i agree!

Is exposure so that the nation as a whole can come to its own conclusions about wrongdoing enough?

with your previous observations:

For exposure of misdeeds to have any punitive sting, those responsible for the bad acts must have the capacity to feel shame and remorse for their conduct. Otherwise, what you have is an empty exposure of some true believer behavior, and no real punishment as a result.

We have now had 7 years of our AGs and the thousands and thousands of employees of DOJ all either affirmatively advocating for the behaviour that took place, or sitting silent and showing up to work every day for torturers. We’ve had talk radio, FOX, CNN and the the “other” big three of ABC, CBS and NBC making sure that they are “balanced” between calling torture murders and child disappearances and kidnapping stray Canadians as either “enhanced interrogations determined to be lawful by the DOJ” or “questioning of terrorists that saved the nation” or “working closely with unlikely allies”

It’s ingrained now.

If you send children through 7 years of school, telling them that national securty requires that they all gang up and kill the weakest in the class and stew them up for a year end festival, they aren’t going to be very likely to feel shame when it is “exposed” by a news service that … reiterate that killing off the weak children and stewing them up is done because it is necessary for national security.

The press is either “saving up” for their own book deals, putting info out way too late to do anything other than line some personal pockets, or they are getting cut as new services fail, or they are owned by the same Dem interests (like Chuck Schumer – who went out of his way to advocate for torture and who is now meeting with corporate America and reassuring them that if they line his pockets work closely with him, they won’t have to worry about crazy liberal crap from the Dems.

Oh well, not to worry – we have Clinton (whose husband’s administration started up some of the extraordinary rendition to torture) for Sec of State and Holder, who went on nat news and made sure, post-9/11, that they knew that Dems were in favor of neverending military detentions of anyone that tickled a President’s fancy.

As long as I make a 180 first, I can look forward to all the change.

And also protect the records, while allowing investigative access to anyone with a legitimate reason for examining them. Block for the time being anyone accused of a potentially criminal act access to government positions or contracts…unless they are willing to undergo an “impeachment” trial. Then those that are convicted can be placed before a criminal hearing.

I recall the comments I read during the run-up to Nov 4, of those who worked for Obama registering voters, knocking on doors, day after day. As well as those of us who contributed money to his campaign.

I immediately thought of you as a group when I found the following quote by Gandhi when he was asked, “Where are you going?” Gandhi answered, “There go my people, I must run to catch up with them, for I am their leader.”