Reading the news from Afghanistan lately has become an exercise in humility. Which, as any student of history knows, isn’t really news given the empires who invaded only to be broken on the teeth of the Khyber Pass.
The raids are the boldest in a series of militant attacks on Nato supply lines this year, which have raised fears that the Taleban are mimicking tactics used against British invaders in the 19th century and Soviet troops in the 1980s.
About 70 per cent of the fuel and other supplies for Nato and US forces in Afghanistan are shipped into the Pakistani port of Karachi and then driven over the Khyber Pass into Afghanistan….
The Government last month closed the Khyber Pass for a week after militants hijacked trucks and made off with supplies for US and Nato forces. Four US helicopter engines were stolen along the route in April and 36 Nato fuel trucks were torched near the pass in March.
If supply lines are cut, it gets ugly very quickly in a nation as impoverished and food poor as Afghanistan. I’ll let b from Moon of Alabama do the math:
The Soviet[s] learned some lessons about this. It was the road war that eventually killed their attempts in Afghanistan.
U.S./NATO supplies are even more endangered because:
- They need much more general supply per man than the Soviets did;
- They do not have a boarder to Afghanistan but have to route the supply through Pakistan;
- Alternative routes are too long and odious.
The additional U.S. troops that will help to occupy Afghanistan next year will, as I estimated, need some 50 additional truck deliveries per day for fuel alone.
There are days when I miss Steve Gilliard calling military bullshit more than others. Today is one of those days. And this isn’t exactly confidence inspiring…nor is this. Or this.
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Intentional Quagmire.
There is no other logical explanation.
Now Christy, that’s just not fair, putting up more links than the Early Morning Swim and having them all be depressing. Tough going on a cold Monday morning.
But thanks, anyway. With Obama itching to ramp things up in Afghanistan, this is a much-needed warning about the folly of thinking a military victory there is possible.
Just a note that planning — and considerations of all the contingencies — would be a very good thing BEFORE, not after, the fact.
And I just loved this picture — so poignant, isn’t it?
Anyone else notice that Hildebrand failed to even mention Afghanistan when admonishing the “left” to back off Obama and let him govern from the center right?
Anyone from the Bush family ready to serve yet?
From one of your links:
All of our present military advisers had access to all of this data, and knows this “enemy” well… as an “asset.”
The goal in the Middle East is clearly occupation…. permanently.
On whose behalf?
It does seem as though history’s lessons were intentionally shut out of the thought process, doesn’t it?
If folks could give this a digg, I’d appreciate it. Thanks!
Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to have to re-learn them.
Hubris much?
thanks for the link to bernhard from moon of alabama, he’s been covering the supply line problems for ages. but i don’t think the issue is about getting food to afghanis – it’s about preventing military supplies from getting to the occupying force (that would be us).
McCain weighs in on the subject – “Afghanistan will get worse”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28097538/
Well, duh!
And WTF are mcain (not to mention liarman and lindsey) doing over there anyway? They’re supposed to “report back to Obama”.
Damn! Some days it just doesn’t pay to get out of bed.
So, where ARE we getting the soldiers and the $$$? It appears Obama still thinks that conventional war is the way to go in either Iraq OR Afghanistan.
He’s really been bugging me here lately.
I just don’t get it. We’ve already broken our economy with these wars and he thinks ramping up in Afghanistan is the answer to terrorism? Bush got US into Iraq largely on the hubris that “nobody could kick America’s butt!” That little ideology sure exploded fast.
I’m just praying these days that O is holding his cards close to his vest and really isn’t going to do “business as usual”. You know, he’s stringing along the Reich so they won’t kill him……….who knows?
I want US out of both places NOW.
A thought; just me: but does anyone think that if we stopped this insane “War on Drugs” alot of these problems would just………go away?
Yeah, and it’s starting to snow here!
