What utter nonsense. Condi is not even a GOOD liar. Thanks, BT

we dont want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.

we can hang that around her neck until she whispers: I give up. I lied.
we dont even need more medieval tools.

they knew they had to have an “imminent threat” .. to sell the idea ..

When can Dr. Rice get gone back from whence she came so competent and informed commentary on what really happened can take the place of such crap? This smacks of the current desperate need for gloss over by all in this failed administration. Too late, sorry, we can read recent history just fine without your washing and trying to obscur it, CondiLiar.

CONDI: On the nuclear side one had to look to the intelligence community to resolve and present to the President a unified view that was their best estimate of what was there.

Why was it necessary to provide a unified view? Give me a break here. The fact that there was dissent should have been part of the discussion.

She has delucions…

Of adequacy.

Pants On Fire

Why, years after the fact & after years of media self-flagellation about the shit job it did in the run-up and promises never top do that again, didn’t she get called on this flat-out bullshit? Why?

These fucking assholes are engaged in the EXACT same kind of collective lying campaign on their way out the door as they used to gin up the war in the first place.

A pack of fucking liars, thieves and casual killers.

-G

delusions.

But they will continue to press their worldview and their version of reality and the corporate MSM oligarchs will continue to pass this version of reality on to the sheeple because they(the sheeple) will believe anything that the networks tell them. And so it goes. As the US sinks further into decline due to lack of education-and what education our children do get is tilted towards…what?? who knows, but we are oh so slowly drowning ourselves into mediocrity. What was that, 80% of college freshmen have to take remedial classes because their K-12 schools have not prepared them for anything. So is it any wonder that the sheeple believe what the corporate hacks tell them? Is it any wonder that you can never get a story that is not slanted the way the corporations want? We are living in our worst nightmare with the bosses able to dictate salaries and hundreds of workers for each job. Been there, done that, got the T shirt, now it is my children and grandchildrens turn. I still foresee the US becoming a theocratic dictatorship with religion taught as science and our version of xristianity exported around the globe thru the might of our military. I give us 50-100 more years as a republic before the final downfall into religious fervor

WE are all aware that 1) the NUCLEAR arm of WMD’s and 2) the linkages with Al Qaida
were the major pillars of the Bush propaganda process. Without these he never would have been able to convince any of the other nations (barring Israel) to support the US at the UN. As well, this was the major key in promoting fear in the American population.

These were two tightly interrelated parts of the argument. No one really cared if Saddam had failed to account for a few hundred Kuwaiti POW’s, or hadn’t fully paid of reparations. If the really were they’d have lifted the Versaille-like embargo allowing them to earn revenue to do so.

And when she speaks of dissent within the Administration…she fails to note that those who dissented were BLOCKED from testifying before even the Senate Intelligence Committee and their dissent was BURIED and they were punished if they brought their doubts to the attention of Congressional policymakers or the public. A minimum of different reports on the efforts to obtain “African” uranium were “lost”…one into the black-hole of the Pentagon (US-European Command General Carleton Fulford and a Navy investigation of Uranium smuggling through Benin), one to State (the current Ambassador to Niger), and one to the the CIA (former Niger and Iraq diplomat Joe Wilson). The fraudulent sourcing of such reports…the “Rome Memos” were noted by the State Department Intelligence Office in Rome…but then “lost”. The DOE’s experts on cyclotrons stated that the “calutron tubes” that supposedly were being smuggled in would simply faiul to perform the “presumed job” and then pointed out that they were obviously matches for petroleum industry items.

Why these reports were shelved, buried, lost and those involved in them marginalized has yet to be assessed even though all of this was supposed to be in the Phase II report of the Senate Intelligence Committees reports.Two years into a Democratic Senate we still don’t have the real picture.

it worked so well lately, they can salvage a legacy for the loser, right. Um, wrong. But, obviously, don’t expect the media to call bullshit. Thank God for blogsters.

