Listening to the insufferable Bob Corker of Tennessee hector Ron Gettelfinger in the auto industry hearings is getting hard to take. He's demanding that the UAW screw over its pensioners because their reluctance to sacrifice the fund they paid into over a lifetime is somehow making the Detroit auto makers uncompetitive, and says that Republicans will be happy to give the companies money on the condition that they file bankruptcy and tear up their union contracts.
It's all about union busting.
He hasn't mentioned the subsidies his own state of Tennessee has given to foreign automakers, making it harder for the Big 2 1/2 to compete:
Tennessee offered its richest incentive package — and perhaps the most government assistance and tax breaks ever for an American automobile plant — to lure Volkswagen to Chattanooga.
But the state’s chief business recruiter said Wednesday that the benefits from VW’s $1 billion assembly plant far will exceed what could top $500 million in government assistance and tax breaks for the project.
“The Volkswagen investment in this community is going to have a tremendous economic gain for the entire region,” said Matt Kisber, Tennessee’s commissioner for economic and community development. “I’m confident we’re going to have a very reasonable incentive package when you look at the initial costs of what is being offered compared with a much bigger long-term return.”
Yes, that's the logic -- these incentives will bring more money to the region than they cost. But it doesn't always work out that way. Ask South Carolina:
By the late 1990s there were signs that the big giveaway to BMW by South Carolina was exacerbating a fiscal crisis in the state. While the carmaker and other companies were enjoying minimal levels of corporate taxation, the state's schools were falling into greater disrepair and educational achievement was worsening. Funds for other government services such as highway maintenance and public safety were also in short supply, leading to tax increases for families. "The foreign companies that come in here don't care that the schools are terrible," one philanthropist told a reporter. "They just want the cheap labor. And the incentives are so extraordinary."
As David Cay Johnston noted in Free Lunch, these kinds of subsidies frequently wind up costing communities much more than they ever make back:
Johnson writes: "The tribute Cabela's demanded from Hamburg [Pennsylvania] amounted to roughly $8,000 for each man, woman, and child in town." Johnson points out that between 2004 and 2006, Cabela's earned $223.4 million. During those years, it collected at least $293.7 million in subsidies, more than its reported profits. Meanwhile a family business selling fishing and hunting gear was driven out of business in Hamburg.
Funny nobody is mentioning this.
Bob Casey also takes on the $73 an hour myth that Richard Shelby, John Kyl and others keep repeating. "It's a lie, and they know it's a lie" said Casey.
Login Here
Spotlight



Support this site!
Keep
up with news
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Advanced search


RSS/XML Feed
Corker is really unsufferable. Furiously sticking pins into doll.
The big advantage of Corker though is that he is outlouding the union busting plan. As bad as it is, it’s better to have it out in the open than not to be able to talk about it.
Corker wants an auto industry to be profitable at the trough. I’ve gone through a lot of data on a lot of cyclical industries in the U.S. in the post-WWII period, and I can’t think of a single one that’s ever met that criteria. But lack of evidence notwithstanding, watch that become the new standard for autos.
Isn’t there a time limit on Corker? Is that because he’s a R? Where’s the hook to pull him off the stage?
Nobody has the freedom to tell him to go fuck himself so we just have to listen to this.
He told them that they were all going to be “going to spas and getting facials.”
You can tell that they’re all getting tight lipped and pissed.
Jesus he’s a smug, patronizing asshole.
Yes, the last response was basically: I disagree with everything you (Corker) said, but you have all the power, so do whatever you’re going to do. (While muttering FU under his breath.)
Impossible, I’d say. He just chased me away from a tv, right after he got Wagoner to start defending union boss Gettelfinger.
Thanks Harold! Thanks Lizard Brain!
Y’all ran such a bang-up campaign for that Senate seat, the rest of the country is forced to listen to Corker pontificate.
Does the fact that he’s a freshman mean they’ll give his opinion less weight, or, as usual, with the Ds bend over backwards to accomodate the R?
Boy, that panel must have really strong bladders. They sat still for nearly 4 hours.
