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	<title>Comments on: Odierno on SOFA Deadlines &#8211; Psyche!</title>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759897</link>
		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bishop Berkeley suggested&lt;/a&gt; that the object a person perceives is the only object that the person knows and experiences. If individuals need to speak at all of the “real” or “material” object, the latter in particular being a confused term that Berkeley sought to dispose of, it is this perceived object to which all such names should exclusively refer..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In other words, the tangible is actually illusion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can’t say the same about blood and treasure, though. Or are you?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Berkeley" rel="nofollow">Bishop Berkeley suggested</a> that the object a person perceives is the only object that the person knows and experiences. If individuals need to speak at all of the “real” or “material” object, the latter in particular being a confused term that Berkeley sought to dispose of, it is this perceived object to which all such names should exclusively refer..</p>
<p>In other words, the tangible is actually illusion.</p>
<p>Can’t say the same about blood and treasure, though. Or are you?</p>
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		<title>By: Stormcrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stormcrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 07:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Would you folks please settle down and think a little bit before you get yourselves spun up over things like this?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jeeze.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Look, for all intents and purposes (except those of press parasites, war profiteers, and neocons standing for re-election), the Iraq War has been effectively over for the last two years.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who won?  Iran, of course, for the same sort of reasons that France won the Thirty Years’ War.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only reason our troops are still there is because a plurality of the Shiite factions who are running most of Iraq these days want them there.  After all, the United States was no end of help during the ethnic cleaning of Baghdad two years ago.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;American soldiers can be very useful.  If you’re a Shiite faction leader.  They can be used for all sorts of unpleasant tasks that would otherwise cut into your own fighting strength, and make you unnecessarily hated by the other factions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Our people are going to remain there until the Shiites decide they no longer have any real use for us.  At which point, they will either pack up and leave, or they’ll be ejected, mostly dead.  In the second case, of course, the cost’ll run into the hundreds of thousands of locals.  At minimum.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I don’t think that cost will matter very much to the people on top of the heap over there.  It never has in decades past.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you folks please settle down and think a little bit before you get yourselves spun up over things like this?</p>
<p>Jeeze.</p>
<p>Look, for all intents and purposes (except those of press parasites, war profiteers, and neocons standing for re-election), the Iraq War has been effectively over for the last two years.</p>
<p>Who won?  Iran, of course, for the same sort of reasons that France won the Thirty Years’ War.</p>
<p>The only reason our troops are still there is because a plurality of the Shiite factions who are running most of Iraq these days want them there.  After all, the United States was no end of help during the ethnic cleaning of Baghdad two years ago.</p>
<p>American soldiers can be very useful.  If you’re a Shiite faction leader.  They can be used for all sorts of unpleasant tasks that would otherwise cut into your own fighting strength, and make you unnecessarily hated by the other factions.</p>
<p>Our people are going to remain there until the Shiites decide they no longer have any real use for us.  At which point, they will either pack up and leave, or they’ll be ejected, mostly dead.  In the second case, of course, the cost’ll run into the hundreds of thousands of locals.  At minimum.</p>
<p>But I don’t think that cost will matter very much to the people on top of the heap over there.  It never has in decades past.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759690</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe we could send these shoes&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIEnnzsBJ-Q&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIEnnzsBJ-Q&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we could send these shoes<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIEnnzsBJ-Q" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIEnnzsBJ-Q</a></p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759681</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PW’s up with &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/supporting-the-troops-2/#respond&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Supporting the Troops?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PW’s up with <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/supporting-the-troops-2/#respond" rel="nofollow">Supporting the Troops?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759679</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Does Jim Webb still wear his son’s boots, or might he be willing to donate them to the Bush Library?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Jim Webb still wear his son’s boots, or might he be willing to donate them to the Bush Library?</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759672</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Like a shoe in the face!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like a shoe in the face!</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759671</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:05:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Those in the military with this kind of mindset are the equivalent of the corporate CEOs who are constantly angling for the short-term benefit and ignoring the long term consequences. “One president at a time” is true, but the difference between Jan 19 and Jan 21 will come a something of a shock to Odierno.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those in the military with this kind of mindset are the equivalent of the corporate CEOs who are constantly angling for the short-term benefit and ignoring the long term consequences. “One president at a time” is true, but the difference between Jan 19 and Jan 21 will come a something of a shock to Odierno.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759669</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I saw that on 60 Minutes.  Leslie Stahl couldn’t keep herself from trying to shout Barney down when he said things she didn’t agree with.  I would imagine that when she said, “You think I don’t know what I’m talking about?” and he replied, “Yes” her Rethug ego took a huge hit.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that on 60 Minutes.  Leslie Stahl couldn’t keep herself from trying to shout Barney down when he said things she didn’t agree with.  I would imagine that when she said, “You think I don’t know what I’m talking about?” and he replied, “Yes” her Rethug ego took a huge hit.</p>
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		<title>By: siri</title>
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		<dc:creator>siri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you Siun.&lt;br /&gt;
and &lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/politics/Odierno_on_SOFA_Deadlines_Psyche&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DUGG!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Siun.<br />
and <a href="http://digg.com/politics/Odierno_on_SOFA_Deadlines_Psyche" rel="nofollow">DUGG!<br /></a></p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/odierno-on-sofa-deadlines-psyche/#comment-1759666</link>
		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The military seems to be taking clear advantage of this “we only have one president at a time” goodwill.  Which, as Barney Frank pointed out, significantly overcalculates, given the current situation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The military seems to be taking clear advantage of this “we only have one president at a time” goodwill.  Which, as Barney Frank pointed out, significantly overcalculates, given the current situation.</p>
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