Good Morning Zed!

Hey, I don’t want to sound like a broken record but stimulus to a dying patient offers them some sort of drugged up sense of euphoria before the lights go out.

We don’t need stimulus, We need a complete new economic system and these “economists” and experts are resisting that with every bone in their body.

This puppy’s more than broken and need of repair. This one’s a total write off.

Another case of the extreme right and extreme left meeting on an end run?

Morning All,
Guess all the congress critters are starting their 25 day paid Christmas vacation. Time for an ammendment to the constitution. All members of congress shall be paid at a rate equall to the lowest paid foreign car manufacturer on a per hour worked basis.

Congress can vote itself a raise anytime it wants. Most people would love to have their pension plan. I think it’s time to start addressing whether or not they deserve their pension and health plans. If they want the average Americans, to forego or reduce their pensions and benefits, they need to lead by example.

Is there anything in the Constitution that says that people in Congress who are obviously dangerous to the health and well-being of the country can be taken into custody? Because these guys, just because they so love to play chicken with the rest of us..and the rest of the world…need this. Right now.

Good doG, Major @sshole on C-span. Newtered Gingrich, hawking his book Drill here Drill now that we could. make oodles of money.

Harry Reid voted against the automotive bailout bill according to a roll-call vote posted last night by CTuttle. I really don’t understand that.

He was touting clean coal. Hopefully Santa leaves him a stocking filled with clean coal this Christmas.

So, we should be thankful to Corker & company for administering the medicine we all need? I gues, in your view we need to stop pissing and moaning and just relish the collapse.

On a brighter note, Smithfield workers vote to unionize NC plant.

He switched his vote in order to be able to bring it back up at a future date.

It’s a procedural thing. Party leaders on the losing side often change their vote to the majority so that they can retain the right to bring the issue back up. It’s unlikely Harry will bring this one back up, but by voting no he preserved the chance. If he would have been the 60th vote, he would have voted yes.

Solidarity Forever

Thanks, SD. Obviously the murky machinations of the Senate are far beyond my ken.

How do you check if there’s been stock activity on the part of a member of congress? For some reason I suspect that in some scummy way the Repugs are playing the stock market for their own benifit.

Gov Charlie Crist is getting married this evening. He will a large group of uninvited guests gathering in Williams Park in St Pete across from the Methodist church where the ceremony will take place. A coalition of peace and rights groups will be gathering to protest Amendment 2, our equivalent of CA’s Prop H8.

I have to thank selise and eCahn for making me watch all those damn hearings when I was out with a cold. It’s their fault. *g*

If the futures quotes from early trading today worldwide are any indication the greedy Rethugs’ portfolios are gonna be taking some huge hits.

The whole notion that companies need to bne profitable is a capitalist myth. The profits, which is all these guys care about is distributed to management, and shareholders / owners. No profits, no need for shares and stocks and stock markets and traders and so forth.

Why can’t there be a model where a company produces to meet demand and hires or fires to match the damnd? And how about suporting the workers who actually DO the production as opposed to squeezing every ounce out of them?

If GM fails is their a possibility the workers, retirees and UAW can get pick GM for cheap and get rid of management? ANd BO give the loan to them Jan 20?

A motion to reconsider has to be brought up by someone who has voted that way.

Why can’t there be a model where a company produces to meet demand and hires or fires to match the demand?

There was. It was called communism. How well did that work out?

Many retirees would donate their time and go in and help retool for the more efficent cars. They are the ones with decades of experience with the dies and machines and can get that job done right.

Quite a rogues gallery on WJ this morning. McCaffrey was prior guest.

The mad fools really did it this time. American conservatism was always a southern grudge disguised as a philosophy and the senate vote just proved
that. The second great depression will educate a new generation in the cold
reality of republican government at a terrible cost to us all. The south
has always been deadweight in the american experiment, no further proof is
required beyond this. Let the next campaign start with this as the core
strategy, recreate the social contract.

It’s possible but where are they going to get the money? Bullethead Paulson is giving money to the big investment banks but they aren’t lending any out.

It is going out the bank back door into the hedge funds where it disappears.