It is Fucking Ronnie Raygun all over again!!! Bastards. These Union people have worked their asses of for years and deserve to get “Their” Golden Parachutes just like the Captains of Industry. Seems to me if a Corporation has to honory their CEO’s contract then the Coporation needs to honor the worker’s contract!
These Republicans are always about screwing the little guy and helping the Fucking Rich Bastards!
WE as Bloggers need to go after all the Republicans come each one of their election cycles and highlight how they are always making the little guy pay for the big Guy’s excesses. Hopefully we can motivate the public to vote against these protectors of the rich and vote for good Progressive Candidates who will look to protect the common people at the expense of the Rich. The Rich have had it “Their Way” for way too long and this needs to be changed!
Union pensions and benefits are deferred compensation, wages given up over a lifetime of work. In exchange, companies and their managers “achieved” superior financial performance, and “earned” executive-level bonuses for decades.
Neocons want wage earners to give up the futures they’ve already bought and paid for with their labor. Managers earned much of their take from that deal annually, so they’ve already had most of their rewards. The argument has nothing to do with “competitiveness”. It’s about who takes the hit to pay for the inevitable corporate restructuring in a globalized world. The Carly Fiorina’s and Rick Wagoners aren’t sacrificing their paydays. Their wealth is being used to game the system so that only the other guy pays the bill.
That’s pretty much SOP for GWB, except the stakes today aren’t just about the future of a single company, union or industry. It’s the US economy. We can all hang together, or hang separately. If the latter, the Fiorinas and Cheneys and Wagoners will drown their sorrows on the beach, former UAW and non-union employees in the bread line. (Though if Grover Norquist has his way, there won’t be one of those, either.) There’s nothing “fair” about any of this; it’s a street fight, though still only figuratively.
Second your rant, and raise you one rant.
I worked in the economic development department of a gas/electric utility and I worked with a number of people who purport to help companies find the best locations for new operations. I can tell you this. The first question on their shopping list is NOT: educational level of the workforce. It is NOT access to highways or rail or fiber optic cables. It is not even availability of technology or a spec building. It is:
Is this a Right to Work State.
The second question is:
How much do you think we can squeeze out of the state and municipality to get us in there?
And that, as Edith Ann used to say, is the trooof.
And this is his second long stint. He monopolized the thing similarly around 2pm. When Dodd finally cut that one off he said something about Corker having yielded time earlier, so there must be a ploy at work.
Marx was right. “Workers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains.” The double standard and hypocrisy of Congress is there for all to see.
I still think Corker may have participated in an SEC violation…And his mis- statement on the DOE loans rejection should get him a BIG petition against him.
The spas and facials remark referred to Chrysler looking for a suitor.
Not wanting to defend the a**hat, just being fair about what he meant.
You’ve never sat through an auto company “strategy” meeting. Four hours is about how long it is until the first coffee break.
Thanks eCANH (:>)) I just get so fucking tired of the Republican mantra of screw the little guy. I just wonder when all the little guy’s are going to relize that the Republicans don’t care one whit about them. You can look at so many areas of their policy go9als and see there is no place for the little guy! From Health care to job pay, benefits, retirement and safety just to name a few. Oh and don’t get me started on Tax policy… It is all tilted to the rich and basically fuck you to the rest of us. When oh when are the 95%er’s going to see the light?
Glad you put strategy in quotes. At least I now know where their strong bladders come from.
what is wrong with these guys? fuck corker. what i want to know is when reid said yesterday there are not the votes in the senate - which senators were willing to vote for 20x the amount for wall street and nothing for workers? amazing they are not just willing to say “fuck you” to so many working american - it seems like some of them want to.
and paulson refuses to use the TARP, claiming that is not what congress wants them to do - and yet both the fed and treasury refused to show up for today’s hearing.
I was away at lunch so just read the comments over at EW’s. I would be looking for any suspiciouos selling before Corker dropped his new comment about DOE. He is a Republican so of course he would have told a buddy or ten.
Citizen eCAHNomics:
“The big advantage of Corker though is that he’s outloading the unionbusting plan.”