The point about Afghanistan being :food poor” wasn’t that Afghans would have trouble getting food supplies if supply lines are cut — that’s pretty much a given the last few years running, frankly, given the war, famine and other issues that they deal with daily. It was that there are no food reserves on which to draw for American and NATO troops. It’s one thing if you invade a nation and hold it’s “bread basket” region — it’s another thing entirely if you starve along with the populace in an already starving region.
There is no real fallback at this point if that supply route is cut — because there has been no real planning for worst case scenario. That is the point.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,
no where near as comprehensive as Christy’s links, but NBC’s Richard Engel laid this out quite clearly on Rachel’s show last week:
link
Christy, if this is in your links above, forgive me, am still working through them
this was one of those tv moments where we were struck by Engel reporting more in 4 minutes than we’d seen in 8 years – guess they were all too busy with their Wall of Honor
i’m hopin bama is a bit smarter than the shrub. but, so far, he says he wants ta go git osama. only thing that will do is kill americans, extend the occupation, and trash pak and india. sure, good thinkin.
Yes, I’m sure Obama is just waiting by the phone for that call from Lieberman. Self-promoting asshole that he is and all. *g*
Let them eat poppies. /s
Meant to link that in but forgot — thanks mucho for popping it in the comments…
Sad, and yet..
Don’t forget who supplied the rocket launchers that enabled the defeat of the Soviet occupation. That was US.
This decision to invade Afghanistan was made with the full knowledge of precisely the reactions that could be counted upon to occur. The same is true of invading Iraq without allowing any planning for the aftermath (Rumsfeld threatened to fire any General who worked on that plan).
Occam’s Razor suggests we take these events and strategies at face value, however illogical it may appear to those of us hampered by a moral compass – unaware of the real goals relative to acquisition/expansion of territory, water, oil pipeline routes, and of course, record high “Poppy” production.
DUGG, and thanks, Christy, for this excellent article.
amen.
we’re just making things worse for ourselves the people we’re trying to rule. madness and hubris.
I’m listening to Krugman’s Nobel lecture live here
http://nobelprize.org/live/index.html
so can’t do Afghanistan at the same time.
Everyone, do go back and read the exceptional piece that Gilliard did for us ages ago about the “fighting retreat” scenario for Iraq — and then contemplate what that would mean in Afghanistan. And then think about the Soviets …and the Brits…and Alexander the Great…
Have been meaning to reread Charlie Wilson’s War and Ghost War. Now might be a good time…
The thought of those three assholes “reporting back” gets on my very last nerve……and that’s the “clean” version. :-(((
Over there stirring up mischief for O and the Dems, without doubt. Spit and double spit!
Report: Taliban now encircle Kabul
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._1208.html
Just go with my rule of thumb: if it comes out of Lieberman’s mouth, I disbelieve it until I’m shown proof otherwise. *G*
btw, is it as freezing ass cole where you are as it is here? Poor birdies are so fluffed out on my feeders this morning, they look like they are stay-puf marshmallow birdies.
Maybe Lieberman will recommend that we deploy a few thousand of these so that we can take out the bulk of the civilian population,in the event a couple “terrorist” might be among them:
http://blog.wired.com/defense/…..to-ki.html
Automated – no-risk killing.
Yes. That little boy is precious.
OT- looks like Mitt’s got some problems with his fundraising.
OT, but please take a moment to remember a man of peace today.
R.I.P. Dr. Winston O’Boogie
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lennon
to a certain extent they can stock up on MREs – but they can’t stock up on fuel. bernhard has written about this, it takes 16 to 24 gallons of fuel per soldier per day to run our occupation. if the fuel doesn’t get through our troops will be sitting ducks long before they go hungry.
however, that’s not the case for the afghanis. one result of our continued occupation and the resulting road war is that aid groups are finding it increasingly difficult to work there.
… i’m relying on bernhard’s analysis here – i haven’t done any of my own, but i’ve been reading him since he was the most informative commenter at billmon’s old wiskeybar and his analysis has been spot on about many things.
Funny you should mention Alexander. I wondered if HE got hung up there in the Khyber Pass on his way to India? Now, I’m wondering more. Is that where he cut the Gordian Knot? ‘Cause that sure seems to be what the US thinks it’s doing.
