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	<title>Comments on: Auto Bailout Aims to Break Unions, End Pensions</title>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No Youtube, but here’s one of MY fav contemporary union songs from one of my fav contemporary blue/new grass bands (Rob Ickes is dobro god). And I have loved union songs for a long, long time . . .&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7. Union Man&lt;br /&gt;
(Tim Stafford/Daniel House Music, BMI)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) A short life of trouble in a dark and dusty mine&lt;br /&gt;
has been my occupation, now I walk the picket line&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) I was down in bloody Harlan when they tried to organize&lt;br /&gt;
The miners faced starvation, you could see it in their eyes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) The company hired some gun thugs, many miners died it’s said&lt;br /&gt;
They’d come to kill the Union but they lost their lives instead&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) And it’s which side are you on boys, which side are you on?&lt;br /&gt;
You’re either for the rich man or the Union standing strong&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5) I came to New York City in the year of ‘43&lt;br /&gt;
We were fighting Hitler’s armies in the war across the sea&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;6) But they would not hire a miner to do a workman’s job&lt;br /&gt;
at fifteen cents an hour, your pockets they will rob&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;7) I’ll never trust a rich man as long as I draw breath&lt;br /&gt;
To keep his golden mansion he’ll starve your kids to death&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;8) And when my life is over, don’t mourn my passing long&lt;br /&gt;
Organize resistance and keep the Union strong&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ch) Here’s to every miner who dared to take a stand&lt;br /&gt;
who lived to feed his family and died a Union man&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Youtube, but here’s one of MY fav contemporary union songs from one of my fav contemporary blue/new grass bands (Rob Ickes is dobro god). And I have loved union songs for a long, long time . . .</p>
<p>7. Union Man<br />
(Tim Stafford/Daniel House Music, BMI)</p>
<p>1) A short life of trouble in a dark and dusty mine<br />
has been my occupation, now I walk the picket line</p>
<p>2) I was down in bloody Harlan when they tried to organize<br />
The miners faced starvation, you could see it in their eyes</p>
<p>3) The company hired some gun thugs, many miners died it’s said<br />
They’d come to kill the Union but they lost their lives instead</p>
<p>4) And it’s which side are you on boys, which side are you on?<br />
You’re either for the rich man or the Union standing strong</p>
<p>5) I came to New York City in the year of ‘43<br />
We were fighting Hitler’s armies in the war across the sea</p>
<p>6) But they would not hire a miner to do a workman’s job<br />
at fifteen cents an hour, your pockets they will rob</p>
<p>7) I’ll never trust a rich man as long as I draw breath<br />
To keep his golden mansion he’ll starve your kids to death</p>
<p>8) And when my life is over, don’t mourn my passing long<br />
Organize resistance and keep the Union strong</p>
<p>ch) Here’s to every miner who dared to take a stand<br />
who lived to feed his family and died a Union man</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s a bright lantern you shine Diogenes . . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly, it does not glow with hope for the un 1% . . . &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We could be screwed, badly, for a long time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But I’ll hope Obama is gonna refocus that light, and we’ll all be surprised.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m giving change about two years worth, to happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I think, we’ll know much sooner whether or not change for OUR better is part of the potential. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least there IS a lantern to see by, it’s been real, real dark for a long time. *G*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s a bright lantern you shine Diogenes . . . </p>
<p>Sadly, it does not glow with hope for the un 1% . . . </p>
<p>We could be screwed, badly, for a long time.</p>
<p>But I’ll hope Obama is gonna refocus that light, and we’ll all be surprised.</p>
<p>I’m giving change about two years worth, to happen.</p>
<p>And I think, we’ll know much sooner whether or not change for OUR better is part of the potential. </p>
<p>At least there IS a lantern to see by, it’s been real, real dark for a long time. *G*</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lean?!?!?!? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m thinking dogpile! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*G*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lean?!?!?!? </p>
<p>I’m thinking dogpile! </p>
<p>*G*</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hire for what?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Outside of service and retail jobs, this process of union busting, offshoring of jobs, and foreign takeovers has not created jobs. It’s eliminated them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Or are you counting the southern states jobs where foreign auto making has made its mark? Hardly enough jobs to counter for those lost. And sure, cheaper labor than union wages . . . . let’s just kill the middle class. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Still. More. Again. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WWOD? (what will Obama do?)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hire for what?</p>
