi was asked, ” Where are you going? “
Gandhi replied, “Those are my people going there; I must run and catch up with them, for I am their leader.”
OK. Current speaker on cspan2 is even more boring. Off to read a book until the oven repairman shows up.
Very fitting…/s:-)
would that we had a fitting leader….
I remember FDR, Ike, and those that followed. We haven’t had a true Leader in many years; Bobby Kennedy may have been our last hope in that respect. As for Obama – what can we do more than wait and see? If we send our opinions to his website, would they really be considered?, or just put us on a list in the Total Information Awareness system?
Don’t sweat it. Hildebrand’s SAIU (Special Assistant for Ignoring Us) will take a look at them as soon as possible.
Like, no chance of ever being read, huh?
None whatsoever.
Why is it, looking at the majority of Obama picks, do I feel like a Hatfield while he surrounds himself with the McCoys? How can we not criticize when his communicators, etc. are people who have shown they despise us?
Just curious.