Comments on: Last Try on Holder Nomination, Part I http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 11:35:36 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742967 selise Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:40:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742967 <p>ben - thanks for all you do.</p> ben – thanks for all you do.

]]> By: benmasel http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742965 benmasel Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742965 <p>and if Feingold brings it up?</p> and if Feingold brings it up?

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742964 selise Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:39:14 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742964 <blockquote><p>Well, it may also be that bmaz doesn’t have links as he has information not available online but from personal knowledge.</p></blockquote> <p>sure, of course. but that’s not what bmaz said - he said it was gross errors and sloppy reporting. hard to see how it could be sloppy reporting if the info wasn’t publicly available. but even so, it’s up to bmaz if he wants to elaborate or not.</p> <p>like i said, democracy now! is the best news source i’ve found, so i thought it might be useful to give them evidence refuting their report. it’s not like they are the M$M - they actually care about getting it right.</p> <p>i guess bmaz doesn’t want to do that. i think that’s too bad, but it’s certainly his choice to make.</p>

Well, it may also be that bmaz doesn’t have links as he has information not available online but from personal knowledge.

sure, of course. but that’s not what bmaz said – he said it was gross errors and sloppy reporting. hard to see how it could be sloppy reporting if the info wasn’t publicly available. but even so, it’s up to bmaz if he wants to elaborate or not.

like i said, democracy now! is the best news source i’ve found, so i thought it might be useful to give them evidence refuting their report. it’s not like they are the M$M – they actually care about getting it right.

i guess bmaz doesn’t want to do that. i think that’s too bad, but it’s certainly his choice to make.

]]> By: benmasel http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742959 benmasel Sat, 29 Nov 2008 22:36:56 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742959 <p>I had a chance to discuss the Holder nomination, briefly, with Senator Feingold a week ago. My impression, Russ is predisposed to approve, but wants to ask all the hard questions first. (Mine, whether Holder will follow through on Obama’s pledge before the Oregon primary to order an end federal raids on State-legal medical marijuana.</p> <p>Suggest you send this to the Senator’s office.</p> I had a chance to discuss the Holder nomination, briefly, with Senator Feingold a week ago. My impression, Russ is predisposed to approve, but wants to ask all the hard questions first. (Mine, whether Holder will follow through on Obama’s pledge before the Oregon primary to order an end federal raids on State-legal medical marijuana.

Suggest you send this to the Senator’s office.

]]> By: bmaz http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742893 bmaz Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:33:11 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742893 <p>I could spend a day and take this shit apart at the seams; I just have no interest in doing so. From what I see and know here; it is, for the most part, BS. Most all of the stuff Napolitano is being accused of was actually done by Arpaio and the state legislature; most of her involvement has been actually trying to reel it in.</p> <p>Janet did suck up to Arpaio to get elected Governor. That is a low point. She knew it then, she knows it now. Not a good feather in her cap. But the whole Maricopa County jail deal is Arpaio she doesn’t have anything to do with that, and is one of the few who has pounded him over it while she was the US Atty here. Napolitano actually has fought the hell out of Arpaio, but mostly behind the scenes. She has let Phil Gordon be the front man lately because she was stumping for Obama and didn’t want to taint Obama with the clusterfuck here. Lame? Yeah maybe a little, but that’s politics. She was helping and advising Phil Gordon every step of the way in trying to get civil rights abuse actions taken by the DOJ against Arpaio..</p> I could spend a day and take this shit apart at the seams; I just have no interest in doing so. From what I see and know here; it is, for the most part, BS. Most all of the stuff Napolitano is being accused of was actually done by Arpaio and the state legislature; most of her involvement has been actually trying to reel it in.

Janet did suck up to Arpaio to get elected Governor. That is a low point. She knew it then, she knows it now. Not a good feather in her cap. But the whole Maricopa County jail deal is Arpaio she doesn’t have anything to do with that, and is one of the few who has pounded him over it while she was the US Atty here. Napolitano actually has fought the hell out of Arpaio, but mostly behind the scenes. She has let Phil Gordon be the front man lately because she was stumping for Obama and didn’t want to taint Obama with the clusterfuck here. Lame? Yeah maybe a little, but that’s politics. She was helping and advising Phil Gordon every step of the way in trying to get civil rights abuse actions taken by the DOJ against Arpaio..

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742890 dakine01 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:25:34 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742890 <p>Well, it may also be that bmaz doesn’t have links as he has information not available online but from personal knowledge.</p> Well, it may also be that bmaz doesn’t have links as he has information not available online but from personal knowledge.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742882 selise Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:15:54 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742882 <p>usually democracy now! is very, very good - by far the best i’ve found bar none. but no one is perfect and i try to always be a little skeptical. </p> <p>in any event, i haven’t read that democracy now! report yet, and i haven’t followed the issue at EW. so i don’t know where the contradiction(s) is(are).</p> <p>bmaz claimed there were gross errors - i asked what they were and if he would give me some links. certainly he doesn’t have to do that if he doesn’t want to. but if he does i will read them and if i’m convinced will contact democracy now! and ask them to rebut or retract.</p> usually democracy now! is very, very good – by far the best i’ve found bar none. but no one is perfect and i try to always be a little skeptical.

in any event, i haven’t read that democracy now! report yet, and i haven’t followed the issue at EW. so i don’t know where the contradiction(s) is(are).

bmaz claimed there were gross errors – i asked what they were and if he would give me some links. certainly he doesn’t have to do that if he doesn’t want to. but if he does i will read them and if i’m convinced will contact democracy now! and ask them to rebut or retract.

]]> By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742881 dakine01 Sat, 29 Nov 2008 21:06:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742881 <p>I thought Democracy Now was supposed to be this excellent source of all reporting?</p> <p>So why does bmaz have to do the work to refute their reports? </p> <p>Without doing anything but follow back and forth and his comments at emptywheel and here, it seems that there should have been plenty of info available to Democracy Now unless their only purpose was to trash Napolitano. Which would then put them on the same level as all the other news agencies that get mocked here all the time.</p> I thought Democracy Now was supposed to be this excellent source of all reporting?

So why does bmaz have to do the work to refute their reports?

Without doing anything but follow back and forth and his comments at emptywheel and here, it seems that there should have been plenty of info available to Democracy Now unless their only purpose was to trash Napolitano. Which would then put them on the same level as all the other news agencies that get mocked here all the time.

]]> By: selise http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742871 selise Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:58:40 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742871 <p>bmaz - but i don’t live there… and besides, if the report is easy to refute, i’m going to email dn! about it and they’re going to want some evidence. do you want to see the report retracted?</p> bmaz – but i don’t live there… and besides, if the report is easy to refute, i’m going to email dn! about it and they’re going to want some evidence. do you want to see the report retracted?

]]> By: bmaz http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742863 bmaz Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:46:24 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/29/last-try-on-holder-nomination-part-i/#comment-1742863 <p>I don’t need no stinking links. I live here and know for myself what is going on; I am right in the middle of these very issues and people involved.</p> I don’t need no stinking links. I live here and know for myself what is going on; I am right in the middle of these very issues and people involved.

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