Yesterday, Attackerman wrote about the Iraqi legislature’s approval of the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with the U.S., noting that the newly-promised public referendum in mid-2009 isn’t much of a concession by the Maliki government. Even if the referendum rejected the SOFA, the resulting "forced" one-year withdrawal would actually match the 16-month timeline proposed by Barack Obama (and endorsed by Maliki back in July).
Could it be that the Iraqi regime — long thought to be a puppet entity that wouldn’t last more than a few seconds without American support — is really serious about this kicking-us-out stuff?
I think they are. I wrote in July that Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani and the Shiite religious parties he shepherded into power have intended since 2003 to "use the American military as a contractor of sorts to help cement a Shiite-led government’s power, then nudge us aside when the task was more or less complete."
The relative ease with which the SOFA was passed, ignoring the Sadrists’ objections and buying the support of Sunni and secular parties with only token concessions, suggests that Maliki & Co. truly do have a plausible grasp on the political reins. (As Reidar Visser writes, "today’s package of legislation is sadly reminiscent of many of the deals that have been cut with the Maliki government since 2006: it bestows ample privileges on the Iraqi government in return for promises of reform that are both vague and without a clearly defined timeline.") Despite the dissatisfaction of nearly every other party with Maliki’s increasingly apparent authoritarian ambitions, he’s been able to keep them all sufficiently off balance, and suspicious of each others’ motives, that they can’t find a way to unite against him.
Whether Maliki can protect himself militarily without U.S. troops is a much taller order, one that many observers see as overly ambitious. But that’s why it’s valuable to him to have the 16-month (or whatever) transition period in which American soldiers continue to help him entrench his power.
And it’s just as important (if under-discussed) that the SOFA aids this process by placing the U.S. military in a subordinate role during the transition. Whereas earlier this year the Bushites could try to restrain Maliki by arresting members of his party/government for crimes, or establishing external sources of power such as the "Sons of Iraq" militias, the text of the SOFA eliminates that authority. It’s no coincidence that as the SOFA neared approval, Maliki has celebrated by firing American-installed oversight officials in government ministries.
An Associated Press article today casts doubts on Maliki’s momentary dominance, quoting Juan Cole: "Assuming [the next elections] are free and fair … I am not sure al-Maliki can survive them and get re-elected." But with Iraq’s cities due to be clear of foreign troops several months before the next national elections in late 2009, what reason is there to think the voting will be free and fair?
One of the tragedies foreseen by people who opposed the U.S. invasion of Iraq was that our soldiers (not to mention far more Iraqis) would die not to remove an authoritarian regime, but simply to set up a different one. One message of the Bush administration reluctantly agreeing to a withdrawal timeline in the SOFA is tha they’ve finally conceded this obvious, sad result.
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Thanks Swopa.
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Swopa, I’m interested if you think liberals/progressives/financial realists/ should expend political capital getting us out of Iraq? If you care to speculate about the cost benefits, I am interested. As many of us see the Treasury printing trillions, we look for places to cut spending. The Pentagon budget looks like a logical place to start, our occupation of Iraq appears even more inviting.
ditto afghanistan. well, either that or complete chaos.
Yesterday’s newcast was full of Iraqi army men in their brand-new blue camouflage regalia. I wondered — why do Iraqi soldiers have blue camo uniforms?
There was also no mention of the Iraqi plebiscite in May 2009. I suppose this is yet another surprise the Obama Administration will need to explain to the American people. One in a long litany: “And, then, George W Bush did this…”
That’s pretty much it. It’s not clear though that Maliki will survive or that the civil war will not re-ignite. Whatever happens it’s time for us to leave. I hope Obama honors his pledge to get out in 16 months, but 1) he has already begun to waffle on the 16 months (when is the last time anyone heard Obama mention it) and 2) as the FISA Amendments Act has shown he is perfectly willing not to honor a stated commitment.
Actually, Obama is going to have a lot of ’splainin’ to do on the whole SOFA thing…like we just spent how many billion dollars on that new palace/embassy and it just gets turned over to the Iraqi government lock, stock and barrel – free and clear of any debt or obligation? (The SOFA says all non-portable buildings – and there is no exception for the embassy)
Also, everyone is concerned about how to get the 140,000 or so soldiers out of there in 16 months. There are 180,000 contractors. The day Bush signs this thing it will be open season on them so if they or their companies are halfway smart they will begin evacuating NOW!
On the NewsHour tonight I missed it but I think Shields was weak on Gates but nailed Summers and Geithner for participating in the deregulation that led to the meltdown.
