You know the real impressive thing about some Neo-Cons is their inability to learn one damn thing ever. And for an example of that we go to America’s Number One Family of War Whores and select a various and sundry Kagan. In this case, Robert Kagan, ironically a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
But whether or not Islamabad is happy, don’t the international community and the United States, at the end of the day, have some obligation to demonstrate to the Indian people that we take attacks on them as seriously as we take attacks on ourselves?
Would such an action violate Pakistan’s sovereignty? Yes, but nations should not be able to claim sovereign rights when they cannot control territory from which terrorist attacks are launched.
Hmmm, that’s quite the slippery slope you’re reinforcing there. I notice he didn’t mention action against really powerful countries that attack other countries for illegal or trumped up reasons — choosing instead just one with a few nuclear missiles here and there.
But then again…they are the Kagan family.
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Well, if the Indian government uses the same strategery as Bush did, he should do a teensy little invasion of Pakistan, but then quit that and invade some other country, say Angola or someplace. That’ll work.
Only one small problem. Pakistan has nukes. So does India. Every time the two of them have ‘war games’ the end result is one or the other of them launch. And that’s not even the scariest part.
There is another scenario where they both launch. Accidently.
Both Pakistan and India have mobile missile launchers that carry their nuke warheads onto the battlefield. If say, Pakistan shoots a conventional missile at India and accidently manages to hit the nuke – there is a nuclear explosion. The Indians, realizing that there has been a nuclear weapon detonated – assume the Pakistanis actually shot one at them, so they retaliate. Can you see where this is going?
These two countries don’t have the long-term relationship that we had with the Soviet Union as a result of us being on the same side in WWII. That said, when the cold war started and we were facing each other down – the prospect of ‘mutually assured destruction’ is what kept both the US and USSR from doing anything.
India and Pakistan do not have any shared cooperative history. Pakistan used to be part of India, and Bangladesh used to be part of Pakistan. The Pakistanis have fought and fought with India over the borders after they were separated – and they are still fighting over Kashmir – the disputed area. And they don’t fight with words. They fight with guns and tanks etc.
Unfortunately, the US really has no standing to intervene in this because we have been bombing Pakistan ourselves from Afghanistan. So it is pretty rich for us to be telling India not to do anything when we already are.
They think they lost the election because of a PR problem. They don’t think the message of more war, less taxes for the rich is a loser.
Gee, Brain Kagan, what are we going to do tonight?
the counter point is that they have the ability to learn something any number of times, they learn, then re-learn, then learn again
Good morning Attaturk, perris and pups.
……they learn, then re-learn, then learn again
Actually, perris, that would be learning impaired.
Shame, thy name is Kagan.
yup
They’d nuke panama?
Man, I was cleaning out the basement tonight and got into this bottle of 25 year old bali hai. Now, that is an interesting flavor.
Judging from history, better PR can get the general electorate to approve of just about anything. Yes, they know on the merits their ideas don’t stand up to scrutiny, so a modern day Repub’s entire career is based on who has the best PR.
It’s worked for them in the past, especially the last eight years, so I can see why Repubs have this attitude. With BigMedia incessantly pumping every storyline they ever float, I can also see why they’re confident.
Growing the New Media is how we can stop them this time. It’s imperative. We certainly cannot expect BigMedia like NBC and Brian Williams to do it:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g…..mccaffrey/
Brian William obviously does not read blogs and thus is ill informed.
Oh, that’s right he’s just a pr tool and doesn’t need to be informed!
You’re making too much sense for the likes of kagan. Like bush, he chooses to write his own reality and it has nothing even remotely real in it.
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Mr. Herbert today. Oh, gawd… Bobo’s off his meds again. Today he gives us “Continuity We Can Believe In.” He actually, I presume with a straight face, suggests that Barack Obama and his team should put into action a foreign policy doctrine that builds on some of the ideas developed during George W. Bush’s term. I’m not making this up, you know… Mr. Herbert, in “A Team of Whizzes,” has a question: Will this new Obama team, as brilliant as it appears to be, begin addressing on day one the interests of those who are not rich and who have not had the ear of those in power? We can but hope.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got a selection of bagels with cream cheese. Today’s the day in Georgia. If you live here, I implore you to get out and vote and grease the skids under the odious Saxby Chambliss. If you’re not in Georgia please cross your fingers or light a candle or pray. As an aside, when do you think WordPress will decide that “Barack” and “Obama” are not misspelled? Have a great day.
May you say good riddance to Chambliss tonight, Marion.
Ye gads, Bobo is off his meds. That or listening to a Kagan.
BBC Health reports on research findings:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7759188.stm
Robert ” Mistakes Were Made” Kagan?
He’s so last war.
Yes, but staying with the theme, it should be some place with bountiful petroleum reserves.
Alaska!
And there’s Daryn Kagan (no relation I don’t think) who used to date Rush Limbaugh and after they broke up has spent every minute of her life now trying to appear inspirational, motivational, alive, and clean:
http://www.darynkagan.com/index.html
Citizen Marion in Savannah:
What do you folks on theground down there think…does Martin have a snowball’s chance in a hot place? The info we get up here on the formerly frozen tundra is that Sexy Saxby is gunna run off with it.
