Oh, Drudgico, must you always wank so hard?
More than three weeks into the transition, and Vice-president elect Joe Biden generates less buzz than the non-existent first puppy.
The vice president-elect has not spoken publicly since the election, and was at Barack Obama’s side just once this week as the president-elect delivered a series of grim news conferences on the economy.
Golly, a guy who keeps the "vice" out of Vice-President. Though the Politico doesn’t know it, that is change we can believe in.
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Zed…Zed is dead…long live Zed and the bubbleshere corporate media!!
Robert Fisk reports upon another bankrupt policy, it’s getting that you can’t swing a cat without hitting some bankrupt idea.
http://www.independent.co.uk/o…..36905.html
by the by, how are you going to get ‘em back to traditional VP’s after the office has been Cheneyed?
What idea put forth during the last 7years 10months hasn’t been a bankrupt idea?
Some positive news about the Hempstead 15. The IVAW vets and other activists are having their charges dismissed. A great victory by and for US citizens.
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..7-168.html
I don’t see that as a problem. None of the Cheney “power” was authorized or envisioned by the Constitution. It occurred because he was an experienced, malevolent bureaucrat with an ignorant lazy President. To retain that power, Biden would either have to convert all of the Cheney plants in critical departments to personal loyalty to him and then retain them, or somehow supplant them with equally feudal Biden followers. Obama would have to lose about 40 percent of his I.Q. and/or 100 percent of his attention and interest. Even more important, I think Biden values the Constitution and has no desire to undermine it. Basically, I think Cheney will fit into a rare VP category, which so far only includes himself and Aaron Burr.
Sorry, that responded to T-Bear @3.
Any day rights and liberty are upheld is a good day. The question remains, just what cost did they bear to defend those rights and liberties, solicitors are not without cost.
Please point out any idea, save opening to China and that is arguable, has there been that isn’t fundamentally bankrupt since 1968, forty years ago with the ascension of the Nixon regime.
We have no idea if Biden is in meetings with Barack. He could very well be.
We are so lucky to have two great minds as President & VP of the United States and two people who aren’t conspiring to hurt America as the last two did.
Good Morning! Is it to early for apple pie?
I was just referring to a VP that was seen and not heard, the invisible office. The form was to parallel, “How are you going to get them back to the farm after they’ve seen Paris”. Thanks for the dissertation, none the less. ;-)
Happy to provide dissertations at any time of day. My children never properly appreciated them.
Great comparison, Crosstimbers! I hope you are right and that there is never a third traitorous VP to follow Aaron Burr and Dick Cheney.
The one caveat. If we were really to have an imperial Presidency — the kind Bush has effectively had through the pusillanimity of Congress — it would make perfect sense to have a figure-head President for the sheeple and for the veep to exercise real power, which is pretty much what we’ve had the last eight years. The economic powers that be would probably be perfectly happy with such an arrangement. Fortunately, we’ve had a revolution, or let’s hope so, and the people have gotten some of their sovereignty back.
That complaint goes back to the founding of the family of man, Mark Twain was particularly succulent in its description IIRC.
Some of it was, however, granted by Executive Order and/or upheld in Court.
These precedents, while possibly technically overturnable, are a dangerous legacy.
***stretch***
****yawn****
*pats belleh*
Buenos dias!
Here what’s on Washington Journal this morning:
7:30am – Howard LaFranchi, Christian Science Monitor, Foreign Affairs Correspondent
8:00am – Samuel Gerdano, American Bankruptcy Institute, Executive Director
8:30am – Scott Krugman, National Retail Federation, Vice President, Public Relations
9:00am – Newspaper Articles & Phones
9:30am – Martin Vaughan, Dow Jones, Reporter
no.
What you describe fits pretty closely the U.S. Government from 1865 until about 1901. Congress represented the business interests and the whole executive branch formed a figurehead. With some improvements during the TR and Wilson Adminsitrations, it took the Depression and FDR to really improve things. Like you, I hope we never again have the perfect storm we’ve had for the last four years, but it remains to be seen how much of the unbelievable damage can be fixed.
Okay, I think I’ve got the long windedness out of my system.