BINGO…you win the Norske Political Analysis Award (NPAA) for today! Anti-union politics blew up with the stock market and the election killed what’s left of the Southern based open shop, cheap labor beast. Ya think that the EFCA won’t blow a hole in the Walmart balloon?!
I jest got back from a nice chat with our local banker, settin’ up a cheap credit line overdraft protection and this guy, who is a life long friend of my wife’s family and a personal friend of mine made me sound like a middle a the road “liberal” when talkin’ about Obama’s election and what it means for change in the financial business and economy. The political world changed November 4th and folks like Corker are dead men walkin’.
If it takes a Depression to bust the unions you can bet that all Republicons and probably some Democrats are willing to pay that price. If there is a Depression then it’s imcumbent on the people to bust the current socialist system for the rich and make it a socialist system were everyone enjoys the benefits.
I look at it from the macroeconomic POV. Without workers earning good income, you don’t have a sustainable economy. It took a long time for the consequences of treating workers badly, but that’s the fundamental cause of the dire economy we’re now experiencing. If workers were getting their fair share, then the FRB would not have had to run a monetary policy that inflated home values so consumers could use their houses as ATMs.
You can take that runon sentence out & shoot it. I’m too frustrated to write it properly.
I think that’s exactly right. Squeezing state and local municipalities is a SOP. I’ve seen Telco’s, big auto, big box retail, etc., do it. If often buys a lot of support in Congress, too, especially when an industry consolidates, like Telcos and intel [sic] firms in Northern Virginia, or foreign auto companies in Alabama and South Carolina.
Rarely are the promises made to the public for such subsidies fulfilled. As with when a developer cuts down old-growth hardwoods or rips prized architectural features off building facades, once done, most governments haven’t the stomach or chutzpah to argue about it.
Their brains ceased functioning about the time of Herbert Hoover.
Pretty amazingly disgusting.
i’m sure cox will be right on that. /s
and when cox does nothing, i’m sure congress will act - write a sternly worded letter or something.
We need English majors here now!!
And who is speaking to this fact?
“But as attacks on “gold-plated pensions” for workers renew, don’t forget what the Wall Street Journal reported two years ago:
GM worker pensions are set aside in an investment fund that earns billions and “offset[s] the pensions’ expense,” while CEO pensions are “Unfunded to the tune of $1.4 billion, [and] detracts from GM’s bottom line each year. Just how much is a mystery, because GM doesn’t break out the figure.”
linky
Furthermore, WSJ reported: “GM has often said its U.S. pension plans added about $800 to the cost of each car made in the U.S. in 2004. It declines to say how much was due to executive pensions.”
David Sirota and Jonathan Tasini blogged it at the time.
I’m fond of FDLs grammar police.
dude - i’m hopeless in the best of circumstances.
BINGO BINGO and Run on sentence be dammed!
If the workers can’t buy the products the companies can’t sell their shit… Sounds like a Lose Lose situation to me…. What ever happened to Win Win and partnership with the company so everyone gains not just the top??
win win doesn’t get you to neo-feudal.
Neofeudal! Brilliant. Did you coin that yourself?
Helicopter Ben is up from earlier today. What odds am I given that he’ll say regulation, deregulation, or liquidity trap?
Corker is an insufferable ass… He obviously had a BIG swig of the Shelby/RNCC KoolAide this morning before the hearing started…
See how well his pals on wall street reacted…
I was not a very popular person because I always hold to the theory that a community’s best economic development investment is in people who are already there or who are there and want to start a business there. Bill Gates did not end up where he did in the State of Washington because they paid him to be there: He grew up there and wanted to be there. He grew the thing from the ground up. But people are so wound up in the game of “if they offer incentives so do we” that they lose sight of the fact that if someone would leave where they are for incentives with you — then they are just one incentive package away…from leaving you and going someplace else. They..do..not..care. Better to invest locally.
The official term is beggar-thy-neighbor policies.
don’t think so. but i’ve probably been using it since 2003 (hanging out with all those anti-corporate globalization folks organizing against the ftaa was another of those eye hoping experiences that this decade seems to have been filled with).