Warmongers never consider any country as sovereign, hence, their title: warmonger.
From your lips to God’s ear…
Unfortunately, I think we’ll still be lumbered with the odious Mr. Chambliss, but I’m still crossing my fingers.
Good Morning ALL
There are good countries and bad countries. Israel good country – go invade Lebanon. Russia bad country – do not touch Georgia. What is India?
marion, i just noticed last night that krugman is going to be here for book salon tomorrow. i thought since you read all his columns you might want to know – well, unless unlike me you had already figured out about tomorrow’s book salon. *g*
OOOH, thanks! I didn’t know. I’ll have to catch up with it after the fact, however, as I doubt the folks who pay me would appreciate my brushing them off.
FYI -
James Lee Witt (formerly FEMA) is supposed to be on Washington Journal this morning…..the site I use doesn’t give time…..where’s Elliott? *g*
The MIC does not need India, they are pushing the RWNF Nutenyahoo in Israel and he is bound to start bombing Iran…. and those crazy fucking Likuders have nukes too.
Morning! Sarah drew substantial crowds during her campaign stops yesterday. Hopefully the fine folks in Alaska will begin to realize that she’s not doing her job. I plan on voting this morning in a conservative area and hopefully there are no lines.
Oh. My. Something. Watched less than a minute of that “inspirational” vid and I think she needs to have her meds increased.
Hi Wacamaw was reading my morning e-papers.
I found this on the radio schedule for CSPAN, weird they have no times at the WJ page.
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7:45-8:25 LAWRENCE KORB
Center for American Progress
Senior Fellow http://www.americanprogress.org
Former Assistant Defense Secretary
Reagan Administration, 1981-85
Report on Pakistan & Surrounding Areas
http://www.americanprogress.org/issue…..eport.html
Topic: President-elect Obama’s formal announcement of his national security team yesterday, including his choices for Secretary of State (Sen. Clinton), Defense Secretary (Robert Gates), National Security Adviser (Ret. Gen. James Jones), Secretary of Homeland Security (AZ Gov. Napolitano) & U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations (Susan Rice).
8:25 Capitol Visitor Center: Rep. Wasserman-Schultz
8:30-9:00 CHRISTINE FAIR
RAND Corporation
Senior Political Scientist http://www.rand.org
Topic: Last week’s attacks in Mumbai (formerly Bombay) and what it means for India-Pakistan relations, what role, if any, the U.S. should play, as well as reports that one of the terrorists was trained in Pakistan.
9:00-9:30 JAMES LEE WITT
ProtectingAmerica.org
Co-Chair http://www.protectingamerica.org
Former FEMA Director
Clinton Administration, 1993-2001
Topic: Today’s ProtectingAmerica.org press conference calling upon the new Congress and President-elect Obama to establish a comprehensive national catastrophic insurance backstop. The organization’s mission is to work on ways to increase public awareness, and improve preparation, mitigation, response and recovery programs with respect to natural catastrophes such as hurricanes and earthquakes. Guest will also discuss his thoughts on what the next administration should do about disaster relief, the current administration’s record on it, as well as lessons learned from Rita and Katrina.
9:30-10:00 Visitor Ctr. Rep. Mica/Newspaper Articles/Phones/Phoner
It’s a scary situation, but you can’t accidently cause a nuclear explosion in that way. The high explosive would go off, but no nuclear explosion would occur. Also, I don’t think it takes a long relationship to understand mutually assured distruction. More locally, it’s a “Mexican Standoff.”
Still, I’m not saying that somebody won’t force someone into a box where they feel they have to react with nuclear weapons, some misunderstanding doesn’t occur, or someone uses them as a last resort when losing a conventional war.
The Guardian reports more Israeli atrocities
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl…..-aid-block
You’re correct about an accidental detonation. It would, however, spread the nuclear material over a wide area, although in that state would not be highly radioactive.
Yes. We’ve had a few cases of the high explosive cooking off during aircraft fires here in the U.S..
And we still lick the boots of these fascist bastards? When the hell are we going to wake up and help the oppressed peoples of Palestine.
Somebody at WJ be sleeping on the job….but I knew I could depend on you. *smooch*
Either the US or UK need to send a small task force to escort supply ships into Gaza. Send the Israelis the unmistakable message of “fuck with the bull, get the horns.” Way past time we stopped supporting the Likudniks.
I would prefer a large multinational task force.
Works for me.
That would take someone with political cojones, anyone on the horizon?
swim is up
I still know some mercs and former members of La Legion who’d be willing to take on the IDF.
Robert Kagan was a co-founder with Bill Kristol of PNAC. Daddy, Don, was a Signator to the Statement of Principles (1997). Brother, Frederick, wrote the ‘real’ Iraq Study Group the rival to James Baker and Lee H. Hamilton (Dec/06).
Learn? Everything is going according to plan..the PNAC plan.
An important court case today.
In courtroom showdown, Bush demands amnesty for spying telecoms.
http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok…..rguin.html
It’ll never happen. AIPAC owns our new secretary of state and likely our new president too.
Not to mention the chief of staff
I’m afraid you’re prolly right.
That would be a yes..This article illustrates that quite clearly.
http://www.radioislam.org/hist….._iraq.html