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	<title>Comments on: What Scumbag Would Call The Humane Society &#8220;Terrorists&#8221;?  Rick Berman</title>
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		<title>By: deninewell</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759564</link>
		<dc:creator>deninewell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 00:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;H$U$ or Rick Berman???  That’s easy.  Rick Berman.  Check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.humanewatch.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;www.humanewatch.org&lt;/a&gt; and see with the agenda of PETA and H$U$ is.  Their agenda is to “free” animals from bondage. That means freeing pets from the people who love them…you!!!  Like your pet cat or dog?  H$U$ doesn’t.  They don’t want anyone to have pets.  Their position is spay and neuter all dogs and cats.  “One generation and out.”  Before you give your hard-earned money to either group, please realize they don’t have shelters.  They don’t give a crap about pets.  They want to legislate pets out of the reach of average owners.  And, they’re being quite successful.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>H$U$ or Rick Berman???  That’s easy.  Rick Berman.  Check out <a href="http://www.humanewatch.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.humanewatch.org</a> and see with the agenda of PETA and H$U$ is.  Their agenda is to “free” animals from bondage. That means freeing pets from the people who love them…you!!!  Like your pet cat or dog?  H$U$ doesn’t.  They don’t want anyone to have pets.  Their position is spay and neuter all dogs and cats.  “One generation and out.”  Before you give your hard-earned money to either group, please realize they don’t have shelters.  They don’t give a crap about pets.  They want to legislate pets out of the reach of average owners.  And, they’re being quite successful.<br />
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759453</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whether or not PETA is ignorant is beside the point: Berman uses “terrorist” to slam non-violent advocacy of the mildest possible form.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your comment discusses your perception that PETA members who left the group for ALF did so because PETA “didn’t go far enough”.  From everything I’ve read, PETA is non-violent.  Conflating PETA’s actions with those of ALF is wholly misleading.  (I do not think your intent was to mislead, but I wish to be very clear about these matters).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a narrow level, I was not aware that PETA had conducted mass mink releases.  Regardless of who conducts such releases (I’m only aware of ELF/ALF releases), I agree that they do pose a very real risk of extirpatiing local popualtios of indigenous species.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On a broader level, the word “terrorist” is used the same way in which “anarchist” was used after the 1999 Seattle protests and “communist/ Bolshevik (?sp) / socialist” were (and are) used as epithets against progressives and other non-vient activists for social change.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Whatever ALF may or may not have done is wholly irrelevant to the fact that corporatists’ PR flacks (such as Berman) now deploy the “T-word” on behalf of megacorps seeking to deflect and thwart legitimate non-violent progressive adovacy and organizing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether or not PETA is ignorant is beside the point: Berman uses “terrorist” to slam non-violent advocacy of the mildest possible form.</p>
<p>Your comment discusses your perception that PETA members who left the group for ALF did so because PETA “didn’t go far enough”.  From everything I’ve read, PETA is non-violent.  Conflating PETA’s actions with those of ALF is wholly misleading.  (I do not think your intent was to mislead, but I wish to be very clear about these matters).</p>
<p>On a narrow level, I was not aware that PETA had conducted mass mink releases.  Regardless of who conducts such releases (I’m only aware of ELF/ALF releases), I agree that they do pose a very real risk of extirpatiing local popualtios of indigenous species.</p>
<p>On a broader level, the word “terrorist” is used the same way in which “anarchist” was used after the 1999 Seattle protests and “communist/ Bolshevik (?sp) / socialist” were (and are) used as epithets against progressives and other non-vient activists for social change.</p>
<p>Whatever ALF may or may not have done is wholly irrelevant to the fact that corporatists’ PR flacks (such as Berman) now deploy the “T-word” on behalf of megacorps seeking to deflect and thwart legitimate non-violent progressive adovacy and organizing.</p>
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		<title>By: Euler</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759283</link>
		<dc:creator>Euler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 20:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cute puppies in the picture.  I have another, less pressing, question regarding the current state of American policy.  What kind of scumbag would brand an entire country as a terrorist state based on lies regarding ties to 9/11 and lies regarding “weapons of mass death?”  That’s right, George W. Bush, Congress, U.S. media, and a majority of Americans.  Yay!  We’re war criminals!  We’re Americans, we like trying new things!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cute puppies in the picture.  I have another, less pressing, question regarding the current state of American policy.  What kind of scumbag would brand an entire country as a terrorist state based on lies regarding ties to 9/11 and lies regarding “weapons of mass death?”  That’s right, George W. Bush, Congress, U.S. media, and a majority of Americans.  Yay!  We’re war criminals!  We’re Americans, we like trying new things!</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759151</link>
		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well I think Berman’s an industry shill…but PETA is often times very ignorant in their efforts…and actions these have killed animals (e.g. mass-releasing mink into the wild which likely killed not only the mink, but the local small bird and mammal life in the forest habitat). Granted these mink were doomed, but I don’t see that this was very logical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve also had some contact with more extreme members of ALF…some that were in PETA but left because it “didn’t go far enough”. These folks are generally recognized as having burnt down an animal Veterinary caretaking facility at UC Davis’ Primate Center several decades ago…they’ve talked about doing it…and other acts (they tend to get involved with other groups…always suggesting more violent activities than the founders and the other members of the groups want).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the Humane Society has never done anything quite like this, ASFAIK. In fact, they generally support spaying…and the improvement of ASPCA/ local Animal Management facilities to improve the lives of animals in confinement.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I think Berman’s an industry shill…but PETA is often times very ignorant in their efforts…and actions these have killed animals (e.g. mass-releasing mink into the wild which likely killed not only the mink, but the local small bird and mammal life in the forest habitat). Granted these mink were doomed, but I don’t see that this was very logical.</p>
<p>I’ve also had some contact with more extreme members of ALF…some that were in PETA but left because it “didn’t go far enough”. These folks are generally recognized as having burnt down an animal Veterinary caretaking facility at UC Davis’ Primate Center several decades ago…they’ve talked about doing it…and other acts (they tend to get involved with other groups…always suggesting more violent activities than the founders and the other members of the groups want).</p>
<p>But the Humane Society has never done anything quite like this, ASFAIK. In fact, they generally support spaying…and the improvement of ASPCA/ local Animal Management facilities to improve the lives of animals in confinement.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759020</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk James Murphy, M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Top o the morning, pups.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Please digg this post!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top o the morning, pups.</p>
<p>Please digg this post!</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759005</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Email me so I don’t miss it I’m on the fdl facebook site as ThingsComeUndone&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Email me so I don’t miss it I’m on the fdl facebook site as ThingsComeUndone</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1759000</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;here here!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here here!</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1758998</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Diary!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diary!</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/what-scumbag-would-call-the-humane-society-terrorists-rick-berman/#comment-1758997</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/republicans-take-away-the-car-keys/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Glenn’s up&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Republicans: “Take Away the Car Keys”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/republicans-take-away-the-car-keys/" rel="nofollow">Glenn’s up</a><br />
Republicans: “Take Away the Car Keys”</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Their silence gives us an opening to discredit them if we can get airtime.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their silence gives us an opening to discredit them if we can get airtime.</p>
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