They have their act together in England
If all they have to do is pick on the VP Elect being out of the news we are in a lot better shape than we were in a month ago
is it too early for tamales?
no
Citizen KatyMaine:
Anyways, Biden has been on the dias behind “The Boss” (sorry Bruce) every time Obama has delivered a speech…he wasn’t there for the last presser, though. Obama has been makin’ an observable effort to make Biden visable at all pubklic meetings that I have seen.
LOL It’s “KayInMaine” not “KatyMaine” silly. Katy and I get mixed up all the time and I love it! I hope she’s doing good this morning by the way. ;-)
And yes Norske, I bet Biden is around more than we think he is and I’m so glad Barack brings Biden out with him when he does his press conferences. They are two remarkable people and I’m sure they naturally want to bounce ideas off each other. I would love to be a fly on the wall to hear them!
Me too. I appreciated it in terms of the “teamwork” impression, and then realized it also offered reassurance regarding continuity in this critical time. Unlike Truman, Biden has been a part of everything.
And as the newspapers fall due to their unreferenced, consistently biased ‘reporting’, so goes Politico.
Did anyone else notice how slow FDL and other large blogs were yesterday for commenters? I think this Thanksgiving was the first one in 7 years or so that Americans felt they had a reason to be thankful and to celebrate. Most years, it hasn’t mattered that it was a holiday, because people across this nation were still outraged and wanting to talk to each other to reach out! It was a great sign yesterday. Our nation is feeling calm. Anyone else notice this or is it just me over-analyzing again?
I can’t comment, because I was too busy feeling calm and thankful to use the computer. :)
LOL See? We were calm in so many ways! I know I was feeling it. I would check in from time to time online and thought it was a good sign Americans were wanting to be together, rather than, air-boxing George Bush’s face. LOL
Good morning, pups. It’s Bobo and Krugman. Ya gotta love Bobo — he’ll get up on his hind legs and spew “economics” on the same page as Paul Krugman. In “Stimulus for Skeptics” that dull tool says until we endure some fundamental adjustments in housing prices and consumption, no federal sugar rush is going to restore economic health. But that’s not a recipe for doing nothing. If you want to read what a REAL economist has to say, Paul Krugman weighs in with “Lest We Forget.” He says the story of how we failed to see this coming has a clear policy implication — that financial market reform should be pressed quickly, and that it should not wait until the crisis is resolved.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. JPL asked earlier if it was too early for apple pie. NO!!! It’s never to early for apple pie. Hmmm… Is it too early for leftover creamed onions? Have a great day.
In a totally unscientific survey I find that everyone I talked to has the #1 reason to be thankful is that the lying, thieving, murdering terrorist in the WH has been ousted.
Look out for snow today Kay.
Seriously though, I’m a 65 year old guy who has been through a few things and I find myself getting teary while listening to Obama give press conferences on the dire state of the economy. The relief of having a sane, smart, well intentioned driver in charge is overwhelming.
Here’s me thinking to call the EMT’s on ya’ll, for a tryptophan terminal overdose this morning. ;-)
Morning All,
Gee this guy on C-span is feeling all calm snzzzzz
Good morning.
Anyone going shopping on Black Friday? Not me!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(shopping)
I’m saving the leftover filet mignon for lunch, but it’s an act of extreme self-control.
There’s not enough money in all the world to get me to set foot in a store on Black Friday. I did it once in NYC years ago when I was young and springy and vowed NEVER AGAIN.
I still have a couple slices of the Thanksgiving Pizza left, anyone up for a piece?
Citizen Crosstimbers:
Me too!! I’m early 60’s and grew up with the Depression and WWII in livin’ color in my family (both sides) got drafted outta university, spent 3 years in the military with 12 months in SE Asia and studied American politcal history thru a couple a years in grad school and I am convinced that thru it all over the last 62 years (A-bombs, McCarthy, JFK, Malcom, Bobby, Martin et al)we are standin’ on the shoulders of history and are lookin into the promised land. “…now I might not get ther with ya” but I know that my children will
‘43 was a good vintage. ;-)
I don’t understand why anyone would, but then there’s so much about “real” America that I don’t understand. I guess it’s a tradition for a lot of people. I even heard an ad on TV about a special sale starting at 6am, if you can believe someone would heave his stomach out of bed early enough to get that worm.
