It isn’t often I find myself agreeing with those at the Peter G. Peterson Institute, a Concord Coalition-esque outfit that preaches the virtue of lower federal spending.
Writing in the Daily Beast, the Institute’s Steven R. Weisman is a wee bit worried that bankrupting Detroit could trigger a global economic meltdown. Of course the Institute was founded by a billion dollar endowment from Peterson himself, who made his money when his Blackstone Private Equity Group went public. Evidently sending the stock market spiraling into the shitter could cause the kind of personal belt tightening they willingly impose on others but aren’t too interested in sucking up themselves.
Anyway, Weisman recounts the tale of Gerald Ford and the imminent New York City bankruptcy of 1975. When the City implored the federal government to help them out, Ford’s response was reminiscent of the neo-Hooverian cold shoulder being turned by culture warriors Richard Shelby and Bob Corker toward Detroit.
His speech denying federal loans that would keep the city from defaulting on its debt triggered the famous New York Daily News headline, Ford to City: Drop Dead.
But Ford’s tune changed dramatically after a trip to Europe, just as New York was preparing to file bankruptcy:
Shortly after giving his speech, just before Thanksgiving, President Ford traveled to Rambouillet, an 18th century chateau outside Paris for the world’s first economic summit, summoned by President Valery Giscard d’Estaing to deal with the worldwide downturn. Arthur Burns, chairman of the Federal Reserve, attending the Rambouillet summit with Ford, asked both Giscard and Chancellor Helmut Schmidt of Germany what they thought if the city that served as the capital of global finance went bankrupt.
"The answer was loud and clear," recalls Felix G. Rohatyn, the investment banker who helped engineer the New York City rescue, and who later served as an ambassador to France under President Clinton. "The European leaders felt that a bankruptcy of New York City was unthinkable."
Rohatyn, who heard about this conversation from key participants on both sides of the Atlantic, says that Giscard and Schmidt told Burns that a New York City bankruptcy would be seen as a bankruptcy of America itself, causing a run on the dollar and extreme difficulties for leading American financial institutions.
Soon after Rambouillet, the Ford administration softened its opposition to helping New York City.
As Weisman points out, there were many inside Ford’s inner circle — like Paul Volker — who were arguing that New York, like the Detroit automakers now, had done much to get their financial house in order once they saw trouble on the horizon.
And he believes that we simply can’t predict what will happen if the automakers are allowed to fall into bankruptcy:
Even today you can argue that what New York City went through was a virtual bankruptcy and a "cram down" of sacrifices. The "moratorium" on the debt principal was the equivalent of the default everyone tried to avoid.
But what was avoided was something unknown. I wouldn’t argue today that banks around the world would be threatened by a bankruptcy of the American auto industry. Indeed, some European leaders are warning that a federal rescue of Detroit would be seen as "protectionist," necessitating retaliatory trade steps in Europe. There is another crucial difference between a city and car companies. While going through a painful contraction, New York City got away with delivering fewer services to its customers. The auto industry would have to make cars that Americans still wanted to buy.
But who can be sure that if the Big Three automakers go down, it won’t be like Lehman Brothers earlier this year, with surprising impacts around the world and at home? Would a default of the auto companies lead to collapses of countless suppliers and businesses around the country, or to Michigan and other states, or to financial institutions connected to them?
In his 1980 book on the city’s fiscal crisis, "The Cost of Good Intentions," the author Charles R. Morris—who more recently warned of a global meltdown because of subprime mortgages—was fascinated by the subject of why everyone in the middle of the crisis had difficulty understanding what was happening around them. "Maybe we were dumb," Beame’s deputy mayor, James Cavanagh, famously stated after the city’s brush with financial ruin, "but nobody else seems to have understood what was happening either."
Then as now, an aphorism from Felix Rohatyn would seem to apply. Never place a bet that you can’t afford to lose.
I realize the Democrats are at a disadvantage in this case — they want to save the auto industry, yet time limitations mean they must appease a President and at least four Republican Senators who will not be returning to office next year (Sununu, Smith, Dole and Stevens — Coleman is still TBD).
But before they give in to the demands of Shelby, Corker and other red state senators who foolishly think they will gain something if they force Detroit into bankruptcy as the price of a bridge loan, I hope that Democratic leadership makes them filibuster. Then we can all watch as the stock market careens in the wake of their fiscal stupidity and insufferable bloviating, and see where the true suicidal wankery lies.
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What did they put in the DC Dems water supply starting in the mid-1990s, after Clinton called Newt’s “shut down the government” bluff?
Or, to switch analogies, why don’t the Dems have any good poker players, even when they choose their Senate leader from Nevada?
Stevens is still working?
MaryCh:
It is obvioius Reid never actually goes into a casino. He’d lose his shirt. Obama is supposed to be a top notch poker player. Sadly, he didn’t lead on anything in the Senate. Hopefully Obama is doing stuff behind the scenes.
