Comments on: Future Tense: Are Supply Lines Being Cut In Afghanistan? http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:35:57 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: plunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752576 plunger Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:07:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752576 <p>Fair enough…thanks for responding.</p> <p>Given all that has transpired, I am not prone to coincidence theory, and assume that everything that occurs is by design. 1,000 coincidences related to 9/11 and all that has followed seems proof enough that we should stop swallowing their stories - and assume the worst of them.</p> Fair enough…thanks for responding.

Given all that has transpired, I am not prone to coincidence theory, and assume that everything that occurs is by design. 1,000 coincidences related to 9/11 and all that has followed seems proof enough that we should stop swallowing their stories – and assume the worst of them.

]]> By: demi http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752302 demi Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:00:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752302 <p>Here are my conclusions:<br /> RE: <em>military assets from the UK and US were in fact positioned in the Middle East prior to 9/11</em>…<br /> I don’t know why they were there. We’ve had military assets in a lot of places in the world at various times for a very long time. There could be many reasons. I don’t know and don’t assume that because of that, there was the agenda you refer to.<br /> I also think that the FBI has different reasons for authenticating or not all things OBL.<br /> My conclusion is I Don’t Know.</p> Here are my conclusions:
RE: military assets from the UK and US were in fact positioned in the Middle East prior to 9/11…
I don’t know why they were there. We’ve had military assets in a lot of places in the world at various times for a very long time. There could be many reasons. I don’t know and don’t assume that because of that, there was the agenda you refer to.
I also think that the FBI has different reasons for authenticating or not all things OBL.
My conclusion is I Don’t Know.

]]> By: gtomkins http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752284 gtomkins Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:52:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752284 <p>This report left out the best part</p> <p>A military spokesman, reacting to the destruction of 160 vehicles at two motor pools near Peshawar, described the losses as “not significant”. </p> <p>Wow! </p> <p>I can imagine that if I had lost 160 vehicles in a single day, my battalion commander might have described this in many different ways, some so colorful as to not be printable even here, but “not significant” isn’t anywhere in my wildest imaginings of what he would have had to say on the topic. I guess the Army’s changed a bit.</p> This report left out the best part

A military spokesman, reacting to the destruction of 160 vehicles at two motor pools near Peshawar, described the losses as “not significant”.

Wow!

I can imagine that if I had lost 160 vehicles in a single day, my battalion commander might have described this in many different ways, some so colorful as to not be printable even here, but “not significant” isn’t anywhere in my wildest imaginings of what he would have had to say on the topic. I guess the Army’s changed a bit.