Bob casey’s saying something intelligent?
wonders never cease… Of course, he is known for being good on labor issues.
OT- Special counsel faults Paulose
Yep..and do NOT get me into the whole “Empire Zone” discussion, either..I’ve seen some ‘employee shell game’ tactics that were positively mind bending.
bernanke:
forclosures, delinquencies up. sales down.
inventories close to record highs. residential construction expect to remain soft for some time.
mortgage related losses have made lending institutions less willing to lend [eCAHN - does this count as a statement on liquidity?]
weakness in the housing market has proven to be a significant drag on the economy.
blah blah. he might as well be reading from the multiplication tables….
wow. bernanke did mention the word “liquidty” out loud.
does this mean hell is about to freeze over?
Good Point. The sports teams and auto racers should pay for their own stadiums/tracks also. The hypocrisy of these Repubs who beat up working people while they accomodate big business with incentives and tax breaks is disgusting. Who the f**k is supposed to buy the widgets?
I dont’ think so. I think the liquidity trap refers to a lack of demand for credit, not a lack of supply. But I’m not sure so I’ll check it out.
You got that right.
damn. gotta go again. i have nothing coherent to say anyway.
Ahem(whispering) - they don’t care…
yeah, i didn’t the word “trap” in conjunction with liquidity. too pissed to really listen well anyway.
damn.
was very unpopular a year ago when our little town of 12,000 gave away $25.3 million in incentives for a mixed use retail development - none of which would be owned locally
shouted down as anti growth and anti job ($8/hr !) but also knew it would hurt local independently owned businesses
got a little peedy-ody at the last and went on a tear about the coming economic crisis, finishing with a “good luck finding any credit !”
a year later it sits undeveloped and now I’m the scary, psychic waitress who predicted the Econolypse :D
more Ice Tea my dears ?
The Chinese made widgets?
Liquidity trap definition seems to be imprecise. The most common feature of the various opinions are that it is a situation of ineffective monetary policy with interest rates in the neighborhood of zero. As to whether its supply of or demand for credit, opinions are fuzzy.
This is the big problem now. No one to buy the widgets. Are the Democrats going to allow the Republicans to frame this issue and win it? You can’t both outsource American jobs and have American customers.
well… for what it’s worth, CNN is running a grim daily national job loss tracker, and its been averaging just south of 20,000-25,000 per day in the last few. Annualize that and it gets kinda scary.
I watched this thing for the entire 5 or so hours and everytime Corker talked, he kept focusing on Gettlefinger. Casey and Dodd had to educate Shelby and Corker on the facts. It was so annoying listening to Corker, too. I could tell Dodd was getting tired of listening to him go on and on about union concessions, but he had to be nice to him in the end.
ooo, don’t get me on retail development either. Or, for that matter, in no particular order: prisons, casinos, or back office. I told my boss that I’d rather that we worked with a guy who wanted to do a slaughterhouse and had all the local livestock folks lined up than a big back office. He told me I was nuts. I even had someone lined up to do a complete destruct system for all the parts no one wants from a slaughterhouse..but…nope. I had Cornell’s expert on kosher and Halal slaughter lined up to do the consult as well…but…no.
There is one casino that I have had a bit of respect for and that’s the Turning Stone from the Oneida Nation. I was living in Rome, NY when it opened and I was always truck by one statement of the leader, Ray Halbritton:
We will not serve alcohol as it would be hypocritical for us to do so given our people’s historic problems with alcohol.
I think they are one of the few casinos in the world that is alcohol free.
Heh. One local mini-cattle farmer (herd of about 20) takes his cattle to PA for slaughter. It’s probably right over the border, so not that long a drive, maybe an hour, but still. There’s a huge Jehovah’s Witness cattle farm about 5 miles south of me, but I’d guess they do their own slaughter.
Is it profitable?
Have you ever done an Environmental Impact Study on a slauterhouse operation?