Yeah!! Didn’t you see that “Diapers” Vitter was one of the Republicans main point men yesterday? Talk about weird.
Well the problem we have now is the shelby, corker et al of their ilk are fucking idiots. They’d probably be more than willing to chance a global depression for the chance to destroy the UAW. As for this:
But before they give in to the demands of Shelby, Corker and other red state senators who foolishly think they will gain something if they force Detroit into bankruptcy as the price of a bridge loan, I hope that Democratic leadership makes them filibuster. Then we can all watch as the stock market careens in the wake of their fiscal stupidity and insufferable bloviating, and see where the true suicidal wankery lies.
The dems are too cowardly to make them do this. Reid will just pull the legislation.
yeah.. between his “ass-backward” comment and Malkin making some type of comment about Vitter “girding the loins” of the rethug party, well… never mind. I’m really confused about Vitter (and Landrieu who said that she’s fence about it). Shreveport has a big GM plant that’s really struggling, and I’d like it would be in their state’s interests to support the bridge or at least not outwardly opposed to it. Are these rethugs so thoroughly innured to ideology that they’re prepared to basically screw their own states?
This is still the 110th Congress, so yes, Stevens is still working.
Begich takes office in January with the convening of the 111th Congress
fyi – whitehouse just starting a 15 min statement on auto industry bailout. cspan2
Jane,
This quote from Mitch McConnell from an AP story (via MSNBC), is, I’m sure, said with absolutely no irony:
oh I know that.. I was more wondering whether he was still bothering to show up to work. As a convicted felon who was thoroughly repudiated by his own constituents, I’d think he’d find it a better thing to go hide in a ditch somewhere. I also thought they kicked him out of his caucus.
Thanks. Almost caught the start.
whitehouse not speaking in support of changes to bankruptcy law so that a judge/court can make a decision to prevent forclosure.
our fault. bad design. every day we don’t pass durbin’s bill that foreclosure problem remains.
good on whitehouse.
whitehouse
notnow speakingi don’t understand the implications of what whitehouse is saying now about the bailouts and judicial process.
Given that Vitter and Craig are both still serving as well AND that there are enough questions about the actions of the prosecutors in the Stevens trial (deliberately tanking?), he can finesse things.
And I believe the “kicked out of the caucus” was effective if he had won re-election. I believe it was Chambliss who stated that he hoped Stevens had won the election but that he would then vote to expel Stevens from the Senate if he did. Obviously in hopes that Palin would get to appoint a replacement.
Too bad, Begich spoiled their plans.
The problem with the analogy is the republicans have issue what so ever with destroying this economy, they want robber baron economics and the destruction of our economy is part of their agenda
that’s a shame. Agree on Vitter and Craig, but their offenses were on a whole different order of magnitude. I didn’t think either of them deserved to be get kicked out of their caucus or get impeached for what they did.. although if they are real men, which they clearly are not, they should’ve had the decency to resign on their own. We all know the congressional rethugs are hypocrites.
With Stevens, I kinda assumed that he wasn’t bothering to come to work anymore, especially after he lost to Begich. I can’t imagine a whole lot of people would want to be seen caucusing or even conversing with the man.
Sounded to me like he wants to change the bankruptcy laws (Durbin’s bill?) in order to give the “car czar” the authority of a receiver so they have the power of the courts to enforce restructuring measures. Or, I could be clueless.
for selise at 12.
make that 14. sheesh.
I think that there was some discussion about the reluctance of some of the parties to the restructure to yield and that there would be some mechanism to compel. Saw something recently that GMAC investers were balking. Also a fear that the bondholders could file an action that the Government inserting itself in first position was tantamount to a taking.
*sigh* If only we had a real leader. . .
And Diaper Dave was the one who said “ass-backward.”
Reid must have been a real lousy wrestler
While watching the ad on youtube, it occurred to me that all it would take to make Detroit automakers profitable again is to resume production of their ‘65 product line.
That’s rich.
I didn’t think you could put a diaper on backwards.
I dunno, it might be like trying to pin a jellyfish.
and Malkin said that Vitter was “girding the loins” of the rethug party. These people really need to get their collective heads out of the anatomical gutter.
Oh, you’re killin’ me with the mental image of Reid in a wrestling unitard.
For sure you can’t carry as big a load that way.
I came across this story in Bloomberg in which Bernanke says the Fed will not intervene to help the auto industry. Apparently the failure of Lehman taught Bernanke exactly nothing, and he like Paulson are way too busy trying to keep the Ponzi scheme of the paper economy going to care about the real economy.
I thought their heads had taken up permanent residence in their “anatomical gutters.”
Depends. Badda boom.