Brooks: conservatives pleased, Obama has chosen very talented people, and naturally with no evidence whatsoever he claims that Rubin, Geithner, and Summers have all moved to the left since the Clinton Administration.
Shields buys into the myth of the team of rivals BS. Finds Obama a re-assuring figure.
Brooks says he went back and looked at some of his columns early in the Bush Administration and, ha, ha, how wrong some of them were. Something we all do, yeah, right.
Well, if that plebescite fails, we will have 12 months to get out. Period. That will be just at the end of 16 months after Obama takes office. So, that really doesn’t leave him with much choice. And my feeling is that no matter all the shenanigans and pay-offs to get the thing through Parliament, the people aren’t going to be nearly so ready to do so.
The SOFA also contains language that the Iraqi government could use to force us to with draw sooner than the 2011 deadline – even if it does pass the referendum process.
Sooo…I don’t think Obama has much choice in the matter. If it passes, or even if it doesn’t.
there are probably about 100,000 iraqis (those who worked for us and their families) we should take with us when we leave – otherwise we may be leaving them to be targeted as collaborators.
No, the US embassy would not be covered under the SOFA but by regular internationally recognized diplomatic agreements. However all those essentially permanent US bases would revert to Iraqi sovereignty, although what this would mean before an actual withdrawal would be mostly symbolic.
Exactly, thanks for reminding me (us). Of course that means another executive order undoing the previous one that will only allow 7,000 Iraqis into this country per year.
Not that we’ve allowed anywhere near that many so far…
Quite a number of those bases are withing the ‘cities’ and under the terms of the SOFA, we must be out of the cities by June 1, 2009. So a lot of them will be handed over sooner rather than later.
Dang….. no KO or Rachel tonight…….. I survived 8 days without MSNBC and now one more day……
As it currently stands Obama would probably like to keep 30,000-50,000 US troops in Iraq. The contradictions involved in this I believe will force him to withdraw some or most of these.
No they aren’t. Most were built with a large perimeter and that kind of real estate could only be found in non-urban areas.
You can go to their websites and watch the last day or two they did.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ This one is Rachel
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/ This one is Keith
I can download them from iTunes too…… going to get it ready before I go inpatient the next time to subscribe so that I won’t miss it.
You are absolutely right. I was not thinking of logistics. I was thinking about the airport – but the base there is actually a ways away – but from the way the MSM talks about it it sounds like they are ON the airport grounds. My bad.
For better or worse it was always about giving a monopoly on violence and power to the new Iraqi goverenment (or factions within it) – this to replace the previous regime we used to be fine with (gov to gov) which was Saddam.
Sine the new gov is obviously majority Shia I am not sure how they (us gov) considered how this would relate to Iran. Perhaps they though that buying the right people coupled with the history of Iran-Iraq wars it would be OK (or at minimum would bear cash fruits for the biz winners that actual American secuirty did not matter).
I can only speculate that a new gov that was a bit more stable and able to deliver more oil to the open market (in theory) was the big win for all (again in addition to cash and power for the monied interests).
When they chose to go in I also really think they thought shock and awe was going to work and as they started war after war they did not want to deal with a weak Saddam rattlin the saber and talking smack. Topple is easy, hearts and minds is hard – that being said I think its also clear they wanted a base there after we left Mecca.
The planners really were quite stupid and now going out of power as we continue to pay the price. Of course they made and stole many billion (the money does not get ”lost” someone gets it).
Washington Week trying desperately to show how little they know about the economy or reality in general.
Democrats have a really deep national security bench which explains why Obama is keeping Gates on. Lots of praise for Volcker. Hate to tell these guys but Volcker is 81. Get real. Now praise for Summers and Goolsbee. These guys would not know a clue if it bit them.
Centrists, pragmatists, won’t frighten Wall Street but may frighten liberals, all the crap talking poinst the CW can come up with.
Yes, that is true. I was always uncomfortable with the notion of leaving that many forces as a ‘residual’. That’s not a residual, that’s a small army in and of itself.
Anyway, the SOFA doesn’t allow any troops to remain unless the Iraqi government specifically asks for them. And that would entail a new agreement of some sort I would guess.
Actually when US troops exit the cities, it is probably to the permanent bases that they will be heading.
Isn’t Volcker on the ‘back-bench’ panel? He’s not really in charge of anything?
thank you for watching so i don’t have to.
As far as I know, our incoming President agrees with you, and I haven’t seen any signs that he’ll backtrack on his desire to get us out.
I recognize that some circles on the left have more faith in the omnipotence of neocon ideology than even Cheney or the Weekly Standard have, but even if Obama could be cowed into wanting to stay, trying to impose our will on Iraq any longer seems like one more headache than he would have any desire to deal with.
