According to Harry Reid, apparently an auto deal has been reached, except for "outstanding details". I take this as meaning they wanted some good press before folding for the night, and that they now understand the price Republicans want for passing the bill.
As Jane noted earlier, the talks were fundamentally about screwing union workers, since Republicans won’t pass a bill that doesn’t cram down wages:
Officials said the negotiations centered on possible wage and benefit concessions from the United Auto Workers union as well as large-scale debt restructuring by General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC.
One can only wish that Democrats, when the bailout had been willing to do the same sort of thing in exchange for the 700 billion dollar bailout, and had held out for some serious regulatory reform. But apparently only Republicans get what they want by threatening to filibuster.
We’ll see tomorrow what this all means, but if I were an auto worker, I’d expect that my paycheck is about to take another big beating, and I’d be wondering why it was ok for Wall Street to pay itself 70 billion in bonuses with 700 billion in bailouts, and not ok for me to keep my salary and benefits and for my industry to get less than one-thirtieth of that amount.
Guess they don’t know the right people and have the right lobbyists. Those who have get bailed out, those who don’t, get left to drown.
But perhaps Barack Obama will ride to save the day, as he did after the Wall Street bailout failed, coming in to bend arms to make sure Wall Street got its 700 billion dollars so it could continue to have the billions of dollars of bonuses it has grown accustomed to. I’m sure he doesn’t do that sort of thing only for Wall Street fat cats, after all.



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Good evening, Ian;
Looks like the country is going for a ‘fine’ ride.
And the fine is 700 Billion$ (and counting …)
Two notable things were dropped, the pay raises for judges and the environmental regs outlined in the house bill…
It’s a twofer for the Repugs… Screw the unions and the environment…! What’s not to love about it for the Repugs…?
last i heard it was above $8 Trillion we, the taxpayers, are on the hook for. i can’t comprehend what that means though. too many zeros.
Hmmm …
Verra innerestin’, CTut.
Wonder how de judges like them apples?
(And the environment? Screw it!)
“Those who got, got out of town. Those who ain’t got left to drown. Tell me, how can a poor man stand such times and live?”
Bruce Springsteen
ok, wtf with the impeach blagojevich for selling a senate seat when Bush tortured people, killed civilians, lied to engage in a war of choice, let US citizen die in a natural disaster and let the economy collapse. WTF! Impeach Bush!!!
Oh yeah, buy the “tentative accord”, i hear the mlileage is great.
And…
Where are we goin’, and why am I in this handbasket?
Just watch the decapitated baby and you’ll be OK.
I jus’ cain’t count that high, or even when I’m ’sober’, for that matter.
Welcome to the new Datk Ages.
Droit de Seignor (The Ari$toctacy has the ‘right’ to screw us first …)
No kidding. This is beyond comprehension. The good news (!) may be that the union workers take a cut now, but at least they’re still together as a union and know that the future could still be brighter.
Lets fire Reid and reduce congress’ wages by 50%.
those judges must have been “activist” judges, why else would the Rethugs go out of their way to kick them in the teeth?
You notice it seems WARMER, lately (ain’t talkin’ ’bout the weather, no siree)?
;~D
i hate the democratic party almost as much as I hate the republican party. Perhaps even more.
Let’s reduce the Senate by 42%. Or maybe 41%. Depends on Coleman/Franken.
I’m sure Obama is riding in on his White Horse (House?) to bend R arms in the spirit of postpartisanship. Oh silly me, that only applies to the Ds.
Decimation is a good thing, improves discipline.
Amazing, isn’t it? You forgot one ‘war’ though. Afghanistan was no threat to the US just like Iraq was no threat to the US.
…except for that harboring the terrorists who planned 9/11 thing…
if they are going to fold for the night, i wish they would get on with it so i can listen to some music of my own choice instead of cspan’s
Worked for the Romans, why not the Rethugs? They think they’re the new Roman Empire.
The entire Political Cla$$ is acting just like the Roman Senate, gots to keep the Ari$tocracy happy ya know?
Bet the ‘Founders’ are spinning like dervishes in their grave estates, Bu$h being our Augustus and Cheney being our Livia …
Take a deep breath and listen to this.
Et tu, SD?
chris hedges, from june:
Listening to my choice on my stereo, still reading Nixonland (only half way thru at 400 pages), kibbutzing here. Much better than watching sausage being
madedestroyed.Great comparison. The Rethugs are sowing the seeds of their own demise.
w3rd
what do you think of the book? it is on my list of books I hope to find the time someday to read…
Yup, that number is far larger than is being bandied about. Surely somebody can lay it out. Preferably in DeMint’s face..
