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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Talking Heads: November 30, 2008</title>
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		<title>By: theExile</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743467</link>
		<dc:creator>theExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I’m familiar with the EPU phenomena. I have to get up at 6:00am PST to even see MTP, but even while I’m watching it it seems that all the pups have already moved on, if they were discussing the talking heads at all, rather than what everybody is having for breakfast. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, I don’t get to see Face the Nation these days on my Seattle affiliate until 11:30pm tonite, if I’m even still up and about by then. But it is now approaching 9:00am PST and I’m going to subject myself to George S+many letters and George Will not be Right!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I’m familiar with the EPU phenomena. I have to get up at 6:00am PST to even see MTP, but even while I’m watching it it seems that all the pups have already moved on, if they were discussing the talking heads at all, rather than what everybody is having for breakfast. </p>
<p>BTW, I don’t get to see Face the Nation these days on my Seattle affiliate until 11:30pm tonite, if I’m even still up and about by then. But it is now approaching 9:00am PST and I’m going to subject myself to George S+many letters and George Will not be Right!</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743450</link>
		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;new thread upstairs, folks&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>new thread upstairs, folks</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743447</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;About the only people showing competency are the scientists themselves and on the whole have conducted themselves exemplarily in reaching such decisions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;707!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;hahaha. this is obviously where our thinking REALLY diverges. *g*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>About the only people showing competency are the scientists themselves and on the whole have conducted themselves exemplarily in reaching such decisions.</p>
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<p>707!!!</p>
<p>hahaha. this is obviously where our thinking REALLY diverges. *g*</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
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		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Without training and education, are your opinions of any value other than as opinions?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;imo all the people paying the bills (ie the taxpayers) should have some voice in the research priorities. by this i mean priorities. for example how much should be spent on infectious disease research vs alternative energy. also, i’m a big fan of stiglitz’s proposal for prizes (big ones) in lieu of patents. the public’s priorities should also, imo, be reflected in the prizes (number and size) but this is aimed more at industry than academic science.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the technical/scientific approaches to fund i would give more weight to the scientific community (however that should be defined) via something like a modified nih study section.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;like i said above though, i really don’t have any answers that satisfy me - just issues and interests that i’d like to see addressed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Without training and education, are your opinions of any value other than as opinions?</p>
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<p>imo all the people paying the bills (ie the taxpayers) should have some voice in the research priorities. by this i mean priorities. for example how much should be spent on infectious disease research vs alternative energy. also, i’m a big fan of stiglitz’s proposal for prizes (big ones) in lieu of patents. the public’s priorities should also, imo, be reflected in the prizes (number and size) but this is aimed more at industry than academic science.</p>
<p>the technical/scientific approaches to fund i would give more weight to the scientific community (however that should be defined) via something like a modified nih study section.</p>
<p>like i said above though, i really don’t have any answers that satisfy me &#8211; just issues and interests that i’d like to see addressed.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743443</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have something to ask that is totally off-topic:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why is it necessary for Clinton to disclose his client base for his wife to be Secretary of State when no one demanded Bush pere disclose the client base of the Carlyle Group before his moron son was appointed president?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have something to ask that is totally off-topic:</p>
<p>Why is it necessary for Clinton to disclose his client base for his wife to be Secretary of State when no one demanded Bush pere disclose the client base of the Carlyle Group before his moron son was appointed president?</p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743442</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Selise, maybe I can further clarify by saying that it is a matter of competency which should be addressed. With the state of public competency as it is, the public is poor material to use to decide such issues. About the only people showing competency are the scientists themselves and on the whole have conducted themselves exemplarily in reaching such decisions. Look back the last forty years at public competency at selecting their political leadership to get my drift. ;-)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Selise, maybe I can further clarify by saying that it is a matter of competency which should be addressed. With the state of public competency as it is, the public is poor material to use to decide such issues. About the only people showing competency are the scientists themselves and on the whole have conducted themselves exemplarily in reaching such decisions. Look back the last forty years at public competency at selecting their political leadership to get my drift. ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: JClausen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743441</link>
		<dc:creator>JClausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Are you familiar with EPU in firedog folklore? A wonderful commentor who always posted after everyone else had left the thread.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the posting. I love the Lake!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you familiar with EPU in firedog folklore? A wonderful commentor who always posted after everyone else had left the thread.</p>
<p>Thanks for the posting. I love the Lake!</p>
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		<title>By: theExile</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743440</link>