deluxe delusions

OH, and just as a BTW, while I retired in 1998 after 28.5 years of toil in the fedgov, I have kept up with friends who also worked in the alphabet agencies and from what I heard the dissenting view was there if anyone in power had the desire to look at evidence that was not within the storyline that they fed to the sheeple. Mushroom clouds and nerve agents abound, Iraq is more dangerous than Germany and Japan were in WWII and far far more dangerous than the 2500 nuclear warhears that the USSR kept aimed at us during the 40 year cold war. Apparently there are suckers born every minute because we the people fell for the line and the fourth estate, the MSM who were supposed to be a check on govt were the biggest cheerleaders of all. Why did we invade Iraq? No, the question should be, why did the neocons push the war with Iraq meme for so many years? For the 7 sisters who wanted to return to Iraq and their ownership of the oil? Iraq was our ally, they fought an 8 year war with 1million+ casualties with our uber enemy IRAN. gwb wanted to finish the war that he felt his daddy did not finish? Was that the reason? the desire to outdo his daddy? Why were Feith and the penagon allowed to cherry pick intel? Where were the adults who could have put a stop to it? Shinseki tried and got fired for his attempt to inject a little reality into the fever dreams of Cheney and Rumsfeld. The analysts were bullied by Cheney who stood over them until they produced the view that he desired. Was it fear? 911 happened, caught the bush people flat footed, even tho many intel agencies had foretold what was going to happen. Those of us who toiled in the basements had a pretty good idea of who,what,whenwas a question, where and why before I retired. We sent the info up the chain, and continued to do so into 2000 and 2001. The problem was that no body in power-other than clark, a holdover that no one listened to-either wanted to hear or were even willing to hear. Never mind, ideology trumps fact every time. As the story goes, shit happens, then you die.

Still and forever the MSM interview the people who,on the occasions when they weren’t simply lying, were consistently and spectacularly wrong. Condi is a MSM expert not in spite of her dishonesty and incompetence but because of them. Ya see it’s this way; the MSM punditi like to interview their peers.

second all THAT post .. just too lazy to type it in today …

You mean the ‘angry left’ bloggers!

-G

Not only was Condi completely incompetent as National Security Advisor, an abysmal failure as Secretary of State, and a shameless liar which is why Bush values her so highly, she is also a mediocre pianist. I look forward to her departure from the national stage, although it is a mystery to me why Stanford would want her back.

Yeah, yeah, yeah!!!! Those are the ones. Than God for the angry left bloggers and the dirty fucking hippies.

I hear she has nice shoes, though. Can’t prove it by me.

Being a liar and ignoring facts is the bona fides for people like Rice. She is a despicable human and a disgrace to the human race.

A cloven hoof can be a difficult fit.

Simple answer: They didn’t want any of this information to become public! What better way than to threaten the Authors and bury their reports into the world of “Classified” vaults! If you can’t see them you can’t ask for them under the Freedom of Information act.

Mushrooms & Rice! Yum.

I’ve never thought of her as a dish, although opinions might vary.

If I remember correctly, wasn’t the Bush Regime touting that Saddam could attack our nation with a nuke in….like….45 minutes? I mean, really, FEAR WAS ON THE MENU BACK THEN AND THAT FEAR WAS BASED ON LIES, DECEITS, AND DISTORTIONS…………………..AND ZERO TRUTH!

There was plenty of publicly available information, because I was able to figure out that Iraq had no WMDs before the invasion. And 6 months before that, I could barely find Iraq on a map (exaggerating for emphasis).

More paragraphs, please.

The “dish” might be more appealing if it were simmered over a low flame for 25 minutes. At least that’s the way I cook my rice dishes.

As I recall, the cost of containing Saddam was roughly $10 billion per year, which USED to seem like a lot of money. In retrospect it sounds like an incredible bargain.

CNN describes Condi’s saying I take responsibility. Damage control squad in full-force resonse to we DFHs pointing out that her guy Dubya totally took no responsibility for nuttin’ nohow.

And the liars’ parade plays on.

If Bush et al were lying then some were the British, the Russians, the Saudis, and on and on. Most believed Saddam possessed them. Hell there were reports his commanders stated they didn’t have them but other commanders did. It was important for him to maintain that illusion and he did it well.

Was there WMD? Now we know there wasn’t – so reports were wrong and Bush was wrong and so on. There is a difference between being wrong and lying. Look it up.

Yes, something tiny by current standards.

However, don’t forget the downside: U.S. military bases in Saudi Arabia that were a thorn in OBL’s side, which blew back on the U.S. And all those sick & dead Iraqis under sanctions. But being hard headed about those, considerably fewer deaths under sanctions than under war.

