Comments on: Will a President Obama Fight for the Employee Free Choice Act? http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/ Firedoglake weblog Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:28:02 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: laurastrand http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745909 laurastrand Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:48:06 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745909 <p>This bill is THE line in the sand for me. Unionism is The antidote to both corporatism and facism.</p> This bill is THE line in the sand for me. Unionism is The antidote to both corporatism and facism.

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745617 4jkb4ia Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:43:08 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745617 <p>And I didn’t read what selise said about third parties not having to win. Point taken.</p> And I didn’t read what selise said about third parties not having to win. Point taken.

]]> By: 4jkb4ia http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745610 4jkb4ia Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:38:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745610 <p>EFCA is not an issue of “better Ds” the way that FISA was or the bailout was. It does not involve fear, and most of the Democratic congresscritters have benefitted from union support. The things Rahm has mentioned in the aforesaid are all issues where Obama will have to put in some work both to come up with a solution to the problem and get a majority of Ds on board. </p> <p>I think that even in solidly blue areas primarying a candidate on the basis of one or two netroots issues is better than a third party. The third party will have to differentiate themselves from the Democratic Party on more than one or two issues and will face the questions of organization and money.</p> EFCA is not an issue of “better Ds” the way that FISA was or the bailout was. It does not involve fear, and most of the Democratic congresscritters have benefitted from union support. The things Rahm has mentioned in the aforesaid are all issues where Obama will have to put in some work both to come up with a solution to the problem and get a majority of Ds on board.

I think that even in solidly blue areas primarying a candidate on the basis of one or two netroots issues is better than a third party. The third party will have to differentiate themselves from the Democratic Party on more than one or two issues and will face the questions of organization and money.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745605 rwcole Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:34:38 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745605 <p>Political power among minority views comes from being a well organized and funded “wing” of a national party. Labor is such a wing, as is the religious right. They have enough power to gain a seat at the table as the real agenda for a winning administration or candidate is being designed.</p> Political power among minority views comes from being a well organized and funded “wing” of a national party. Labor is such a wing, as is the religious right. They have enough power to gain a seat at the table as the real agenda for a winning administration or candidate is being designed.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745600 rwcole Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:27:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745600 <p>The election procedures in some countries lend themselves to third, fourth, fifth,etc parties…</p> <p>In order for many parties to prosper- the rules allocate at least some seats on the basis of the percentage of the national vote collected- so even a party that gets a few percent of the vote can have a few seats. </p> <p>In the US, minority parties usually end up with zero seats…</p> <p>In other countries, coalitions are formed AFTER the elections- here they are formed PRIOR to the election- and less transparently.</p> The election procedures in some countries lend themselves to third, fourth, fifth,etc parties…

In order for many parties to prosper- the rules allocate at least some seats on the basis of the percentage of the national vote collected- so even a party that gets a few percent of the vote can have a few seats.

In the US, minority parties usually end up with zero seats…

In other countries, coalitions are formed AFTER the elections- here they are formed PRIOR to the election- and less transparently.

]]> By: foothillsmike http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745599 foothillsmike Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:26:57 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745599 <p>Gee I don’t see the problem with the senate. If Pallin had been elected she would have run the senate, why can’t Biden? /s</p> Gee I don’t see the problem with the senate. If Pallin had been elected she would have run the senate, why can’t Biden? /s

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745598 dakine01 Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:26:32 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745598 <p>IIRC, Sanders was first elected to office as a Socialist as Mayor of Burlington, VT</p> IIRC, Sanders was first elected to office as a Socialist as Mayor of Burlington, VT

]]> By: californiarealitycheck http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745596 californiarealitycheck Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:23:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745596 <p>indep.</p> indep.

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745594 rwcole Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:22:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745594 <p>“Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, but because he does not belong to a formal political party he appears as an independent on the ballot. Sanders caucuses with the Democratic Party and is counted as a Democrat for the purposes of committee assignments. He was the only independent member of the House during much of his service there and is one of two independent Senators in the 110th Congress, along with Joe Lieberman. Sanders is the first self-described democratic socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate.[1] Sanders left the House in order to run in the 2006 election for the Senate seat being vacated by the retiring Jim Jeffords and won the election with 65% of the vote.[2]” wiki</p> <p>apparently Sanders is not a member of ANY political party</p> “Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, but because he does not belong to a formal political party he appears as an independent on the ballot. Sanders caucuses with the Democratic Party and is counted as a Democrat for the purposes of committee assignments. He was the only independent member of the House during much of his service there and is one of two independent Senators in the 110th Congress, along with Joe Lieberman. Sanders is the first self-described democratic socialist to be elected to the U.S. Senate.[1] Sanders left the House in order to run in the 2006 election for the Senate seat being vacated by the retiring Jim Jeffords and won the election with 65% of the vote.[2]” wiki

apparently Sanders is not a member of ANY political party

]]> By: rwcole http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745591 rwcole Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:20:46 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/will-a-president-obama-fight-for-the-employee-free-choice-act/#comment-1745591 <p>Is Sanders a member of a third party?</p> Is Sanders a member of a third party?

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