My kids grew up in the era of cloth diapers – gosh they made great rags when they outgrew them.
Apropos of nothing, my hubby and I visited Rambouillet on our honeymoon and it is gorgeous. If you’re ever in the area it’s worth a visit, no other visitors while we were there. Amazing grounds, very wild and beautiful.
I am already sick of the Repubs as the annoying minority party and it’s not even 09 yet. They’re like little kids tattling on older siblings about everything, whether it’s damning or not. I’m hoping the rest of America sees them for what they are, pathetic.
Speaking of pathetic: Karl Rove on the GOP’s resurgence
http://online.wsj.com/article/…..lenews_wsj
Jane I am with you on this Harry the Boxer needs to force the Repukes to Filibuster this legislation so the whole country can watch as the economy tanks even further because they just want to Obstruct any legislation the Democrats try to pass. Besides why is this being called a Bailout when in fact it is a loan?? Sure pisses me off that MSM is still calling this a bailout of Detroit when they know very well that it is just a loan as was done for Chrysler back when. And the kicker is the tax payers made a profit on that loan. Theses Repukes just love the Lime light and with a Filibuster we will see just how far they have their heads up their collective asses!
I called Reid’s office to tell him to let them filibuster.
Reid has never given a good reason why he lets the rethugs control the Senate with their threats.
Also from Bloomberg, the American trade deficit widened. It is a question of falling demand. This could feed into a deflationary spiral as declining prices chase declining demand.
SD and foothillsmike – thanks. once whitehouse left the issue of home foreclosures and moved to the auto industry i couldn’t tell if he was talking about forcing the unions to back down or someone else. was doing something else though and only partially listening.
Hugh, I missed you on Jane’s last thread … what are the talking heads (Bartiromo et al) saying about this ?
Yes, I suggested this last night. Make them filibuster straight through Christmas. Unfortunately, this would take stones, something Reid has never seen and has certainly never possessed.
Heh. McCain’s answer to the “boxers or briefs?” question…
from CR (with nice charts for analysis): Initial Unemployment Claims Increases Sharply to 573 Thousand
Brilliant ! Mebbe Obama will make him do it …
I would agree except that I believe that a majority of Americans are now allergic to the word “bailout” and polls are showing circa 61% against it. Mssrs Corker and Shelby, whatever their sleazebag motivations, might just be able to pass themselves off as populists.
more nice (and scary) charts from CR: Fed: Household Percent Equity Cliff Diving
Some customers recently visited Daytona Beach from Northern Virginia. They were taken aback by the number of closed storefronts and lack of activity. They said that everything is busy as usual where they live – many in DC, with all its government employees, are insulated and unaware of the realities of this “economic downturn”.
This sentiment applies to the Aristocracy that is The US Congress. Not just the asshole Republicans, but Hairball Reid and others.
eCahn is the one who listens to CNBC. How she does it I don’t know. I don’t even have cable and would never waste my time listening to Bartiromo in any case. CNBC always struck me as a group of angry chattering monkeys.
corker and shelby ARE populists. and so long as the dems shun populism, they leave a vacuum that the rightwingnuts will try to fill. if they are successful we ain’t seen nothing yet (on the scale of how bad things can get).
LOL … that’s why I don’t watch CNBC or their
bought and paid forJournalists.levin now making a statement in support of the auto industry.
me: uh, levin? where the fuck were you when speculators were driving the price of oil sky high? don’t you think that might have affected the economy of the state you are supposed to represent?
which all told means that, on this issue, forcing this to a filibuster has no particular advantage for us. The rethugs have public opinion, however misguided and uninformed that public opinion is, on their side.
Yep … and when the Big3 Execs were pointing to their sales charts and saying, “See, Murkans want gas guzzlers !”
blue texan up: Republican Senator Admits Opposition to Auto Bill is All About Union Busting, Compares UAW to Parasites
Redneck Schadenfreude. Everybody hates unions. They all have stories of past union excesses. The MSM controls the dialogue. What are the true wages of a Hyundai worker in Alabama and his GM counterpart?
The MSM does not want to tell the public. We cannot have that public dialogue no matter how pertinent it is to the issue. It should be central to the discussion. It is totally absent instead.
i disagree. a filibuster is a chance to make the case – the populist case – to the american public, while showing what the uncertainty does to the markets, etc.
yeah. i know. in my dreams.
There are some strange parallels to the FISA situation from this summer. As I see it, the Dems arguably should be willing to give in on almost anything that’s not irreversible (which is why the FISA result was so wrong), because as long as they get through the short term, they’ll be able to work out something much better in a six weeks.