So seven years of “war” in Afghanistan has accomplished what? Did we have a purpose when a we invaded the place Was it to a/overthrow the Taliban… none of our damn business b/ to chase osama who was/is living in Pakistan or c/ to grow more poppies for the CIA illegal drug trade? d/none of the above.
As for Obama wanting to escalate the illegal invasion of Afghanistan that is just bloody nuts.
God bless the wingnut welfare, eh? *cough*
G’morning Christy and everyone !
It’s so bitterly cold in Toronto, we’ve filled the Feeder with Whiskey …
Actual icicles in the back yard this morning. In Florida!
Loo Hoo !
We owe it to ourselves, to help Mitt & Sarah get nominated in 2012 …
At 2:15 on the tape, did Engel say that the Taliban attacked the US on 11Sep01?
I understood that they asked for proof that Osama attacked the US, before handing him over to the US. We then attacked the Taliban.
I guess I missed that piece of, er, history.
Oh, wow — now that IS cold!
OT – there is a congressional hearing scheduled for this afternoon (1pm) on credit default swaps. i’ll have a diary up at oxdown on it in a bit.
where (approximately) in FL? wow.
WHOA!!! shit me not!
thank you, selise.
Don’t remember that, but that would be somewhat *g* inaccurate shorthand if he did, eh?
By the looks of some of our chickadees, I think a few shots of whiskey might be appreciated this morning here, too. *G*
From previous thread.
Orange County NY was blue 51-48
http://elections.nytimes.com/2…..038;st=cse
Sorry for the OT.
That’s the ticket! Romney/Palin 2012!!
Really??!!! It’s beautiful here. This is one reason why I moved.
The thought of Ann Romney having to hang out with the Palins is priceless. Thanks for that. *G*
If I soaked the bird seed in Whiskey all the squirrels would be drunk
I have the same question regarding Afghanistan, and Iraq, that I did with Vietnam – What is Our Military Objective? What does ‘Winning’ look like Militarily?
Is it Installing a Puppet Government and Doing the Fighting against Their Fellow Countrymen for Them?
How Stupid – and Crazy – must we be to keep trying the Same Losing Formula and Expecting a Different Result?
And, like Christy says, in Afghanistan we even Ignored Dozens of Ancient and Modern Multi-Lingual Skull-and-Crossed-Bones Signs at the entrance to the Khyber Pass!
Pride goeth before the Fall…
Here, too — and a couple of chipmunks.
Any word from our military geniuses in command over there? Cutting the supply lines is about the oldest strategy in the war books, huh?
Are they too busy being fitted by their tailor for new duds? Writing to Bush for their next star before he leaves?
My word! the consequence of being caught in the Kyber Pass was taught in school over 60 years ago (I was there).
Charlie Wilson’s version of “winning” in Afghanistan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgx5WkwSJzU
REAL War:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Hope she doesn’t loan Palin her credit card for clothes.
We have to learn that some things can’t be fixed. Afghanistan is one of them.
It can’t be conquered and it can’t be reformed. Perhaps, it can be sealed.
We obviously have no clue diplomatically or militarily how to deal with any country in this entire region. As such, we ought to disengage as much as possible and tend to our own damn knitting.
I think the question isn’t so much what commanders want, it’s that Bush is treading water…and isn’t that working out just swell?
In some other article, it mentioned that they’re building a tunnel under the Kyber Pass, and it should be ready sometime in 09 iirc. Think it was a post here a week or two ago that linked to it.
The “Best Hair Contest” will be a cage match ‘tween Mittster & Todd …
thanks. i missed that.
If our supply lines are cut off we might need Russian help to get our troops out.
In exchange Russia will want Bush’s proposed anti missile shield in Europe torn down.
Gainesville area. We had a low around 30 and there were icicles from the sprinkler running during the night. It’s already back above 50, but that was pretty cold!