Marion, my cats have decided that prefer smoked trout in oil (Trader Joe’s) to turkey leftovers. Should I take them to a cat psychiatrist?
http://firedoglake.com/2008/11…..g-swim-57/
Donations from many will cover the legal costs and the medical costs for Nick Morgan, the one who had his face crushed by the horse. Face Book, IVAW.org and others have pages where donations are asked for.
China..hmmmm..that is a 6 of one and a half dozen of another kind of situation.
JFK was going to get out of Vietnam, disband the CIA, and he signed the Executive Order 11110 that gave back the power to issue currency to the government and away from the Federal Reserve. He signed that order on June 14/63. That order is still in effect.
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/…..r11110.htm
I managed to come up with 3 good ideas..don’t ask for more..too hard this time of morning..har! Sorry for the delay in answering; I had wandered away.
Yes sir. Pretty much describes my experiences also. I’ve told my grown children, with families, that I’ve never lived through a depression, but was raised on stories from my parents, who married during the Great Depression. I told them that, if we need to, they their families can all move back in with us. Meanwhile, my wife and I keep our fingers crossed.
I am ‘43 vintage also and grew up with rationing until ‘51. Butter, milk, eggs, were in very short supply. Sugar was non-existent and the available meat was akin to shoe leather. Without the farmer breaking a few rules we would have starved.
Thank you. Based on my wife, ‘44 was even better.
swim’s up
well then, you really need to check out this video of the obamas making an unscheduled visit to the elementary school that was next to the lot where they were distributing the food. when have you ever heard that kind of reaction to any politician by children:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..liars.com/
Do you remember the white margarine in a plastic package with a yellow color dot in one end? It was my job to massage the color dot with the margarine until it was uniformly yellow.
No I don’t I am afraid. It sounds horrible though. We were in Ireland, on a farm so a LOT of cheating went on. Farmers were allowed to keep some product for their families but if the milk came from the cow and into a container before it got to the farmer it was “fair game”. I learnt to milk at a very early age and homemade butter is still te best!!!
“They (’44ers) would say that. ;-) Since this is a “They who must be obeyed” it is perfectly correct to broaden the horizons. Actually, it is my contention that those who were being educated when Sputnik sailed the cold October skies was the beneficiary of a national call to excellence to meet the challenge. There have been no other classes that have since equalled the records of that time. This is also the ending years of teachers careers who started in the Great depression which filtered out all but the best. disclaimer – Vintage 43 here as well.
EPU’d
This is a good example of the effects a governmental policy has on the economy. Whereas the US did not continue the rationing of goods and food, GB (and by extension Ireland) did. As a consequence, the recovery from the economic damages of WWII were delayed into the ’50s for both GB and Ireland was delayed even longer IIRC being a subsidiary economy to the British.
LOL! Thanks for the comments above about feeling the ‘calm’ this year! I was in the shower getting ready to go to work with the rest of the schmucks in our country (and I was working on a post). ;-)
HAVE A GREAT DAY EVERYONE! We deserve it, don’t we? Why yes, after 8 years of madness, we do deserve lots of great days!
Me too! I get teary eyed in the face of REAL compassion as Barack exhibits all the time. Yesterday he and his family were feeding the homeless and I cried looking at the stills of the morning, as well as, the video of him talking about it!
I’m calm. *inhale*
*exhale*
;-)
Considering what our parents dealt with, and how they did, I’m reluctant to compare the accomplishments of successive generations/age groups.
What rare memories….I do recall that and mixing in the color. Who knows what that little color pack was? My mother kept her grocery coupons for years…never knew if we might need them again. Thanks for remembering.
That is something that cannot be compared, what I was comparing was the trajectory of excellence since that time. The people today will never experience what the military conscripts did returning from war to a country alien to their experiences so great were the rate of changes in public perception during that period. The nearest will be Gulf War II but the conscript is missing for either GW I or II. Aside from that, it is the plunge to abysmal levels in the general product of the educational system, the institutionalization of ignorance and belief, the demeaning of fact and knowledge, the repudiation of excellence in the public arena. Propaganda and lie have replaced fact and analysis in the public awareness.
I’m not much of a Nixon fan, but he did establish the EPA and he stopped the Cross-Florida barge canal. I believe that those are two good things with long lasting effects.