]]> By: timr http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752241 timr Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:31:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752241 <p>Speaking with some military experience, if we do not control our supply lines we are in the technical term- “fucked”.<br /> gwb, rummy, and the “perfumed princes”-political generals, mostly found in the pentagon or sniffing around other seats of power-set everything up on the fact that “our man in Pakistan” a General no less, had taken command and was on “our side” in the “war on terror”.<br /> Except he wasn’t. and Pakistan wasn’t. The Pakistan Army was and is a power unto itself. As is the ISI. They are both deeply in the pockets of Saudis who build Madrasses(again sp unsure) who infuse the illiterate poor with their version of extreme religious fervor. The ISI created the Taliban to attempt to bring the civil war in Afghanistan to a halt. They did, the Taliban also reined in the poppy smugglers and war lords. As for alQaeda, we were there at the birth and we assisted them in their goal of forcing the USSR out of Afghanistan(The USSRs Vietnam) Now we reap what we sowed. The ISI and the Pakistan were always bastards, but because they were anticommunist, they were our BFFs. Until the USSR self destructed. Now we have good old Mr. 10% as president of Pakistan-he has zero control over both the Army and the ISI.(and we have India-a nuclear power & Pakistan-a nuclear power, eyeball to eyeball on the brink of war-which is what the attacks on Mumbai were supposed to accomplish-10 men and they are quite possibly the trigger for the first nuclear war. Nice. Big sigh) We have Karzai, president of Afghanistan-at least to the outskirts of Kabul-one of the most corrupt people in that part of the world.(In charge of a totally corrupt government) and the warlords, don’t forget the warlords. They control the poppy. They are also taking money from the US-kind of like the Sunni awakening councils in Iraq-to not attack the US. However, they are now more or less on the side of the Taliban, who are fighting against the US. MEANWHILE, where is alQaeda? Remember alQaeda? Our real enemy. In Pakistan,in the tribal areas, in the area that really no one, not even the Pak Army really controls. Now we come to our logistics tail. Whose last stop is at Peshwhar(sp? again) and who just got attacked by???? somebody who destroyed 160 vehicles destined for the US Army in Afghanstan. You can not fly in bullets, beans, and fuel. So they have to come by ship, then convoyed thru the Khyber Pass to our main AFB in Afghanistan. So now what do we do? If we can not bribe the Pakistan Army to protect our convoys, we are, in a word, FUCKED.<br /> Can we go thru one of the other stans? Maybe, but only if Russia says OK. And what did gwb and the neocons do just a wee bit of time ago? Why they mightily pissed off Russia by 1-pushing NATO membership on the near countries which border Russia. 2-by backing Georgia in its idiotic war with Russia 3-by signing up Poland as a site for our *new, improved-if unproven* anti missile radar-which we *claim* is to stop all those Iranian ballistic missiles(nuclear tipped no doubt) and 4-by just being all around jerkoffs-pushed by the neocons and ‘the dick’ cheney. So I guess that now we just hope and pray-to the god of gwbs choice of course, no others need apply-that the Pak Army will “try” to prevent any more attacks on our supply lines. None of the “perfumed princes” have any ideas on what to do. Maybe the rethug uber fair haired perfumed price-gen David Patraeus-will come riding on his white horse to the rescue once more, while Sen McCain thinks(and says, and says, and says) that Afghanistan now is “just like Iraq was before the surge” By golly, thats just what we need to do! Put in a Surge. Thats the ticket. It worked in Iraq-or not-so of course it will work in A’stan with its different terrain and different tribal structure-riiiigggght!-We are so fucked. 8 years. 8 years we *looked* for OBL. But when we had him trapped at Bora Bora, rummy gave him a backdoor and he walked out. Nice, real nice. $50MUS price on his head and no one will even attempt to collect. OBL is the Caliph who wants to restore the Caliphate. Bring Islam up from the 7th century all the way to the 12th century. gwb got us into this goat rope, now he leaves and puts the whole mess on Obama. Great, just freekin great. Obama will have to be FDR, Gen Marshall, Ghandi and the Dali Lama all rolled up in one to do this. We are sooo fucked.</p> Speaking with some military experience, if we do not control our supply lines we are in the technical term- “fucked”.
gwb, rummy, and the “perfumed princes”-political generals, mostly found in the pentagon or sniffing around other seats of power-set everything up on the fact that “our man in Pakistan” a General no less, had taken command and was on “our side” in the “war on terror”.
Except he wasn’t. and Pakistan wasn’t. The Pakistan Army was and is a power unto itself. As is the ISI. They are both deeply in the pockets of Saudis who build Madrasses(again sp unsure) who infuse the illiterate poor with their version of extreme religious fervor. The ISI created the Taliban to attempt to bring the civil war in Afghanistan to a halt. They did, the Taliban also reined in the poppy smugglers and war lords. As for alQaeda, we were there at the birth and we assisted them in their goal of forcing the USSR out of Afghanistan(The USSRs Vietnam) Now we reap what we sowed. The ISI and the Pakistan were always bastards, but because they were anticommunist, they were our BFFs. Until the USSR self destructed. Now we have good old Mr. 10% as president of Pakistan-he has zero control over both the Army and the ISI.(and we have India-a nuclear power & Pakistan-a nuclear power, eyeball to eyeball on the brink of war-which is what the attacks on Mumbai were supposed to accomplish-10 men and they are quite possibly the trigger for the first nuclear war. Nice. Big sigh) We have Karzai, president of Afghanistan-at least to the outskirts of Kabul-one of the most corrupt people in that part of the world.(In charge of a totally corrupt government) and the warlords, don’t forget the warlords. They control the poppy. They are also taking money from the US-kind of like the Sunni awakening councils in Iraq-to not attack the US. However, they are now more or less on the side of the Taliban, who are fighting against the US. MEANWHILE, where is alQaeda? Remember alQaeda? Our real enemy. In Pakistan,in the tribal areas, in the area that really no one, not even the Pak Army really controls. Now we come to our logistics tail. Whose last stop is at Peshwhar(sp? again) and who just got attacked by???? somebody who destroyed 160 vehicles destined for the US Army in Afghanstan. You can not fly in bullets, beans, and fuel. So they have to come by ship, then convoyed thru the Khyber Pass to our main AFB in Afghanistan. So now what do we do? If we can not bribe the Pakistan Army to protect our convoys, we are, in a word, FUCKED.
Can we go thru one of the other stans? Maybe, but only if Russia says OK. And what did gwb and the neocons do just a wee bit of time ago? Why they mightily pissed off Russia by 1-pushing NATO membership on the near countries which border Russia. 2-by backing Georgia in its idiotic war with Russia 3-by signing up Poland as a site for our *new, improved-if unproven* anti missile radar-which we *claim* is to stop all those Iranian ballistic missiles(nuclear tipped no doubt) and 4-by just being all around jerkoffs-pushed by the neocons and ‘the dick’ cheney. So I guess that now we just hope and pray-to the god of gwbs choice of course, no others need apply-that the Pak Army will “try” to prevent any more attacks on our supply lines. None of the “perfumed princes” have any ideas on what to do. Maybe the rethug uber fair haired perfumed price-gen David Patraeus-will come riding on his white horse to the rescue once more, while Sen McCain thinks(and says, and says, and says) that Afghanistan now is “just like Iraq was before the surge” By golly, thats just what we need to do! Put in a Surge. Thats the ticket. It worked in Iraq-or not-so of course it will work in A’stan with its different terrain and different tribal structure-riiiigggght!-We are so fucked. 8 years. 8 years we *looked* for OBL. But when we had him trapped at Bora Bora, rummy gave him a backdoor and he walked out. Nice, real nice. $50MUS price on his head and no one will even attempt to collect. OBL is the Caliph who wants to restore the Caliphate. Bring Islam up from the 7th century all the way to the 12th century. gwb got us into this goat rope, now he leaves and puts the whole mess on Obama. Great, just freekin great. Obama will have to be FDR, Gen Marshall, Ghandi and the Dali Lama all rolled up in one to do this. We are sooo fucked.