		<dc:creator>theExile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think the problem with HuffPo is as some suggested, they just put too much graphic and other data intensive crap on every page. This isn’t to say I don’t like HuffPo, but they could perhaps be more considerate of those who live without an excessive amount of bandwidth at their disposal. In the sticks where I live many don’t even have the option of high speed unless they opt for excessively expensive satellite based connections, no cable or even DSL for those too far removed from the last switch on the POTS (plain old phone system).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now to seemingly almost go Off Topic by actually referring to the talking heads of Sunday Morning, or the Pundits of Puke as they so often seem to me, I would like to say how impressed I was with Ted Turner’s appearance on Press the Meat. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I found his straightforward honesty refreshing, especially his ability to push back whenever necessary to his fellow Montana land baron Brokaw’s stubborn attempts to ignore reality. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His refusal to give Brokaw a free pass to demonize Putin, or ignore the American culpability in the deteriorating relations between Russia and the US had me almost spilling my coffee as I tried to cheer and clap. As a native of America with too much self respect to live there, I get so tired of the continually expressed sense of American Exceptionalism and the idea that America can do no wrong. To see a man who has benefited from the opportunities that America CAN provide call a spade a spade is truly refreshing and to watch Brokaw sputter and show his stupidity a pleasure indeed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the statement about self respect is too harsh, but many years ago due to personal contact I lost all respect for the US Department of Justice, even though I won my personal battle with them,  and have long since discovered a place much more comfortable to live. My chosen home isn’t paradise either, perhaps paradise isn’t accessible on this plane, but at least I manage to live without being surrounded by jingoistic, ill-informed people who spend their time arguing about issues that to much of the world aren’t even in dispute.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also liked the brief discussion of Christianity and the way Ted Turner pointed out that labels aside, or no matter what he and Jane Fonda agree or disagree about, that with his ACTIONS working for peace and fighting poverty, and devoting some of his wealth to those less fortunate and/or the common good, he felt he was at least acting in a Christian manner. I could only think about those agents of intolerance whose idea of Christianity is more about what everybody else does or shouldn’t do, while they live lives of greed, violence and intolerance. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Then at the end of the show, for the MTP minute, I thought it an excellent touch to show a segment of Eleanor Roosevelt, pushing back herself to the same sort of head in the sand, self important yet ignorant questioning that Brokaw this morning showed is alive and well fify-one years later. Perhaps someone involved in putting the show together, obviously not Broken Record Brokaw, saw the symmetry of ending the show with this particular clip at a time when it appears you will once again have an intelligent and compassionate First Lady.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the problem with HuffPo is as some suggested, they just put too much graphic and other data intensive crap on every page. This isn’t to say I don’t like HuffPo, but they could perhaps be more considerate of those who live without an excessive amount of bandwidth at their disposal. In the sticks where I live many don’t even have the option of high speed unless they opt for excessively expensive satellite based connections, no cable or even DSL for those too far removed from the last switch on the POTS (plain old phone system).</p>
<p>Now to seemingly almost go Off Topic by actually referring to the talking heads of Sunday Morning, or the Pundits of Puke as they so often seem to me, I would like to say how impressed I was with Ted Turner’s appearance on Press the Meat. </p>
<p>I found his straightforward honesty refreshing, especially his ability to push back whenever necessary to his fellow Montana land baron Brokaw’s stubborn attempts to ignore reality. </p>
<p>His refusal to give Brokaw a free pass to demonize Putin, or ignore the American culpability in the deteriorating relations between Russia and the US had me almost spilling my coffee as I tried to cheer and clap. As a native of America with too much self respect to live there, I get so tired of the continually expressed sense of American Exceptionalism and the idea that America can do no wrong. To see a man who has benefited from the opportunities that America CAN provide call a spade a spade is truly refreshing and to watch Brokaw sputter and show his stupidity a pleasure indeed.</p>
<p>Perhaps the statement about self respect is too harsh, but many years ago due to personal contact I lost all respect for the US Department of Justice, even though I won my personal battle with them,  and have long since discovered a place much more comfortable to live. My chosen home isn’t paradise either, perhaps paradise isn’t accessible on this plane, but at least I manage to live without being surrounded by jingoistic, ill-informed people who spend their time arguing about issues that to much of the world aren’t even in dispute.  </p>
<p>I also liked the brief discussion of Christianity and the way Ted Turner pointed out that labels aside, or no matter what he and Jane Fonda agree or disagree about, that with his ACTIONS working for peace and fighting poverty, and devoting some of his wealth to those less fortunate and/or the common good, he felt he was at least acting in a Christian manner. I could only think about those agents of intolerance whose idea of Christianity is more about what everybody else does or shouldn’t do, while they live lives of greed, violence and intolerance. </p>
<p>Then at the end of the show, for the MTP minute, I thought it an excellent touch to show a segment of Eleanor Roosevelt, pushing back herself to the same sort of head in the sand, self important yet ignorant questioning that Brokaw this morning showed is alive and well fify-one years later. Perhaps someone involved in putting the show together, obviously not Broken Record Brokaw, saw the symmetry of ending the show with this particular clip at a time when it appears you will once again have an intelligent and compassionate First Lady.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Bear</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743439</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Bear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heaven help the future should the creationists, the conceptionists, the anti-stem-cellists, the right to lifeists be given a voice over the direction research is to take. The scientists haven’t proven to be that bad in their self-direction to date; not perfect but light years ahead of their corporate, political, and economic brethren. Without training and education, are your opinions of any value other than as opinions? Be very careful about your answer, the result could kill off research altogether, or leave research in the control of monied interests.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heaven help the future should the creationists, the conceptionists, the anti-stem-cellists, the right to lifeists be given a voice over the direction research is to take. The scientists haven’t proven to be that bad in their self-direction to date; not perfect but light years ahead of their corporate, political, and economic brethren. Without training and education, are your opinions of any value other than as opinions? Be very careful about your answer, the result could kill off research altogether, or leave research in the control of monied interests.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/30/sunday-talking-heads-november-30-2008/#comment-1743438</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks!</p>
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