For our people to not know the history or logistics is just mind boggling. the history is recent (see Soviets lose) and logistics is just something military types are supposed to know, no (I’m not a miltary type). I understand that after 9/11 the feeling was to do something — anything– and well, mistakes would be made. Not that i approve. But i remember the feeling. But we’re 7 years out now. This I don’t understand. if this situation hasn’t been improved by now, ya think it ver will be? As CHS points out, it never has been in the past. our arrogance, time and time again leads to military disaster.
OT but in the same vein I’m sure China will keep buying our debt…in exchange for Taiwan.
Here’s the link
http://pakobserver.net/200811/…..ness03.asp
Came from a Sterling Newberry post
http://firedoglake.com/2008/11…..eds-again/
Speaking of CHina and debt, Fallows had a piece in The Atlantic recently on that. Well worth a read…
who is building it? sounds crazy.
A soldier risks telling the truth…
Listen:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
wow.
11F here – but i’m in MA…. we’re supposed to be in the 50s on wednesday though.
Check out the first link in my 69. The article is terribly written (every sentence starts He said) and not very revealing but it’s all I know.
When googling to relocate it, I noticed several articles talking about a RR tunnel that’s been in the Khyber Pass for many decades, if not a century.
And if you’ve ever been in Switzerland, you know that mountains are no impediment to roads.
If you are relatively new to the blogs, or have never encountered the brilliance and prescience that was Steve Gillard . . .
Group News Blog has set up an Archives page.
History buffs and fans of great writing will love his Colonial Warfare series
i think we hit 45 as a low last night. we be freezin.
Thanks, selise. I’m anxious to see who the “expert witnesses” are to be and their take on the swaps. Seems to me those mortgages have been sliced, diced, bundled and sold so many times – must be just a pile of confetti by now. I’ve read that this has happened so many times that the true holder of the mortgages cannot be determined.
I do the best I can to understand this mess because my grandchildren (oldest now 18 and first year college) will bear this burden all their lives. At my age I try not to hate but have to say. “I HATE the destroyers of our country.”
not just military disaster either. as was pointed out (by experts in such things) before we began our insane war against the people of afghanistan (instead of going after the people who had planned 911), our war was expected to increase starvation and food insecurity generally for millions of afghanis. we were warned.
and yet, who could have predicted?….
msg heard. will stop commenting and get the diary done! thanks!
OT
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc…..ese-banker
Chairman Mao endorses the GOP, Al Quieda endorses the GOP anyone else infamous endorses the GOP?
US troops were staged in forward positions in preparation for the invasion of Afghanistan PRIOR to 9/11.
There is no “Osama Bin Laden.”
Wrap your head all the way around that.
part of our war on drugs?
The supposed reason in 2001 was to get Osama and he was trapped. Plans were in place to get him but the top brass did not allow. If he had been caught how could they have justified all of the money to the MIC.
And your links to proof of that would be where in that? Am not seeing any, and you know I like to see proof not just conjecture…
There is no “war on drugs.” Barry McCaffrey as the head of the DEA was the Fox in charge of the hen house. There are black ops funded by the CIA’s sale of drugs, designed to foment real war, funded by you and me, to justify the depopulation and/or control of resource-rich countries – the acquisition of oil and pipeline routes, and the ever-increasing need for weapons to fight the wars that our own government creates on purpose.
Peace is unprofitable.
Inflate or die.
The first units into Afghanistan were Special Operations Units including the unit my son was in. They had the capacity to mobilize and deploy anywhere in the world within hours. There was no prepositioning. They were not deployed for several weeks. On 9/11 and the next few days they were patroling over NYC and DC.
This was told to me directly…by an individual WAY on the inside. It was confimed by another – WAY on the inside. This is a fact. There is no “Osama Bin Laden.” There is “an agenda.”
“A six-foot-six Saudi? I mean come on – the guys an Algerian Actor.”