Fixed that for you *g*
Washington Week just declaring that Obama has named a totally uncontroversial Cabinet. They are all a bunch of people who will get things done, blah, blah, blah. Two minutes ago they were saying liberals were pissed. And what good is it if you put in place a lot of people who make bad decisions?
Someone (Siun?) noticed a few days ago that the source document for the American translation was written, not in Arabic, but in Farsi! …And that this document was the ‘official’ document used in negotiations!
Farsi, for those who might not recognize it, is the national language of…
(wait for it)… IRAN, not Iraq.
Is this information still correct? If so, what does this tell you?
Bob in HI
Yeah, it’s the one that McClatchy news got their hands on – and yes – it came by way of Iran. Apparently the Iraqi government gave Iran ‘official’ copies of this agreement for their government to look at.
Isn’t this neat? Iran gets to look at it. But we (the US) who are actual parties to the agreement – can’t see it? Wow! Way to go, Bushco!
Nah, they were describing him as a heavy hitter. They don’t know what they are talking about. One just said approvingly (and with no irony) that it took years for Bush to arrive at Paulson. Another was trying to make it sound like the housing situation was improving. The idiocy is practically non-stop.
That’s nice. Since there are quite a few positions still open…HHS, Labor, EPA, just to name a couple.
Well, Obama’s agenda is so huge, he really needs to have a bunch of people who can get things done! So if all his choices can actually get things done – then he is doing a really good jop filling up the leadership positions. Yay!
730 U.S. bases in 130 countries, a lot of Pentagon trimming to be done.
I say we start with Okinawa — the women there would cheer. Or maybe Diego Garcia. Then the renditioned indigineous folk could have their home back.
Who knows how many tens of thousands of military … bring them home, rebuild the national guards and/or as infrastructure personnel.
And why not ease the Afghan situation? The U.S. buys the poppy crop from the Taliban, process into morphine — the world always needs painkillers. Everyone wins.
Wow! housing is improving. Where? on the space station? Oh yeah, I guess it is since they got the toilet water recycler fixed so they can have drinking water again *g*
That was alot of their discussion…that these people are getting to work. With at least 3 of the folks heavy into health care. And that his bench, so far, is a group of implementers who can tet things done.
That won’t work. Big Pharma would have a seizure!
But I like how you think. Why do we still have bases in Japan, Germany, any of those places?
okinawa and diego garcia are great choices. i vote for both.
i had no idea how bad things were at okinawa until reading chalmers johnson’s “blowback.” re diego garcia, chris floyd’s latest is on the situation there: Dying of Sadness in the Shadow of Empire
Boy we could save a lot of money by bringing all those people home and closing those overseas bases. We could re-open some of the ones here that have been shuttered – reinvigorating the economies of all those towns. Plus we won’t have to pay for relocation costs for all those troops every two years when they move them from here to there and back again. Whooee!
I read Floyd’s piece – it just makes one sick at the way we throw our weight around and abuse people – just because we can.
Then all the puzzlement as to ‘why do they all hate us so much’. Duh!
Brooks and Shields on the NewsHour or Washington Week are object lessons in how the media don’t do their jobs. They recycle talking points, no research, no questioning of what they are told, no analysis, no critical thinking, period. That’s all so fringe and left blogosphere. It’s amazing how the media are shifting gears seamlessly to mesh with the spin of the new Administration. It’s all so Propagandists R Us.
Paulson should be in prison.
I’m gonna keep saying it until it actually happens.
Not saying I’m against US drawing back but doing so will cause power vacuums, and you have to at least consider what those could mean for regional stability in Europe, the Gulf, South Asia, Central Asia, and the Western Pacific.
also helps me understand that ethnic cleansing isn’t that big a deal to our gov. because if it was, we wouldn’t be doing it.
This is truly a sad situation, Swopa! Did you see Pepe Escobar’s Bush comfortable on the SOFA
That’s why the VIPS (Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity) refers to them as the FCP (Fawning Corporate Press)
OT from The Hill:
Along with the Fed’s Bernanke and the SEC’s Cox. And I would add Lukken at the CFTC too. These guys have done more damage to the country than al Qaeda ever dreamed of.
yes. transitions are tricky (and frequently unstable). but better a thoughtful planned drawdown than a mismanaged and thoughtless one forced on us by circumstances.
Yes, and the reason they are comfortable with it is all these loopholes, and the other problem – weasel words. The Iraqis think they mean one thing and Bushco think they mean something else.