All the markets down last night. Why is Japan’s market down? Seems if the would think the big 3 going down would be good for them yet their stock went down 5.6%.

The FTSE 100 of leading British shares was down 127.87 points, or 2.9 percent, at 4,260.82, while Germany’s DAX fell 185.22 points, or 3.9 percent, to 4,581.98. The CAC-40 in France fell 130.48 points, or 4.0 percent, to 3,175.65.

Earlier, Asian markets tumbled, with Japan’s Nikkei 225 stock average down 484.68 points, or 5.6

percent,

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..ld_markets

Bingo. Now I understand. Thanks FHM.

Good morning,
Ian’s up with three ways Obama can save 3 auto million jobs

Does any one have a link to who votes and who didn’t vote?

Yours is not at new theory. It’s been around at least since 1867. It, or some variation, may result if our current efforts to produce a fair prosperous society do collapse as you indicate. Other possibilities are facism, a return to feudalism, or anarchy. Many of us would continue to hope, for the good of our children, that the present system can work.

Do you think the leaders of these countries that the markets went down in is on the phone asking Bush to get this deal done? WOuld he listen to those he borrowed money from like Japan?

Roll-call vote.

For those of us who grew up sneaking peeks at our dad’s pinup mags, the queen of them all, Bettie Page, died yesterday at 85. RIP Bettie.

Lisa D has a nice post up too.

Corkers on CNBC, when he first came on CNBC listed him as Bob Casey, Dem.
And their not putting Corkers name up for very long.

If GM goes bankrupt it will be here in Mi?

Corker asked if the Rep party is ready to own this problem if bad things happen? Corker says do we own it or does the UAW own it?

Corker you have just drown your party further.

Thank you.

COmmunism has not been properly tried. USSR is not a good example, nor is china.

I see by the numbers that Snarlin’ Arlen was lyin’ through his teeth when he said if all the Dems have voted Yea it would have passed. I see only 4 Dems in the No column, counting Reid’s switched vote. Where the hell was Kerry?

The present system has way too many flaws which favor the rich and the investor class, the capitalist class at the behest of the working and middle calss.

The present system will CONTINUE to tilt toward capital.

The present system needs to be scraped and one of equity and fairness instead.

Lenin did try but when he died any attempt at communism died. It became a failed ideology at that point and will never work.

COmmunism has not been properly tried.

One could make the same argument about Capitalism (not that I’d be inclined to do so, but some would). In my view, it makes little sense to talk about the viability of a theoretical abstraction. The only thing that matters is “how it plays” in the real world once human frailties and tendencies have been factored in.

Frankly, the ideologues of one line philosopy/religion or another, who insist of forcing manking into the square holes of their abstract construction, have caused most of the bloodshed, starvation, and inhumanity which mankind has indured. Marx believed his system would occur inevitably. If it does it does. But constant proselytizing for it is a tiresome as the free market capitalist ranting, the fundamentalist Muslim or Christian spiels, or any other dogmatic theories. People can’t even make these doctrinaire ideas work in their own lives, and they want to insist on them for all mankind.

Agreed. If we had a state controlled economy and manufacturing base where would the incentive to create new products come from? Without a profit motive why bother I think would be the predominant attitude. People don’t want to work just in order to subsist. Once the electronic genie was let out of the bottle there’s no stuffing it back in.

Amen. Well said.

Well said.

Thanks for the link, SD. With each new manipulation by the Cult of The Stupid we move closer to the return of those scenes depicted in the photos at your link. I love old Pete Seeger. He suffered greatly for standing up for the human rights of workers. Do we have anyone today who can pick up his banner in the days ahead?

Annie DeFranco and others. Usually gotta have access to a community radio station to hear them, however. We’re gonna miss Utah Phillips. Not many icons have his charisma. We need good storytellers.

Just remembered, wasn’t Utah Phillips on Amy Goodman a couple months ago?

Maybe Ken Burns should do a documentary on Busting the Unions (or has he done so and I missed it?)

I opened the DIGG and left a comment there. Come on, pups, Blue Texan makes our searching easy for us every day. How about showing our support??