But the best proof that there is no Osama Bin Laden is that he has not been seen or heard from since 2002. Audio recordings that magically make their way to Al Jazeera are not authenticated. The primary piece of “evidence” tying Bin Laden to 9/11 is a completely fabricated video tape featuring some lard-ass with a fat nose – and not even the FBI says it was Bin Laden on that tape. Yet the Bush Administration was happy to have us believe this to be the smoking gun:
http://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm
Have you looked at the person in the fake Bin Laden video?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
The FBI declines to confirm its authenticity.
BECAUSE IT’S FAKE!
Bin Laden is not wanted by the FBI in connection with 9/11:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topt…../laden.htm
I thought the first units into Afghanistan were CIA?
9/11 – How Much Did They Know?
http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=0493
Monday, 3 September, 2001, 15:42 GMT 16:42 UK
Carrier heads for the Middle East
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1522987.stm
CIA had were in there at same time as Special Ops. their main thing was to bring war lords in to assist etc. Special ops were in virtually same time. While my son was not flying it at the time (another crew was) The first helicopter to go down (my son had 100s of hours in) went down in a snowstorm in Pakistan mts. 10/16/01
Okay, so a couple of unnamed anonymous sources, your word on their veracity and their “WAY on the inside” (whatever the hell that means to you) placement…and unrelated information on some standard 9/11 conspiracy sites that has nothing to do with troop movements that should have been easily ascertainable from satellite imagery, among other things, which is nonexistent so far as I know? That’s your evidence? Gotcha…
Jane has a brand new post upstairs: “Detroit Auto Bridge Loan May Be Close”
US Troops found a Bin Laden confession video tape on VHS in a shack in Afghanistan…and that’s why we’re at war. Gotcha.
Christy – do you really want me to give you the names of these sources? I’m not expecting you to believe what I’m telling you – but I am telling you the truth.
It’s supposed to be a simple matter to prove a positive and impossible to prove a negative…yet no one can prove this man exists.
BBC News, “US ‘planned attack on Taliban’”, 18 September 2001.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor…..550366.stm
A former Pakistani diplomat has told the BBC that the US was planning military action against Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban even before last week’s attacks.
Niaz Naik, a former Pakistani Foreign Secretary, was told by senior American officials in mid-July that military action against Afghanistan would go ahead by the middle of October.
Mr Naik said US officials told him of the plan at a UN-sponsored international contact group on Afghanistan which took place in Berlin.
Actually the Taliban asked for “proof” and then said that if that were provided they would turn bin Laden over to a nation that had Shari’a law to be tried under a Shari’ah Court. They never offered to turn bin Laden over to the US.
Mullah Umar was operating under the traditional law of hospitality for Muslim “guests” and under Islamic law. Of course the Taliban had no extradition treaty with the US.
On the “attacking supply lines” front…there has been another incident this morning. Pakistani militants attacking a US supply depot at Bilal, outside of Peshawar. So there is greater evidence that this is a very real strategy that could seriously impact the efforts in Afghanistan.
Notice how deep the story was buried in the article.
Militants attack US Supply Terminal
I’ve been studying Afghanistan for about 8 years. I’ve come to believe that it has always been a source of high grade opium, and that this is central to its role in world affairs. A lot of things start to make sense when you think about this … the power of the Achemenid empire, Alexander’s miltary quests, the Crusades, the Silk Road, the Age of Discovery, British colonialism and the “Great Game”, the Opium Wars, the Soviet occupation, the American occupation. If not for this highly profitable crop, why would countries all over the world care about Afghanistan — it’s arid, rocky, mountainous and remote?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I…..Routes.jpg
Your links to Conspiracy Theory Sites as proof that your are correct in stating there is no OBL remind me of when Dick Cheney came on some MSM shows and spouted some otherwise unsubstantiated Truths about the build up of WMD and then turned around and said that this was truth and fact because it had been reported on the MSM.
Do you see what I’m saying? I’m just trying to let you see how others may not be persuaded by your arguments and “facts”.
