Comments on: Eric Holder Blowback — Do the NYTimes and WaPo read FDL? http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:00:40 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745837 looseheadprop Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:17:42 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745837 <p>Wow, nice catch, I have never seen that article before–though I had heard the story that she got sent to Coast Guard as punishment for her bahavior with teh FISA court. The article has details. </p> <p>I love the details.</p> Wow, nice catch, I have never seen that article before–though I had heard the story that she got sent to Coast Guard as punishment for her bahavior with teh FISA court. The article has details.

I love the details.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745833 looseheadprop Tue, 02 Dec 2008 21:13:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745833 <p>God, I love when mary gets all details.. </p> <p>Really, I look forward to this so much. Between you and Marcy with the steel trap memories….. I’m smiling right now.</p> God, I love when mary gets all details..

Really, I look forward to this so much. Between you and Marcy with the steel trap memories….. I’m smiling right now.

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745829 Mary Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:55:52 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745829 <p>61 - I notice that, along with not mentioning her role as a loyal Bushie for 7years, when they pull her up as a commentor, the 24 hour newsies also omit Townsend’s purported ties with the big FBI/FISA court scandal, wherein the court determined that there had been, “false information given by the FBI in dozens of wiretap applications to the FISA court” and the court blamed Townsend, who was the doj gatekeeper at the time.<br /><a href="http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/041206/6townsend_3.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n.....send_3.htm</a></p> 61 – I notice that, along with not mentioning her role as a loyal Bushie for 7years, when they pull her up as a commentor, the 24 hour newsies also omit Townsend’s purported ties with the big FBI/FISA court scandal, wherein the court determined that there had been, “false information given by the FBI in dozens of wiretap applications to the FISA court” and the court blamed Townsend, who was the doj gatekeeper at the time.
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/n…..send_3.htm

]]> By: Mary http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745828 Mary Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:50:59 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745828 <p>36 - Chiquita runs ads. </p> <p>IMO, the biggest issue on the Chiquita deal isn’t that he got a good deal for his client, but that it very much looks like Chertoff may have been involved in contacts with Chiquita that should be investigated. How does that look, to have the AG either overseeing quashing any investigation, or having to recuse on a corruption investigation that might involve his personal knowledge of improper contacts? </p> <p>I’m agnostic on Holder, bc I don’t really have a good feel for how the country gets anything all that good (on torture PROSECUTIONS, illegal detentions, unconstitutional wiretapping, etc. fronts) from Obama. He pretty much painted his wagon with his FISA legislation vote, and his picks have to lockstep on that or else he starts out of the gate looking ridiculous. He’s already put the box around a whole handful of the issues that were the only ones that had me voting Dem anyway. </p> <p>I also don’t buy that it was “lefty blogs” that derailed Brennan’s bid for intel. Obama has had Tenet’s co-torture boy in the fold all this time - there was an influence that had nothing whatsoever to do with the convenient “lefty blog” scapegoats that caused him to be derailed. I’m thinking some hard feelings from overseas sources, esp as the British high court is possibly on the brink of releasing still more US related torture evidence and the UK’s AG, Scotland, has at least been given the formal (if not substantive) request to investigate the MI5 and CIA connections on torture.</p> 36 – Chiquita runs ads.

IMO, the biggest issue on the Chiquita deal isn’t that he got a good deal for his client, but that it very much looks like Chertoff may have been involved in contacts with Chiquita that should be investigated. How does that look, to have the AG either overseeing quashing any investigation, or having to recuse on a corruption investigation that might involve his personal knowledge of improper contacts?

I’m agnostic on Holder, bc I don’t really have a good feel for how the country gets anything all that good (on torture PROSECUTIONS, illegal detentions, unconstitutional wiretapping, etc. fronts) from Obama. He pretty much painted his wagon with his FISA legislation vote, and his picks have to lockstep on that or else he starts out of the gate looking ridiculous. He’s already put the box around a whole handful of the issues that were the only ones that had me voting Dem anyway.

I also don’t buy that it was “lefty blogs” that derailed Brennan’s bid for intel. Obama has had Tenet’s co-torture boy in the fold all this time – there was an influence that had nothing whatsoever to do with the convenient “lefty blog” scapegoats that caused him to be derailed. I’m thinking some hard feelings from overseas sources, esp as the British high court is possibly on the brink of releasing still more US related torture evidence and the UK’s AG, Scotland, has at least been given the formal (if not substantive) request to investigate the MI5 and CIA connections on torture.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745817 looseheadprop Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:35:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745817 <p>Oh Bmaz, we don’t do guilt by association, that’s a GOP card trick.</p> <p>But, I have to admit that’s a pretty skanky group of supporters</p> Oh Bmaz, we don’t do guilt by association, that’s a GOP card trick.

But, I have to admit that’s a pretty skanky group of supporters

]]> By: bmaz http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745736 bmaz Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:58:00 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745736 <p>Heh, I just used suck up, kick down to describe Holder somewhere else. Having DiGenova, Toensing and Franny Frag vouch for Holder is simply inherently disqualifying all by itself if you ask me….</p> Heh, I just used suck up, kick down to describe Holder somewhere else. Having DiGenova, Toensing and Franny Frag vouch for Holder is simply inherently disqualifying all by itself if you ask me….

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745721 looseheadprop Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:49:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745721 <p>SOme folks have speculated that she was <strike>lying through her teeth</strike> spinning for Holder b/c she wants him to give her a job at DOJ.</p> SOme folks have speculated that she was lying through her teeth spinning for Holder b/c she wants him to give her a job at DOJ.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745704 ThingsComeUndone Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:35:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745704 <p>Nope it fits with a news spinners personality but who is she spinning for is the next question?</p> Nope it fits with a news spinners personality but who is she spinning for is the next question?

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745686 looseheadprop Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:22:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745686 <p>Conflict of interest disclosure.<br /> I used to work with Fran Fragos, we never got along, I found her to be a kiss up, kick down (or even kick laterally if she thought you would never be in a position to boost her career).</p> <p>Not a team player in my experience, also, just not pleasant to be around. I genuinely dislaike her a person, so my opinions where she is concerend should always be a bit suspect.</p> Conflict of interest disclosure.
I used to work with Fran Fragos, we never got along, I found her to be a kiss up, kick down (or even kick laterally if she thought you would never be in a position to boost her career).

Not a team player in my experience, also, just not pleasant to be around. I genuinely dislaike her a person, so my opinions where she is concerend should always be a bit suspect.

]]> By: looseheadprop http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745684 looseheadprop Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:20:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/02/eric-holder-blowback-do-the-nytimes-and-wapo-read-fdl/#comment-1745684 <p>Actually, for most of the shortlisters, I think fundraising.statewide campaigning ability is, or should be, a big factor.</p> <p>Whomever patterson appoints will have to start their re-election campaign almost immediatly and at the same time learn how to be a senator. Talk about a steep learning curve!</p> <p>So, someone who already has statewide campaigning and fundraising experience has a certain natural advantage in the deliberations.</p> Actually, for most of the shortlisters, I think fundraising.statewide campaigning ability is, or should be, a big factor.

Whomever patterson appoints will have to start their re-election campaign almost immediatly and at the same time learn how to be a senator. Talk about a steep learning curve!

So, someone who already has statewide campaigning and fundraising experience has a certain natural advantage in the deliberations.

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