<p>Outside of service and retail jobs, this process of union busting, offshoring of jobs, and foreign takeovers has not created jobs. It’s eliminated them.</p>
<p>Or are you counting the southern states jobs where foreign auto making has made its mark? Hardly enough jobs to counter for those lost. And sure, cheaper labor than union wages . . . . let’s just kill the middle class. </p>
<p>Still. More. Again. </p>
<p>WWOD? (what will Obama do?)</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise, I’m with you. I don’t see any info on this, but I don’t trust Reid/Pelosi to save the union or the middle class . . . not for one phreallin nanosecond do I trust them. Something stinks. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I’m worried, that there’s no counter info ABOUT their positions as they put forth . . . .  not one word I’ve found to question their recent recitations about this whole affair.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise, I’m with you. I don’t see any info on this, but I don’t trust Reid/Pelosi to save the union or the middle class . . . not for one phreallin nanosecond do I trust them. Something stinks. </p>
<p>And I’m worried, that there’s no counter info ABOUT their positions as they put forth . . . .  not one word I’ve found to question their recent recitations about this whole affair.</p>
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		<title>By: Larue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Busted, St Ronnie was here for 8 long years before he hit the helm of the nation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hated him THEN, before his ascension. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For what he did to CA. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hate him more than Nixon, at times. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;May they both be rotting in the hell of Krom’s Vengence. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Harumph.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Busted, St Ronnie was here for 8 long years before he hit the helm of the nation.</p>
<p>I hated him THEN, before his ascension. </p>
<p>For what he did to CA. </p>
<p>I hate him more than Nixon, at times. </p>
<p>May they both be rotting in the hell of Krom’s Vengence. </p>
<p>Harumph.</p>
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		<title>By: 4jkb4ia</title>
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		<dc:creator>4jkb4ia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Right, but part of the point was that you could read the NYT wrapup and get some sort of union reaction. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think it is logical to have union equity if there is a government equity stake, but the way the czar’s duties are defined seems to preclude government equity.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but part of the point was that you could read the NYT wrapup and get some sort of union reaction. </p>
<p>I think it is logical to have union equity if there is a government equity stake, but the way the czar’s duties are defined seems to preclude government equity.</p>
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		<title>By: coral</title>
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		<dc:creator>coral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think this deal is so bad all the way around that it will not pass, at which point the current crisis will ratchet up a few notches while all economic indicators will continue to cliff dive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who is going to twist arms to get reluctant congress members to vote for it? Not Bush, not Obama, and if not them, why should Reid, Dodd, Frank, Pelosi? It’s going to be hugely unpopular with the public, with unions, and with anti-big government types.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this deal is so bad all the way around that it will not pass, at which point the current crisis will ratchet up a few notches while all economic indicators will continue to cliff dive.</p>
<p>Who is going to twist arms to get reluctant congress members to vote for it? Not Bush, not Obama, and if not them, why should Reid, Dodd, Frank, Pelosi? It’s going to be hugely unpopular with the public, with unions, and with anti-big government types.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;later sd, bob, katymine and all..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>later sd, bob, katymine and all..</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;but that’s not institution building. and quite frankly, organizations that depend on disciples have zero appeal to me - especially on a national stage. recipe for at best divergent interests as i wrote above or at worst cult of personality and celebrity. not progressive.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but that’s not institution building. and quite frankly, organizations that depend on disciples have zero appeal to me &#8211; especially on a national stage. recipe for at best divergent interests as i wrote above or at worst cult of personality and celebrity. not progressive.</p>
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