]]> By: bluebutterfly http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752218 bluebutterfly Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:18:10 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752218 <p>9/11- Who Knew?<br /> Ask Senator Bob Graham<br /><a href="http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3090" rel="nofollow">http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3090</a></p> 9/11- Who Knew?
Ask Senator Bob Graham
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3090

]]> By: bluebutterfly http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752209 bluebutterfly Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:10:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752209 <p>Well prepared, indeed. The UK was able to announce the ‘collapse’ of Bldg. 7 a full 20 minutes before it happened.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGOt9f3gKk" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGOt9f3gKk</a></p> <p>Giuliani knew that no. 7 was going to collapse.<br /><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Video_tribute_to_Giuliani_911_lies_0530.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2007/....._0530.html</a></p> <p>The firemen knew, too. You hear a boom and the fireman says, “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon”.<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNVKznkLXQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNVKznkLXQ</a></p> <p>The wonders of video. The truth is there for all to view.</p> Well prepared, indeed. The UK was able to announce the ‘collapse’ of Bldg. 7 a full 20 minutes before it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGOt9f3gKk

Giuliani knew that no. 7 was going to collapse.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0530.html

The firemen knew, too. You hear a boom and the fireman says, “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNVKznkLXQ

The wonders of video. The truth is there for all to view.

]]> By: plunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752161 plunger Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:34:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752161 <p>I really am interested to know your opinion - and that’s why I requested it. Why not tell me what conclusions you draw from the facts listed at 102?</p> I really am interested to know your opinion – and that’s why I requested it. Why not tell me what conclusions you draw from the facts listed at 102?

]]> By: acquarius74 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752157 acquarius74 Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:27:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752157 <p>Thanks, selise. I’ll miss your provocative and enlightening omments here, but also am eager for your links to the hearing.</p> Thanks, selise. I’ll miss your provocative and enlightening omments here, but also am eager for your links to the hearing.

]]> By: demi http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752148 demi Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:18:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752148 <p>We can look at evidence all day long and come up with different conclusions.<br /> How you connect the dots is not necessarily they way they connect for me.<br /> I am not a moral coward.<br /> And, I do a lot of thinking.<br /> I’m glad you are “very aware of the perceptions of others”, but I don’t think you are in a position to judge how others perceive.</p> We can look at evidence all day long and come up with different conclusions.
How you connect the dots is not necessarily they way they connect for me.
I am not a moral coward.
And, I do a lot of thinking.
I’m glad you are “very aware of the perceptions of others”, but I don’t think you are in a position to judge how others perceive.

]]> By: plunger http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752137 plunger Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:46:43 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/08/future-tense-are-supply-lines-being-cut-in-afghanistan/#comment-1752137 <p>When a web site hosts a compilation of main stream news source links to enable context and understanding, referring to it in a negative way is just uncalled for. This is a public service - available to all for free. You could refer to them as truth-seeker sites, but you opted not to.</p> <p>I’m very aware of the perceptions of others…and those that opt to look for excuses not to see the truth right before there eyes will happily use any excuse available:</p> <blockquote><p>“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critica</p></blockquote> <p>l thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”</p> <p>Michael Rivero</p> <p>Given that I have provided numerous mainstream media links above to prove that military assets from the UK and US were in fact positioned in the Middle East prior to 9/11, AND that the FBI declines to name Bin Laden as being wanted in connection with 9/11, AND that the FBI refuses to authenticate the purported “Bin Laden Confession video,” what conclusion do you draw?</p> When a web site hosts a compilation of main stream news source links to enable context and understanding, referring to it in a negative way is just uncalled for. This is a public service – available to all for free. You could refer to them as truth-seeker sites, but you opted not to.

I’m very aware of the perceptions of others…and those that opt to look for excuses not to see the truth right before there eyes will happily use any excuse available:

“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critica

l thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”

Michael Rivero

Given that I have provided numerous mainstream media links above to prove that military assets from the UK and US were in fact positioned in the Middle East prior to 9/11, AND that the FBI declines to name Bin Laden as being wanted in connection with 9/11, AND that the FBI refuses to authenticate the purported “Bin Laden Confession video,” what conclusion do you draw?

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