Naw, man, Ah ain’t et nothin’.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
which were trained by the cia and funded by our allies.
(((SD)))
beautiful. thank you.
lol, yeah, i had a half shigrin thinking about that ;)
Pass me your plate.
Pork chops, zucchini with tomatoes, onion and cheese and a green salad.
I can’t decide whether I want to read Nixonland or not. It bein’ a tome an’ all doesn’t bother me (Fisk’s The Great War… was 1200pp) I’m just ambivalent about it.
good call. but i’m trying to get some stuff done (on computer) so no reading for me right now. just cspan and chatting here while attempting to watch history in the making.
I’ll second that!
Here ya go, but I’ll pass on the pork, thank you. Seafood the only meat I eat and that’s pretty much limited to crustaceans.
Looks like the Southern Senators (along with the happily complicit Democrats), after decades of indefatigable resistance, have finally restored the honor, and the labor conditions, of the antebellum South.
“The South will rise again! Your wages, however, will not.”
I’m loving it, in a perverse way. I lived thru the era, and took a strong side, though never was politically active. So it is very emotional for me. Still, got to know how the other side reacted, and backlash is the message. (Biased selection of evidence I suspect, but so what.) We need to learn from our past.
Also, interesting to relive a portion of your life you thought you knew to find you were only walking thru a fog. Very instructive for trying to figure out what’s going on now.
You mean, granted taking away power or status is ‘as bad as death’ for Rethugs, decimation doesn’t reinforce Rethugs disipline?
D’oh, I forgot. You get a double portion of the baked zucchini. And, two rolls.
I’ve got some shrimp in the freezer I can thaw for you.
((SD))
Read my 44 and ask me again. I think it’s gonna be one of my 2008 bests.
Well, we do have the largest flying Confederate battle flag on a 200ft, or thereabouts, pole between two major interstates in Tampa.
glenn greenwald on rachel now
Oh, you are tempting me. Still got some Xmas gifts to buy….hmmmm.
If you’re going to go old school roman, go all the way.
for a decimation, the offending unit would be assembled. each cohort was comprised of ten men. each cohort would have lots cast, one man from each cohort was then to kneel, be surrounded by the remaining nine who would then beat him to death with cudgels.
it was an extreme and vicious penalty, usually reserved for the vilest of unit crimes. to order a decimation was considered to be the mark of a failed general.
greenwald talking about complicity of democrats in congress in many of the Bush policies of torture, eavesdropping, etc.
Perfect for the 110th congress.
No, the opposite. If it worked for the Romans, which it did until its legions began to be filled with Germanic tribesmen and other mercenaries, why wouldn’t it work for the Rethugs. Their authoritarian mindset doesn’t handle things like removal from power or status very well, if at all. The Germanic legionaires would have turned on their Roman officers so fast… The Rethugs only turn on their daddys after they’re out in the cold. That way daddy is able to mollify the offender and welcome him/her back into the fold.
I remember the resignation speech quite well. I almost got shot right after it was over.
What then happened to the surviving nine? Business as usual?
they ‘felt’ better.
Yep, and thankful that it wasn’t their lot…!
I’m am saying it worked. Just that the thug lard asses are so mushy they in their leisurely life style that they are easier to disciple.
In modern writing the term decimation is most often used incorrectly. The term as used now denotes almost total destruction. Piss poor editing and sloppy writing.
Oh, yeah, it doesn’t take much to get ‘em back to toeing the line.
“A word in your ear, Senator.”
Lost in translation…! ;-)
reid up now on the senate floor.
LOL
Impeach that asshole too!
*aargh* My cable provider switched it over to the usual Gem TV slot…!
lol :)
Nixonland for you.
Astonishing.
gah, liberman giving fellatio again :0===|
thx :(
((((SD)))) U were in VN when the speech was given. I’m only in 1969. Lots o tsoris to live thru before the SOB resigns.
That’s what I’m thinking.
Nice to give ourselves gifts too, isn’t it?
Why does Lieberman squirm when he hears about anthrax?
Pity he’s alive to squirm. Attacks occurred in his state.
Bob Graham is the master of the obvious.
110th congress == epic fail.
Resignation speech was in 1974, I left Nam in Sep 70. Boyfriend of a young lady of my acquaintance was not happy with the attention I was giving her while he was gone. Appeared right after Nixon finished the speech.
Wait! I don’t remember Israel being attacked during the anthrax attacks!
Why are these fucktards only worried about Islamic nukes?
I didn’t know it. Deci should have been a clue.
lol, D’oh!
:o