Dubya suggested recently that he wishes they’d had better intelligence, implying that if he’d known Saddam didn’t have WMD he might not have invaded. Complete crap. Cheney and company planned to invade Iraq before they ever set foot in office. 9/11 provided the blank check to pay for it. Commander in Chimp merely came along for the ride.

The Brits were in on the fix from the beginning. Remember the Downing Street memo? The French were against it from the getgo. Don’t remember about the Russians, somehow I doubt it, but whatever. Most of the smaller countries had their arms twister mightily by the U.S. for U.N. purposes. In other words, they had to use the same LIES to convince their voters as W used in the U.S. Your observation is not indicative of an independent sample.

I think the lies were about how Saddam and his suspected WMDs were an ‘imminent’ threat tot he US. None of the other countries you list felt that Saddam was an imminent threat nor did they have indications that the sanctions in place were not working.

The cherry-picking of intelligence to make it look like Saddam was worse than he was can most definitely be described as lying.

hehe. she tells her ‘lies’ in fluent Orwellian newspeak gooblygook.

What always shocks me is the underlying assumption by almost everyone that if there had been WMD, that justified us starting a war! I assumed Hussein had WMD but never for one second thought that that justified starting a war.

Lots of nations have WMD.

Go back a little further and we have Reagan and Bush the elder transforming Saddam from a two-bit tyrant to a world class pain in the butt and the CIA training mujahedeen in Afghanistan. It seems as if we have never had a foreign policy that wasn’t actively laying the groundwork for future conflict.

But the intelligence didn’t permit frankly, much in the way, of uh, alternatives for the weapons of mass destruction.

Thats the money quote BT Cheney had his own people cooking up intelligence which the White house believed over the objections of almost everyone else.
Now what did the CIA analysts and Pentagon guys say before they were over ruled by loyal Bushies.
That in hindsight will be the last straw.
Cronyism producing group think is this what Harvard MBA’s are taught about managing a company?
Or is Harvard ever going to admit that maybe a legacy diploma is NOT THE SAME AS A REGULAR DIPLOMA...its special, small school bus special.

The Bush Condi exit agenda appears to be one large dare to the country… Go ahead.. try and prosecute us for war crimes, make my day.

Yeah good point Al Quieda justified the war Saddam was contained we were doing still flying planes and bombing anything we wanted to in Iraq before the war.
So just what kind of a threat was Saddam if he could not keep us out of his own airspace?

I was going to write a report around 2002 or 2003, titled: Why the Fall of the Berlin Wall Led to Terrorism, or words to that effect. The main link was that the U.S. trained the terrorists in the attempt to defeat the Soviets, but as you point out, the links are manyfold.

I can’t wait until shrub gets his proposed neocon Freedom Institute think tank together in the basement of his Dallas mcmansion, with Sr Fellows Condi, Wolfey, Gonso and Scooter sittin’ in the dark ’cause the $800 million fundraising campaign has only managed to raise $5,000, from Dick Cheney.

But but

The Iranians have US contractor supplied dirty radioactive oil drilling parts.

Oh the horror.

They be saying that to the US judicial system but if they travel out of the country they are still in violation of international Law. But of course time will tell and we will have wait and see if they are in fact apprehended in some part of rest of the world.

Is that $5000 accurate?

I made that up. I think I heard the fundraising drive is supposed to kick off sometime this month. I’m sure Dick’s good for more than that…..

Stirling Newberry upstairs on India

Who produced the Africa uranium story Cheney? Who pushed intel reports based on “Curveball” and Ahmed Chalabi who glossed over the CIA objections to relying on such flimsy evidence from very questionable people?
Why was that evidence listened to and other better evidence ignored?
(Yes I know they wanted a war) but the MSM still needs to reach this conclusion.

Glad I asked. Suspected it was a snark, but without the tag. But had it been accurated, I’d have spread it far n wide.

I’ve often marveled that the United Nations, a world body created for the ostensible reason of promoting peace, in it’s first action changed the name of Palestine to Israel and in doing so created an intractable source of conflict. I’ve often thought everybody would have been better served if the U.S. had donated Florida for the creation of a new Jewish homeland.

Rice is using the standard Republicans tactic of repeating the lie until it becomes the truth.