Marx was wrong. He predicted capitalist societies would be first to adopt communism. Instead it was China and Russia, agrarian societies where the truly abused peasants had no where to go but up. For some reason workers identify with bosses, not with each other which is why it is so difficult to get people to think and act collectively. We worship individualism and abhor anything that smacks of government intervention that favors workers. It destroys ambition. It’s class warfare. The wealthy are winning by default.
In a previous post I suggested we mobilize to support the actors guild. If that’s not your cause, pick another-auto workers perhaps. We have to think of something more effective than ranting on blogs.
Those guys are probably all taking Detrol or some other med that prevents “accidents.”
Well, they paid off their original construction loans/mortgages in about six months and have expanded multiple times since they first opened, so yeah, I think they are fairly profitable without alcohol (and without slot machines per NY State law - although they do have video poker IIRC)
I would imagine a slaughterhouse EIS looks something like an evaluation of shrubco’s environmental record…
It should be noted, to wit, that it’s been standard operating procedure for states to give away the farm to lure/bribe some freeloading transnational into parking its fat ass within their boundaries.
Typical procedure:
Tula upstairs on “Here’s Why We Need Employee Free choice Act”
As Warren Buffett said, “there is a class war going on and my class has been winning!” Marx was wrong about where communism would first appear but much of his analysis was prophetic.
In a previous post I suggested we mobilize to support the actors guild. If that’s not your cause, pick another-auto workers perhaps. We have to think of something more effective than ranting on blogs.
One big union and a general strike would do far more to clean house in Washington than sham elections.
I had a Letter to the Editor published today in the Columbia,SC newspaper.
http://www.thestate.com/letters/story/610620.html
The good part:
agreed. but with the big unions, i’m pretty sure they are not going to be willing to challenge the dems in any serious way for some time. they probably feel they need to make nice in order to get employee free choice passed. but if the dems don’t seriously support that and they sell out the auto union my guess is that will change things significantly.
also… please don’t assume that because someone rants on a blog that is all they do. i know i’m not doing enough, but i’m doing what i can. always open to better ideas though.
I don’t think we’re up to general strikes or withholding tax payments or anything that smacks of illegality. We have the internet, a great tool, but we lack the means to make it effective. How do we get together? We can create blogs or sites for every town based on putting the town’s checkbook online. People would be interested in that at a local level, seeing where every public dollar went, but how to get the sites to interact. There’s an effort here at FDL to connect blogs. I’m not sure it works that well and it does not contribute to collective action. I don’t know how many hits FDL gets a day (I understand around 60,000) how many are unique and how many, like me, come on three or four times. Take the five or so connected blogs. How can they be more integrated, say a post on one gets on all. I’m thinking out loud now. I have no idea how it could work. I guess what I’m saying is how do you have a meaningful conversation amongst a million people?
Ian’s a couple of flights upstairs
Right to Work = Right to Fire employees with impunity.
Managers get the Carly Fiorina shuffle, failures paid well to STFU about their own and their companies’ failures. George Bush is about to do the same dance. He will shortly be paid eight figure fees to “write a book” or “speechify”, dazzling us with his misunderestimated loquaciousness. Average Americans? They get the boot and have to live with their employer’s as well as their own failings.
Like the propaganda phrase “clean coal”, “Right to Work” should be stricken from use or placed in quotes. It means the opposite of what it says.
I hope you are right. There aren’t enough bad things that can happen to these a**holes.
In the L.A. Times, Neal Gabler has an article that analyzes exactly what “conservative” Republicans have been doing, tracing their strategy back to Senator McCarthy, not to Senator Goldwater, who in 1964 lost in one of the biggest landslides in American electoral history and wrested the party from its Eastern establishment wing.
What Gabler believes is that, because of this tradition, the Republican Party will continue to move rightward. Fear and blame; rabble-rousing; the Rush Limbaughs and Sean Hannitys and Bill O’Reillys; and now Palin. This is the direction the Party will take. Probably because it cannot be believed as the party of small government or fiscal responsibility or moral integrity; all credibility lost in the harsh reality of events; at least not until people forget and these actualities become memories and fade. It is a dangerous approach because it incites people to do violent things, especially as times become more stringent.
