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	<title>Comments on: Inhofe Plays while the Boxer&#8217;s Away</title>
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		<title>By: kraftysue</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759704</link>
		<dc:creator>kraftysue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 03:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;INHOFE should visit the island of Kiribati in the S. Pacific featured on the PBS show NOW Friday. Its 100,000 inhabitants are losing their island, the palm trees are dying due to the salt water flooding over their roots, the wells are fouled with salt water.  The president is a US educated economist is trying to get the attention of the UN without successs and the S Pacific Group are ignoring the problem. The president is trying to figure out what to do with his people as it is predicted the whole island will be underwater within 20 yrs. He is making plans to declare his people global refugees. Experts say even if you could suddenly accomplish 0 % emmisions, it wouldn’t be in time to save Kiribati. Watch this show–it is very educational.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>INHOFE should visit the island of Kiribati in the S. Pacific featured on the PBS show NOW Friday. Its 100,000 inhabitants are losing their island, the palm trees are dying due to the salt water flooding over their roots, the wells are fouled with salt water.  The president is a US educated economist is trying to get the attention of the UN without successs and the S Pacific Group are ignoring the problem. The president is trying to figure out what to do with his people as it is predicted the whole island will be underwater within 20 yrs. He is making plans to declare his people global refugees. Experts say even if you could suddenly accomplish 0 % emmisions, it wouldn’t be in time to save Kiribati. Watch this show–it is very educational.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759640</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, I don’t want to persecute anyone for being wrong.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s why I tried to say deliberate, malicious use of misinformation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We’re all wrong a great deal of the time.&lt;br /&gt;
But an oil company that deliberately sets up and funds a ‘think tank’ in order to give false respectability to information they themselves know to be bogus ought to be prosecuted for fraud — and worse, if it leads to floods, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because we all make errors, and we expect those to occur, ‘real’ scientists value peer-reviewed works, blind studies, etc.  Because that best ‘vets’ the information.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the bogus pseudo-climate change outfits that are funded deliberately in order to either confuse people, or else to spread false info… those people need to be prosecuted.  Because they cause widespread harm, and clearly we can’t rely on their own consciences to stop them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;People who make errors will correct themselves.&lt;br /&gt;
People who profit from spreading false arguments that are designed for their own convenience should face penalties.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I don’t want to persecute anyone for being wrong.<br />
That’s why I tried to say deliberate, malicious use of misinformation.</p>
<p>We’re all wrong a great deal of the time.<br />
But an oil company that deliberately sets up and funds a ‘think tank’ in order to give false respectability to information they themselves know to be bogus ought to be prosecuted for fraud — and worse, if it leads to floods, etc.</p>
<p>Because we all make errors, and we expect those to occur, ‘real’ scientists value peer-reviewed works, blind studies, etc.  Because that best ‘vets’ the information.</p>
<p>But the bogus pseudo-climate change outfits that are funded deliberately in order to either confuse people, or else to spread false info… those people need to be prosecuted.  Because they cause widespread harm, and clearly we can’t rely on their own consciences to stop them.</p>
<p>People who make errors will correct themselves.<br />
People who profit from spreading false arguments that are designed for their own convenience should face penalties.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759621</link>
		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 02:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My son who lives in FL has a generator in case of power outages. They all love fish and he has one of his freezers dedicated to fish. He goes fishing several times a year. Here I don’t need to worry about that at least for tonight. It is supposed to get to -11.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My son who lives in FL has a generator in case of power outages. They all love fish and he has one of his freezers dedicated to fish. He goes fishing several times a year. Here I don’t need to worry about that at least for tonight. It is supposed to get to -11.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759617</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My friend in Houston keeps her freezer low during hurricane season. My lifestyle would make it impractical to do that during seasons with high probability of electrical outage. The saving grace is that in the 29 years I’ve owned the house, the longest outage has been less than 24 hours. And it seems to be improving. More attention to branches overhanging wires, or more buried wires, I’m hoping.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend in Houston keeps her freezer low during hurricane season. My lifestyle would make it impractical to do that during seasons with high probability of electrical outage. The saving grace is that in the 29 years I’ve owned the house, the longest outage has been less than 24 hours. And it seems to be improving. More attention to branches overhanging wires, or more buried wires, I’m hoping.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759616</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;freezer contents are outside on the northside of house and still frozen solid. but now that it’s warming up, it will be a race to see if the power gets turned on in time. biggest problem though was the 3 holes in my roof from some big branches that fell on it. but they are gone and holes are temporarily patched - rain due tomorrow so that is a big relief.  was kinda scary while the storm was happening, but all neighbors and pets are ok and i have some of the best neighbors. glad you are fine. hope all fdlers in the NE are also ok or coping….. gotta go now….