Great…this exactly was the Austin paper frontpage headline. “Great minds..”

Frightening.

I knew LBJ would come through someday.

does this mean shrub could be accused of being treasonous in any way?

OT, but why are we still spending money on this crap? – CNN: “Missile-shield shootdown test is success, Pentagon says”

Heh. Reading Nixonland. That isn’t all Nixon did!

Anyone know the link for creating an Oxdown diary?

The people at the Pentagon still have jobs.

Someone really ought to grill them in the Senate.
“So how much fuel did it take to launch? How much money was spent? Are you taking commercial jets home?” etc.

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/
Go for it!

Click on the Oxdown link above and it will take you to the Oxdown front page. From there, scroll down and below the list of the current diaries, is a toolbox. Click on “Post a Diary” and have at it.

Yea eCAHN! Go for it.

Doesn’t work for me. Just sez previous diaries at the bottom of each page. Do I have to click back to the year 00 to find it?

eCAHN,
Here’s a link:
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/post

My jaw might drop at this news, but I don’t think I’d drop my pants or my drawers over it. (heh.) (/pedantic proofreader)

LBJ and Nixon were old school pols. In private, they didn’t mince words.

Bob in HI

Just go up top here, hit home, underneath the front page is a box that lists top diarys at the bottom of the box is another box that says “write diary” click on it

Rayguns, or rather his handlers, learned well from the Nxonites which is why w got the “October Surprise” zapping Carter and the Dem party for lo these many years. The corporations that are in charge will stop at nothing to keep their power.

PS. Keep at it Ecahn… I am looking forward to reading.

Thanks. I emailed selise & she’s gonna walk me through it. I have it prepared as a word doc, with tables, so it will probably take some fussing that I won’t be able to figure out for myself. I’ll save your link for future ref.

You don’t have a “Toolbox” on the right below the diaries (and an ad) and above the Blogroll at Oxdown? The “Post Diary” link is in the Toolbox (along with the standard Toolbox info like “Support This Site” etc.)

Scroll down until you see the big blue box of Recommended Diaries, and, look for the ‘Create a Diary’ Button… Click it…! ;-)

It’s a reference doc about employment data. Boring, but necessary for the nonwonks. So don’t get anticipatory excitement.

And thanks to everyone who is telling me how to get there!

Well? Why’re ya still here…? *g*

Having lived through the Johnson and Nixon years, this does not surprise me one bit. LBJ had his bad points, but he did the right thing in regard to civil rights, though he knew it would cost him politically. Nixon never stood up for anything noble. Watergate was paltry criminality compared to this revelation of outright treason.

this last election, like sooo reminded me of ‘68. Like, McCain was just commin’ on, ya know? Really raisin’ doubts about Obama pallin around with terrists. If the election was a few weeks later, McCain woulda won. Just like HHH in ‘68. Momentum, man.

Cause I’m waiting for selise to work on my word doc! *g*

Hmmm… Now I definitely have to read it…! ;-)

So, to sum up the recent record of incoming GOP administrations following Democratic administrations:

- Nixon undermining LBJ’s Vietnam negotiations
- Reagan undermining Carter’s negotiations over the Iran hostage crisis
- W’s people telling the Israelis not to make a deal with Clinton, because they could get a better one from them.

Party over country every time. Have I missed any examples of illegal private foreign policy actions and treasonous undermining of the duly elected head of state?

Read Nixonland. I too lived thru the Johnson-Nixon years as an adult but was not very tuned into politics. Even if you were, the book includes not only myriad things that you’d missed or forgotten, but also gives everything meaning that you might not have been aware of at the time.

Wasn’t Ronny Raygun allegedly involved in telling Iran to not make a deal with Carter.

See redshift 25.

redshift posted while I was typing

I guessed that was probably the case.

Everyone here hates Nixon.

So be it.

But please look very carefully at LBJ.

Nixon was a creature of his time, as was LBJ.

But if you’re looking for evil, don’t look just at Nixon. Look at LBJ. And John F. Kennedy.

Heh, now we’re talking about my era… I’ve read numerous accounts about that little bit of treason! The failure of ‘Desert Eagle’ didn’t help Carter’s cause either…!

Nixonland does a fair job of showing some of LBJ’s weaknesses, but increasingly books are showing both his & JFK’s feet of clay. I’ve always been aware that LBJ is a package of some really good stuff and some really bad stuff. (Friend in TX tells me he had at least one person bumped off, but I have no idea how credible that is.) But as I read more about JFK, I wonder why people think he was so great. It’s a mystery to me.

Wow. Bay Buchanan sez can’t let auto industry go under.

Rumsfeld said you don’t go to war with the army you wish you had, you go with the army you have. Following Nixon, Carter didn’t have much. As a result of the failure of that mission special operations command was created.