September 1-10, 2001 – 25,000 British troops and the largest British Armada since the Falkland Islands War, part of Operation ‘Essential Harvest,’ are pre-positioned in Oman, the closest point on the Arabian Peninsula to Pakistan. At the same time two U.S. carrier battle groups arrive on station in the Gulf of Arabia just off the Pakistani coast. At the same time, some 17,000 U.S. troops join more than 23,000 NATO troops in Egypt for Operation ‘Bright Star.’
All of these forces are in place before the first plane hits the World Trade Center.
Sources: The Guardian, CNN, FOX, The Observer, International Law Professor Francis Boyle (->), University of Illinois.
http://911review.org/Sept11Wik…..nned.shtml
Your use of the term: “Conspiracy Theory Sites” is interesting.
The 9/11 Commission Report is all about a “Conspiracy Theory.” 9/11 is defined as a conspiracy by our own government. All sites that mention the conspiracy of 9/11 are by your definition “Conspiracy Theory Sites.”
Why would you opt to discount truths that may be found there by lumping together all sites that mention 9/11 in this duragatory way? You are in fact doing the government’s heavy lifting by attacking the messenger.
Nicely done.
No need to be sarcastic. That will only further discredit your authority.
I did not attack you. I gave you my perspective and was trying to show you how others may perceive your arguments.
When a web site hosts a compilation of main stream news source links to enable context and understanding, referring to it in a negative way is just uncalled for. This is a public service – available to all for free. You could refer to them as truth-seeker sites, but you opted not to.
I’m very aware of the perceptions of others…and those that opt to look for excuses not to see the truth right before there eyes will happily use any excuse available:
l thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.”
Michael Rivero
Given that I have provided numerous mainstream media links above to prove that military assets from the UK and US were in fact positioned in the Middle East prior to 9/11, AND that the FBI declines to name Bin Laden as being wanted in connection with 9/11, AND that the FBI refuses to authenticate the purported “Bin Laden Confession video,” what conclusion do you draw?
We can look at evidence all day long and come up with different conclusions.
How you connect the dots is not necessarily they way they connect for me.
I am not a moral coward.
And, I do a lot of thinking.
I’m glad you are “very aware of the perceptions of others”, but I don’t think you are in a position to judge how others perceive.
Thanks, selise. I’ll miss your provocative and enlightening omments here, but also am eager for your links to the hearing.
I really am interested to know your opinion – and that’s why I requested it. Why not tell me what conclusions you draw from the facts listed at 102?
Well prepared, indeed. The UK was able to announce the ‘collapse’ of Bldg. 7 a full 20 minutes before it happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tGOt9f3gKk
Giuliani knew that no. 7 was going to collapse.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0530.html
The firemen knew, too. You hear a boom and the fireman says, “Keep your eye on that building, it’ll be coming down soon”.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNVKznkLXQ
The wonders of video. The truth is there for all to view.
9/11- Who Knew?
Ask Senator Bob Graham
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=3090
Speaking with some military experience, if we do not control our supply lines we are in the technical term- “fucked”.
gwb, rummy, and the “perfumed princes”-political generals, mostly found in the pentagon or sniffing around other seats of power-set everything up on the fact that “our man in Pakistan” a General no less, had taken command and was on “our side” in the “war on terror”.