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freezer contents are outside on the northside of house and still frozen solid. but now that it’s warming up, it will be a race to see if the power gets turned on in time. biggest problem though was the 3 holes in my roof from some big branches that fell on it. but they are gone and holes are temporarily patched &#8211; rain due tomorrow so that is a big relief.  was kinda scary while the storm was happening, but all neighbors and pets are ok and i have some of the best neighbors. glad you are fine. hope all fdlers in the NE are also ok or coping….. gotta go now….</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759614</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Think about the unintended consequences of making scientific disputes criminal acts. There have been plenty of occassions in the past when the majority of scientists have been wrong. Do you really want to go back to the days of Gallileo?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about the unintended consequences of making scientific disputes criminal acts. There have been plenty of occassions in the past when the majority of scientists have been wrong. Do you really want to go back to the days of Gallileo?</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759612</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Precisely: the flawed reasoning of bogus compromises.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely: the flawed reasoning of bogus compromises.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759611</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;There is a frustration … as hinted (talked to) that, yet again, Inhofe/Morano have been able to use their committee slot (MINORITY, that is) to put out false information and, well, where’s the Majority voice? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, I don’t dispute you on this point for an instant!&lt;br /&gt;
In fact, I actually think given the risks of global warming that the pseudo-scientists, as well as anyone like Inhofe who DELIBERATELY perpetuates bogus, inaccurate stuff and makes it look ’sciencish’ ought to be charged with a felony.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we take it as a fact that knowingly providing false information is fraudulent, and that perpetuating (financial) fraud is a felony, then electeds who fail to do their homework (or fail to rely on CREDIBLE) sources) should be charged with fraud, and subject to penalties including loss of income, and even imprisonment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Until that occurs, these ideologues and paid assets will continue, because nothing and no one is calling them to account.  Except FDL.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But there needs to be a way within the legal system to bring people in for perpetuating false, bogus information.  Because they’ve done a world of harm, and they’ve done it with malice aforethought, and deliberately, and intentionally.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is a frustration … as hinted (talked to) that, yet again, Inhofe/Morano have been able to use their committee slot (MINORITY, that is) to put out false information and, well, where’s the Majority voice? </p>
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<p>Oh, I don’t dispute you on this point for an instant!<br />
In fact, I actually think given the risks of global warming that the pseudo-scientists, as well as anyone like Inhofe who DELIBERATELY perpetuates bogus, inaccurate stuff and makes it look ’sciencish’ ought to be charged with a felony.</p>
<p>If we take it as a fact that knowingly providing false information is fraudulent, and that perpetuating (financial) fraud is a felony, then electeds who fail to do their homework (or fail to rely on CREDIBLE) sources) should be charged with fraud, and subject to penalties including loss of income, and even imprisonment.</p>
<p>Until that occurs, these ideologues and paid assets will continue, because nothing and no one is calling them to account.  Except FDL.</p>
<p>But there needs to be a way within the legal system to bring people in for perpetuating false, bogus information.  Because they’ve done a world of harm, and they’ve done it with malice aforethought, and deliberately, and intentionally.</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759610</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh, so you lost power in the ice storm? I lucked out with no major disruptions. Some flooding. Hope your freezer contents survive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;((((selise))))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so you lost power in the ice storm? I lucked out with no major disruptions. Some flooding. Hope your freezer contents survive.</p>
<p>((((selise))))</p>
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		<title>By: eCAHNomics</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/14/inhofe-plays-while-the-boxers-away/#comment-1759609</link>
		<dc:creator>eCAHNomics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Taking to the streets is a sometime, but rare, spur to change. And there’s a huge downside risk. Still reading Nixonland, but a major theme is that the Rs rose to power on the backlash of the 60s and 70s demonstrations.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Granted, those were much more militant than the ones you cite, but anytime a large number of people get together to protest, you run the risk of crowd psychology getting out of control, and then you’ve lost the 90% of the population who are law &amp; order.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then there were gigantic anti-war demonstrations prior to the Iraq war, with exactly zero influence.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m not saying that demonstrations should not be in our arsenal. I am saying it’s a weak weapon and one that can easily be turned against us.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taking to the streets is a sometime, but rare, spur to change. And there’s a huge downside risk. Still reading Nixonland, but a major theme is that the Rs rose to power on the backlash of the 60s and 70s demonstrations.</p>
<p>Granted, those were much more militant than the ones you cite, but anytime a large number of people get together to protest, you run the risk of crowd psychology getting out of control, and then you’ve lost the 90% of the population who are law &amp; order.</p>
<p>And then there were gigantic anti-war demonstrations prior to the Iraq war, with exactly zero influence.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that demonstrations should not be in our arsenal. I am saying it’s a weak weapon and one that can easily be turned against us.</p>
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