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	<title>Comments on: FDL Movie Night Welcomes David Di Sabatino/ Frisbee: The Life and Death of a Hippie Preacher</title>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“If I am not mistaken, in California where I live, gay couples have all the rights that we do under the law.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Try putting down that you are married on your income tax form. A domestic partnership will not get you those tax breaks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If I am not mistaken, in California where I live, gay couples have all the rights that we do under the law.”</p>
<p>Try putting down that you are married on your income tax form. A domestic partnership will not get you those tax breaks.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m not a believer, although having come out of a strongly Southern Baptist background, and have difficulties dealing with the issues of some particular person being given “gifts from God” over anyone else. But my experiences are such that people of many faiths DO accept this happening to some people…the prophet, the saint, the seer, the shaman. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll accept that people thought this of Lonnie. What I’m interested in is how the “Jesus Movement” was shaped and transformed. I grew up in Southern California about this time and was regularly approached by young strangers who worked very hard to seduce me into their groups. And I’m not afraid to use that term “seduce”…frequently it was a young female who would “come on” quite heavily about coming over to “The House”. And in some of these groups sex and drugs were NOT taboo. Children of God, Maranatha, the People’s Temple and the Moonies (as well as other religious groups that appealed to disaffected youth…like the Hari Krishna) were everywhere. In fact, you practically needed a support-group to avoid their clutches.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t see many of these groups out there that are communally-based, communitarian, accept scaled-down lifestyles (rejecting affluence), and are generally rejectionist of political involvement anymore. All, or most,  of these groups have been absorbed or transformed into organizations that accept “Affluence Doctrine”, and are actively involved in political activities. I suppose this was present quite early, because by the post-Nixon era the People’s Temple, Maranatha (with the Young Republicans), and Reverend Moon were building alliances with politicians.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you have any impression that Lonnie had interest in such things…and is this where the divisions actually lay…rather than with the issue of his homosexuality?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not a believer, although having come out of a strongly Southern Baptist background, and have difficulties dealing with the issues of some particular person being given “gifts from God” over anyone else. But my experiences are such that people of many faiths DO accept this happening to some people…the prophet, the saint, the seer, the shaman. </p>
<p>I’ll accept that people thought this of Lonnie. What I’m interested in is how the “Jesus Movement” was shaped and transformed. I grew up in Southern California about this time and was regularly approached by young strangers who worked very hard to seduce me into their groups. And I’m not afraid to use that term “seduce”…frequently it was a young female who would “come on” quite heavily about coming over to “The House”. And in some of these groups sex and drugs were NOT taboo. Children of God, Maranatha, the People’s Temple and the Moonies (as well as other religious groups that appealed to disaffected youth…like the Hari Krishna) were everywhere. In fact, you practically needed a support-group to avoid their clutches.</p>
<p>I don’t see many of these groups out there that are communally-based, communitarian, accept scaled-down lifestyles (rejecting affluence), and are generally rejectionist of political involvement anymore. All, or most,  of these groups have been absorbed or transformed into organizations that accept “Affluence Doctrine”, and are actively involved in political activities. I suppose this was present quite early, because by the post-Nixon era the People’s Temple, Maranatha (with the Young Republicans), and Reverend Moon were building alliances with politicians.</p>
<p>Do you have any impression that Lonnie had interest in such things…and is this where the divisions actually lay…rather than with the issue of his homosexuality?</p>
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		<title>By: David Di Sabatino</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Di Sabatino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Lisa and all. Enjoyed it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lisa and all. Enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;David, THANK YOU!!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, THANK YOU!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;(pardon my typos!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(pardon my typos!)</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/arts_culture/FDL_Movie_Night_Welcomes_David_Di_Sabatino_Frisbee_The_Lif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dugg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digg.com/arts_culture/FDL_Movie_Night_Welcomes_David_Di_Sabatino_Frisbee_The_Lif" rel="nofollow">dugg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, we are winding down now…david, thank you for being here! Frisbee, Life and death of a Hippie Preacher is available at &lt;a href=&quot;http://lonniefrisbee.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;lonniefrisbee.com&lt;/a&gt; NAd you can contact your locla PBS station and urge them to show it again!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, we are winding down now…david, thank you for being here! Frisbee, Life and death of a Hippie Preacher is available at <a href="http://lonniefrisbee.com" rel="nofollow">lonniefrisbee.com</a> NAd you can contact your locla PBS station and urge them to show it again!</p>
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		<title>By: David Di Sabatino</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Di Sabatino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well… I don’t have a dog in that fight, so, I can’t say that I know the issues. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For me, Lonnie’s story speaks to the way the church deals with people. And for that, I can speak. It is a tragedy when the church, the apparent representative of God on earth, sends the message that someone is not welcome or inferior.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know churches where gays are welcomed openly. I loved being at Glide Memorial in San Francisco. The vibe there was amazing. But I also know that there aren’t a lot of churches like that. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Government is an entirely different ball of wax.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well… I don’t have a dog in that fight, so, I can’t say that I know the issues. </p>
<p>For me, Lonnie’s story speaks to the way the church deals with people. And for that, I can speak. It is a tragedy when the church, the apparent representative of God on earth, sends the message that someone is not welcome or inferior.</p>
<p>I know churches where gays are welcomed openly. I loved being at Glide Memorial in San Francisco. The vibe there was amazing. But I also know that there aren’t a lot of churches like that. </p>
<p>Government is an entirely different ball of wax.</p>
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		<title>By: Cellar47</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cellar47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not every right. As the California State Supreme court noted in its decision “Domestic Partnership” is in no way shape or form equivalent to marriage. It grants only a very small fraction of the rights that marraige has. Wanting samesex marriage is not about a word. It’s about deeds. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes things have changed significantly. Glad you saw &lt;em&gt;Milk&lt;/em&gt;. And I’m glad Gus began the film with that footage. I’m old enough to remember when that was the “norm.”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not every right. As the California State Supreme court noted in its decision “Domestic Partnership” is in no way shape or form equivalent to marriage. It grants only a very small fraction of the rights that marraige has. Wanting samesex marriage is not about a word. It’s about deeds. </p>
<p>Yes things have changed significantly. Glad you saw <em>Milk</em>. And I’m glad Gus began the film with that footage. I’m old enough to remember when that was the “norm.”</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Was this more than a Kumbayah “Feeling Good about Jesus” Movement? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did it depart from the Standard Doctrine of its Host Churches in any meaningful way? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For instance, was the Spirit of Jesus to be found in your own heart, or waited upon until He and his 5,000 Defamation Lawyers Came Back?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was this more than a Kumbayah “Feeling Good about Jesus” Movement? </p>
<p>Did it depart from the Standard Doctrine of its Host Churches in any meaningful way? </p>
<p>For instance, was the Spirit of Jesus to be found in your own heart, or waited upon until He and his 5,000 Defamation Lawyers Came Back?</p>
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