According to Gabler, the myth made it possible for Nixon to hide behind and co-opte conservatism, talking like a conservative while governing like a moderate, disenchanting true believers. Ronald Reagan, next, embraced it wholeheartedly, becoming the patron saint of conservatism and making it the dominant ideology in the country, even though he didn’t practice it in terms of fiscal responsibility or size of government. George W. Bush picked up Reagan’s fallen standard and “conservatized” government even more thoroughly than Reagan had, cheering conservatives until his presidency came crashing down around him. That’s how Gabler believes the mythology tells it.
Gabler’s thesis is that the real connection is from Sen. Joe McCarthy, to Nixon to Bush and possibly now to Sarah Palin. McCarthy attacked alleged communists and the Democrats whom he accused of shielding them, as well as the centrist American establishment, Eastern intellectuals and the power class, many of whom were Republicans, including moderate ones. McCarthyism became a means to play on the anxieties of Americans, convincing them of danger and conspiracy even when they didn’t exist, which he used to build power and support. George H.W. Bush used it to get himself elected, terrifying voters with Willie Horton (and denigrating Dukakis as a commander-in-chief). His son used fear of 9/11 and convincing voters that John Kerry was a coward and a liar and would hand the nation over to terrorists, tried and true McCarthy tactics used very aggressively, and W. then used fear and stealth in pushing through totalitarian unconstitutional measures. The thread continued through McCain and then Palin, probably through Rove (who also coached W.), and I quote from Gabler, “That’s why John McCain kept describing Barack Obama as some sort of alien and why Palin, taking a page right out of the McCarthy playbook, kept pushing Obama’s relationship with onetime radical William Ayers.”
It is, I believe a shame, because some of the original precepts of fiscal responsibility and keeping government out of peoples’ lives and moral integrity are well worth preserving. The Republican Party which stood for those princples was a Grand Old Party. But, I hate to say it, those are all too easily trumped by fear-mongering and, I might add, difficult to achieve. I would nominate the Republican Party today as the Party of Fear, as opposed to the Party of Solutions. And, if that’s the direction it’s going in, yes, it’s a shame.
The consistent thing about guys like Jeb Bush, in line with the old Republican philosophy, is to be against something, not for it; to be in a position to scare people, not to advocate good positive things. Putting people and ideas down is the tack they have taken; witness McCain’s whole campaign; witness Sarah’s natural proclivities. So Jeb Bush starts off by surfacing and proposing that the Republicans start a “shadow government” to watch, and criticize, and follow what Obama’s Administration does closely.
What bothers me about this, deeply, I might add, is the fact that it is not being supportive in any way. No one is saying, if we want to survive, we have to work together, guys. No, the implication is that “they” (Democrats) are the enemy. And in this terrible time, when the country is literally falling apart, and everybody is unsettled, these isolated Republicans are settling in to be critical. As if they aren’t losing their savings, too; as if they are exempt; as if, should the country really fail, they wouldn’t be affected. Quite a blind spot. isn’t it. They aren’t even pretending to help, to support, to work with their counterparts to make things better for everybody, themselves included. How antedeluvian, how “old school”, how traditional, how like McCarthy and all of the Republican demogogues, to stand back and continue criticizing the Democrats who are working very hard, very earnestly, to fix what went wrong with this country.
So Jeb Bush is nothing more than another toxic Republican, joining in the long line of negative right-wing naysayers and destroyers, no better than Limbaugh and Hannity and O’Reilly. Pretty disgusting, I’d say. Stand on the sidelines and criticize while the Titanic goes down; criticize everything the crew and captain does. Disgusting, guys, absolutely disgusting. For more, see: www.ocpatriot-runningcomments.blogspot.com.
This is so ridiculous and a perfect example of how shortsighted municipalities and states are when giving tax breaks to businesses and sports teams. I linked back here from a post at the CA NOW blog: Economic Catch-22
http://www.canow.org/canoworg/…..atch22.htm
~~~ModNote: Link repaired here and at the other comment.~~~