Forgery, cherrypicking, stovepiping, leaking info and then citing it as further proof once it was published, the use of shills like Judy Miller and Michael Gordon, the refusal to accept or even acknowledge contrary information, the jingoism, the assertion of “imminent” threat in the absence of any, they used them all and now they blame it on everyone but themselves. But seriously, do any of us think that Ms. “No one could have predicted” has any credibility at all on anything.

Yellowcake for dessert too!

-G

Thanks Blue, and how about adding the ‘Mother of all Facts’, the ‘Smoking Gun’ on proving Condi and the neocon Bushies criminal liars.
Here we have the man who was paid to know, Drumheller the CIA’s top man in Europe, the head of covert operations, calling them all liars.
live on 60 Minutes, video at link below…

“A Spy Speaks Out
Former Top CIA Official On “Faulty” Intelligence Claims

(CBS) When no weapons of mass destruction surfaced in Iraq, President Bush insisted that all those WMD claims before the war were the result of faulty intelligence. But a former top CIA official, Tyler Drumheller — a 26-year veteran of the agency — has decided to do something CIA officials at his level almost never do: Speak out.

He tells correspondent Ed Bradley the real failure was not in the intelligence community but in the White House. He says he saw how the Bush administration, time and again, welcomed intelligence that fit the president’s determination to go to war and turned a blind eye to intelligence that did not.

“It just sticks in my craw every time I hear them say it’s an intelligence failure. It’s an intelligence failure. This was a policy failure,” Drumheller tells Bradley.

Drumheller was the CIA’s top man in Europe, the head of covert operations there, until he retired a year ago. He says he saw firsthand how the White House promoted intelligence it liked and ignored intelligence it didn’t:

“The idea of going after Iraq was U.S. policy. It was going to happen one way or the other,” says Drumheller.

Drumheller says he doesn’t think it mattered very much to the administration what the intelligence community had to say. “I think it mattered it if verified. This basic belief that had taken hold in the U.S. government that now is the time, we had the means, all we needed was the will,” he says. ‘
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..7749.shtml

CONDI: We talked a lot about dissenting views.
…and how we could supress them, engage in character assassination on anyone expressing them, and push them out of any position of responsibility.

Yeah, I bet you did talk a lot about dissenting views. In case you don’t remember, Condi, that’s how Valerie Plame got outed, you disingenuous treasonous piece of offal.

Rice could very well be telling the truth about going to war anyway. It is not politically advantageous for them to discuss putting our troops in the Middle East in order to present Islamic extremists with an easy target, as compared to targets in the United States. Almost nobody talks about this, but it’s more than likely such a consideration is part of the reason we will continue having troops there, under an Obama administration and maybe even longer. That fact gets so very little exposure, because what politician would want to end their career by talking about using our troops as sacrificial targets.

Meanwhile, bombs have continued going off in Iraq day after day. We as a people have failed future generations by allowing our culture to be shaped by authoritarian leaders who have mostly their own best interests in mind. There have been protests by the people, but so few so late and attended by such a very small percentage of the population. How many marches have we had targeting MSM and their artificial coverage of the world? What measures have we taken to restore credibility and honor to journalism? I’d just hazard a guess at least one in ten people think MSM news is totally fucked, but how many people have protested that? 1 in 25,000?

This was just about Condi Rice, though, so I apologize about the rant. We all know she’s a lying, conniving bitch. She’s almost as responsible for the death and mayhem as Bush is. She is not a good person, and because of her complicity and own actions she is just as slimy as Karl Rove. But we may have invaded Iraq anyway, because this way our troops get blown to shit instead of our cities. I’m just saying.

Rice could very well be telling the truth about going to war anyway.

I don’t doubt that they wanted to, but no way do they get the political support necessary without “mushroom clouds.”

This is a woman who, at her Congressional confirmational hearing, objected to Barbara Boxer suggesting that Condi was less than honest about the war. How can she live with herself!!!??

The same way that Bush has no trouble going to sleep at night after screwing over the US.

Thank you, ES. I’ve been trying to figure out what was behind Rice appearing on 3 (or more?) Sunday shows the same day. I think you’ve answered my question. I hope they have to look over their shoulder every second of every day, and have nightmares every night for what they’ve done.