That Carter mission was bullcrap. It has nothing to do with lack of military resources. Wouldn’t have needed much to do that. It had to do with complete military incompetence.

The creation of SOFCOM and SOF cells is a mixed bag… It did specialize the varying Branches’ Special Ops, but, it also created an extraterritorial tool, outside any viable congressional oversight, that has been utilized in highly dubious ways…

Yeah, a bunch of assassins running around the world with no rules in the name of the U.S. What could possibly go wrong with that?

That was part of the point FM was making, eCAHN…! ;-)

That was the point I was reemphasizing. Everything good deserves to be stated many times, louder at each repetition!

Having worked alongside a SF group, they’d take serious issue with the assassins analogy… That’s typically a CIA op maybe with a military tasking from time to time…!

New Ian post

Good catch, thanks.

Yes, the CIA are the typical U.S. assassins and the military pretends to have rules. But color me skeptical. Any group that lives to kill and has no oversight, hmmmm.

Having lived through the Johnson and Nixon years, this does not surprise me one bit. LBJ had his bad points, but he did the right thing in regard to civil rights, though he knew it would cost him politically. Nixon never stood up for anything noble.

I think there’s a valuable lesson to be learned here. LBJ didn’t sign the civil rights legislation we remember him for because that was his big issue. MLK had to push him to do it, almost dragging him kicking and screaming.

This is like the FDR story about telling the progressives, “Fine. Good program. Now make me do it” or words to that effect.

I think Obama will do the right thing– but only if we make him do it.

Bob in HI

Her brother wrote the same thing in a column earlier this week. Said saving GM would be a good thing for the GOP.

How do we make Obama do it?

Heh. So some wingnuts get the point. Maybe the Buchs should talk to Shelby & Corkhead.

Not really sure what you’re talking about. Where’s the word “evil” in this post?

“Live to Kill”

Heh, Do you chalk me up in that column, M’dear…? *g*

Are you special ops?

Public pressure. Uniting under an ACLU campaign for this, a MoveOn.org campaign for that, writing letters to our congress critters, signing petitions, you know the drill.

Bob in HI

OK. Just checking to see if you had any new thoughts.

I think that kind of pressure on Obama won’t be enuf cause he’s now shown how conservative he is.

The kind of pressure on FDR would be more like it, but won’t happen now.

But, Bob, a very young Bill Moyers witnessed the signing and said that LBJ’s only regret about the bill was that he would be signing the South away from the Dem Party for a generation… Well, one could argue that we’re on the second generation already…!

MLK had to push him to do it, almost dragging him kicking and screaming.

I think this overstates the relationship between Johnson and King. Johnson came around for lots of reasons, but once he decided it was the right path, he wasn’t kicking and screaming. And I’m not sure King was the main influence.

I was Airborne that worked with the SF… Q school is brutal…!

Tell me how U.S. special ops differ from “illegal combatants.”

CT,
That q isn’t a snark, it’s genuine. I’ve never understood what an illegal combatant was except they don’t wear uniforms, and neither do U.S. special ops. So I’m really trying to figure out what the diff is.

They don’t wear uniforms per se, because when they’re inserted they’re encouraged to go ‘native’ and respect the native dress and customs… Btw, each team of 12 has at least three fluent native speakers with the rest given some fluency training…. Each group concentrates on a specific region and hence they recruit accordingly… I fail to grasp how you deem them ‘illegal combatants’ merely because they don’t wear uniforms… They also do what they’re ordered…

How would saving Gm be good for the GOP? By saving Nascar?

When will the Democrats have the courage to hold Republicons accountable for their many treasons? Republicons need to see their own who have committed treason swinging from the gallows before they change their ways.

The Miami Hearld ask’s says Detroit should be bailed out.

The collapse of the U.S. domestic auto industry would cause suffering not only in Detroit but everywhere in this country, from Wall Street to the streets of South Florida.

Such a collapse would be devastating and could cost nearly three million jobs in the first year, according to a study released this month by the Center for Automotive Research. The Ann Arbor, Mich.-based researchers also project that U.S. personal income would drop by $150.7 billion, government payments for unemployment insurance and other aid would increase by $14.3 billion, Social Security receipts would drop by $21.1 billon and personal income tax collections would fall by $24.7 billion.

http://www.miamiherald.com/opi…..67513.html

I don’t know if this has been posted before.

http://gmfactsandfiction.com/f…..s/#answer2

Will the big 3 lay off lawyers?

Frank told the three that some lawmakers would find it difficult to support aid unless the companies abandoned lawsuits filed against several states seeking to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..aPHi2s0NUE

This is well-known among Vietnam historians, but not often discussed by them — it’s more controversial than My Lai.

Google “Anna Chan Chennault Paris 1968″ and see the links therein. Chennault was sent by Nixon to sabotage the talks.