The Republicans know this, too, so they presumably are operating under the assumption that if they don’t get something irreversible that screws the unions, they’ve lost. In addition, they’re willing to play Russian roulette with the economy, because they have an ideology that says it’s not their fault if it collapses. (Whether or not they really believe it, a good portion of their base does, and they’ve been feeding them “no bailout” BS for three months now.) On the other hand, most of them are smart enough to know that with an economic collapse that obviously started under Bush, Republicans outside the Deep South are going to be doomed no matter how loudly they shout that it’s all because of the “Democrat” Congress, government regulation, and overpaid union labor.
I guess my point is just that conditions make the negotiating tactics even stranger than usual.
Yeah, I think the message that Republicans want to destroy the US economy for partisan gain would resonate. Also the line: An autoworker’s job lost today, yours tomorrow.
Well, we’re not completely insulated here in Northern Virginia — there are a couple of houses in foreclosure in my neighborhood, and all the local governments are publicly in crisis because of the crash in property taxes. But it’s certainly the case that government has been the main growth sector for the past eight years (which would be ironic if not for the hypocrisy), and empty office buildings aren’t nearly as obvious as empty storefronts.
some good youtubes of work conditions at various locations throughout the country… the unions could be leading in this… i don’t know why they aren’t – didn’t they just spend tens of millions on electing dems? why not work that hard to protect workers?
I’m not that optimistic about the American people. Shelby and Corker will stand up and act like all-American heroes and we look like corporate tools of Mulally, Wagoner et al.
Actually, I’m not sure that’s true. An NBC poll cited by Rachel Maddow had 46 in favor and 42 opposed (contrasted to 2-1 against the financial bailout.) I haven’t been able to find the exact wording of the poll, but based on Rachel’s summary, respondents were asked about “the government providing emergency loans to the car industry,” which is obviously going to poll better than “bailout.” But since that wording is actually true, it does suggest that the public support is there if they do their jobs and explain it, rather than pretending that public opinion is something they can only react to, rather than shaping.
well, the only way to know is to do the experiment. but i’m with redshift, i don’t think it’s impossible at all. especially as no one is making the case and still it’s not a blow out.
There are several tens of millions of other people who can’t understand why everyone else is “too big to fail.” We are now witnessing the continuation of the corrupt single party system as now fronted by the Democrats.
Too big to fail = corruption squared
speaking of not making he case… are you listening to levin? is he trying to make sure the bill doesn’t pass? hopeless.
Meet the new math, same as the old math…
It will be like Lehman Brothers where before they were left to hang out to dry by Paulson, et al, they said they knew before hand what the repercussions of letting them fail would be. NOT.
How many times does history have to repeat itself?
Actually, the most recent polls on auto bailout – NBC/Wall Street Journal and L.A. Times/Bloomberg News – show plurality (about 46% in NBC/WSJ) favoring government aid to Detroit 3. True, not a majority – but better than the 61% oppose in CNN Poll a couple weeks ago.
Several people have noted the generous packages of tax breaks, free land, state-paid worker training, and other incentives Alabama, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, and Texas gave the foreign automakers. Most recently, Tennessee gave Volkswagen an incentive package worth, as I recall, about $600-million to locate an assembly plant in Chattanooga (Corker’s hometown, incidentally). Now, these incentive packages aren’t limited to the auto industry, and one could argue they’re okay if used to attract new investment. But incentive packages are also used to entice companies to close down existing plants and move jobs; for example, a few years ago, the Swedish-owned appliance manufacturer, Electrolux, closed its profitableunionized plant in Greenville, Mich., a small town in the western part of the state, and moved the jobs to Right-to-Work (for less) South Carolina. It’s an all-too-common story.
Back in the early 1990s, then UAW President Owen Bieber called this practice of states bidding against each other for new or existing plants “economic cannibalism.” Realizing that no state would unilaterally disarm, Bieber called for national legislation banning this practice; instead, states would compete for new business investment on the basis of quality public schools and universities, skilled workers, sound infrastructure, quality of life, and so forth. Seems to me this is an idea worth bringing back.
First, why do I keep getting the blog discussion erased and replaced by some kind of video ad? It ruins the lake effect.
At this point in the Bush administration and this near the end of the Senate term I see no reason to NOT push and push and let the Republicans filibuster their hearts out. Every moment they’re on the floor calling for the end of the American economy and for throwing people out of their jobs & homes is as good as political gold for Dems. Not that that’s a reason to do this.
No, it’s more important to simply push the legislation because it’s the right thing for America. Dems took the chance and passed the $700B bailout despite the ickiness of having to deal with Bush and we need to do the auto bailout despite having to deal with GM and Cerberus. It’s the medicine that is good for us.
I must say however, the idea of someone like Steven Jobs as CEO of GM is appealing. Read that on another blog and it’s inspiring.
Two people, one hurt one not: do you ”intervene” to help the hurt one or insist the government ”let the market work”?
I hope you’re NOT suggesting somebody send him some ’pet rocks’ for Christmas.