Except he wasn’t. and Pakistan wasn’t. The Pakistan Army was and is a power unto itself. As is the ISI. They are both deeply in the pockets of Saudis who build Madrasses(again sp unsure) who infuse the illiterate poor with their version of extreme religious fervor. The ISI created the Taliban to attempt to bring the civil war in Afghanistan to a halt. They did, the Taliban also reined in the poppy smugglers and war lords. As for alQaeda, we were there at the birth and we assisted them in their goal of forcing the USSR out of Afghanistan(The USSRs Vietnam) Now we reap what we sowed. The ISI and the Pakistan were always bastards, but because they were anticommunist, they were our BFFs. Until the USSR self destructed. Now we have good old Mr. 10% as president of Pakistan-he has zero control over both the Army and the ISI.(and we have India-a nuclear power & Pakistan-a nuclear power, eyeball to eyeball on the brink of war-which is what the attacks on Mumbai were supposed to accomplish-10 men and they are quite possibly the trigger for the first nuclear war. Nice. Big sigh) We have Karzai, president of Afghanistan-at least to the outskirts of Kabul-one of the most corrupt people in that part of the world.(In charge of a totally corrupt government) and the warlords, don’t forget the warlords. They control the poppy. They are also taking money from the US-kind of like the Sunni awakening councils in Iraq-to not attack the US. However, they are now more or less on the side of the Taliban, who are fighting against the US. MEANWHILE, where is alQaeda? Remember alQaeda? Our real enemy. In Pakistan,in the tribal areas, in the area that really no one, not even the Pak Army really controls. Now we come to our logistics tail. Whose last stop is at Peshwhar(sp? again) and who just got attacked by???? somebody who destroyed 160 vehicles destined for the US Army in Afghanstan. You can not fly in bullets, beans, and fuel. So they have to come by ship, then convoyed thru the Khyber Pass to our main AFB in Afghanistan. So now what do we do? If we can not bribe the Pakistan Army to protect our convoys, we are, in a word, FUCKED.
Can we go thru one of the other stans? Maybe, but only if Russia says OK. And what did gwb and the neocons do just a wee bit of time ago? Why they mightily pissed off Russia by 1-pushing NATO membership on the near countries which border Russia. 2-by backing Georgia in its idiotic war with Russia 3-by signing up Poland as a site for our *new, improved-if unproven* anti missile radar-which we *claim* is to stop all those Iranian ballistic missiles(nuclear tipped no doubt) and 4-by just being all around jerkoffs-pushed by the neocons and ‘the dick’ cheney. So I guess that now we just hope and pray-to the god of gwbs choice of course, no others need apply-that the Pak Army will “try” to prevent any more attacks on our supply lines. None of the “perfumed princes” have any ideas on what to do. Maybe the rethug uber fair haired perfumed price-gen David Patraeus-will come riding on his white horse to the rescue once more, while Sen McCain thinks(and says, and says, and says) that Afghanistan now is “just like Iraq was before the surge” By golly, thats just what we need to do! Put in a Surge. Thats the ticket. It worked in Iraq-or not-so of course it will work in A’stan with its different terrain and different tribal structure-riiiigggght!-We are so fucked. 8 years. 8 years we *looked* for OBL. But when we had him trapped at Bora Bora, rummy gave him a backdoor and he walked out. Nice, real nice. $50MUS price on his head and no one will even attempt to collect. OBL is the Caliph who wants to restore the Caliphate. Bring Islam up from the 7th century all the way to the 12th century. gwb got us into this goat rope, now he leaves and puts the whole mess on Obama. Great, just freekin great. Obama will have to be FDR, Gen Marshall, Ghandi and the Dali Lama all rolled up in one to do this. We are sooo fucked.
This report left out the best part
A military spokesman, reacting to the destruction of 160 vehicles at two motor pools near Peshawar, described the losses as “not significant”.
Wow!
I can imagine that if I had lost 160 vehicles in a single day, my battalion commander might have described this in many different ways, some so colorful as to not be printable even here, but “not significant” isn’t anywhere in my wildest imaginings of what he would have had to say on the topic. I guess the Army’s changed a bit.
Here are my conclusions:
RE: military assets from the UK and US were in fact positioned in the Middle East prior to 9/11…
I don’t know why they were there. We’ve had military assets in a lot of places in the world at various times for a very long time. There could be many reasons. I don’t know and don’t assume that because of that, there was the agenda you refer to.
I also think that the FBI has different reasons for authenticating or not all things OBL.
My conclusion is I Don’t Know.
Fair enough…thanks for responding.
Given all that has transpired, I am not prone to coincidence theory, and assume that everything that occurs is by design. 1,000 coincidences related to 9/11 and all that has followed seems proof enough that we should stop swallowing their stories – and assume the worst of them.