For an agreement this important it is really quite short, the pdf I saw was only 24 pages, and it was in about size 18 font with 1.5 spacing.
The devil is in the details – and the details are not well spelled out. At. All.
Funny/weird how things happen. Six or seven years ago, I’d no idea about Diego Garcia. Then got a letter from Optus tel about a 1900 redirect scam originating from DG. Google to the rescue. And that led me to the rest of it.
wtf?
Probably because, as you say, each side can say it means what they want it to.
when i was a kid i lived on an island military base for a couple of years (kwajelein in the marshall island). similar story of “relocation” and theft.
But really, who cares how Bushco thinks they could interpret the language? They won’t be the ones implementing the deal.
If Obama is just as much a neocon as Bush/Cheney, then we’re all screwed in more ways than I can count. But I haven’t seen any convincing evidence of that (and that includes reading many, many FDL threads).
As I said above, there are some circles on the left have more faith in the omnipotence of neocon ideology than even Cheney or the Weekly Standard have. I guess they made such perfect villains that it’s hard to imagine a more nuanced world.
i don’t think i’ve ever seen obama described as a neocon – just that his foreign policy seems well within the current bipartisan consensus which is not that far from the neocons is effect (not in how it is sold to the public).
This is true, but planning over time would ease a lot of the concerns. Frankly, I would rather see our aircraft carriers converted to troop-hauling big helicopters with a contingent of special forces aboard. That way, we can be wherever we really think we need to be rather quickly and with the right kind of people.
Counterterrorism/counterinsurgency actually relies (or at least it should) on a small, quick, and very versatile attack force with a lot of different capabilities. This idea that we are faced with something where we need half a million troops and all the stuff they have to travel with to go find bin Laden is ridiculous. This would be far more effective than bombing civilians and the like.
As far as Okinawa, last time I heard, most Japanese would be really happy if we left. While there will be economic consequences when we do – they seem ready and willing to shoulder that in return from being done with all of our disruption.
Diego Garcia – one of ‘my’ carrier groups would work just as well, and actually be more flexible.
Anyplace in Europe? Give me a break. The Western countries have plenty of money for their own defense – and have their own armies. Same thing applies – a financial more than power vacuum.
Eastern Europe? I don’t know that we have any/many bases there. If we do, a bit more of an issue. But NATO can pick up a lot of the slack IMHO.
I was surprised they didn’t have Dean Broder on talking about how pleased he was that Mr Obama has appointed people he is only happy to associate with at the cocktail weenie fests. At least we get to hear what the CW of the week is this week. Forewarned is forearmed.
Yes, there is an excellent article by Nate Silver on the subject of all this arguing about where Obama is/is not in terms of policy. He used the policy papers on the campaign website (and agrees that people can argue about his placement of them) but for the most part – his stuff is NOT center right – except for Afghanistan, missile defense (weasel words in there though) and increasing troop strength in the Army and National Guard.
Anyway, quite an interesting analysis from the point of view of someone who makes his living not being partisan.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com…..tween.html
You expected something honest and substantial perhaps?
And another thing: why tweak the Russian bear’s nose with a radar/anti-missile plan. More good money after bad and the system probably works as well as the failed high-tech demo system on the Canadian border. Heckuva good job, DHS!
The blowback surely was the Russian offer to Venezuela to assist their nuclear energy efforts … and then! either Obama talks with Raul Castro and reverses a failed decades long policy. Or Russia wins another geopolitical chess game.
You shouldn’t underestimate the stability which a US presence has brought to Europe since WWII. Despite the economic gains of the EU (now put at risk by the meltdown), Europe has not been very good at political unity. The US presence provides a backstop. It has actually been one of our more successful commitments.
Bob Schacht – are you still here?
I don’t think this means that the document came “by way of Iran.” But I do think it means that Iranians were central players in the drafting and negotiations. Iranians have been involved in negotiations like this since, Oh, say, Cyrus the Great told the Jews they could go back home. This might indicate, say, that Iran wants to treat Iraq as one of its satrapies.
Bob in HI
Yup.
Bob in HI
Yes. And that’s where Obama’s weasel words may work out just fine on this policy. What he said was he would be interested “only if it could be proved to actually work.”
Since it has not so far – that is kind of a long-shot.
And I agree that putting that crap in former Soviet-bloc countries is poking Russie right in the eye. Then you have Mooselini saying that we should just go to war with them! Gack!
thanks for the link. from what i heard in the debates, i think obama’s foreign policy positions are batshit crazy. and what i know of his health care plan i’m not a fan of (have not read it myself). other things i’ve seen seem somewhat better. but still, i don’t give much weight to the advertising campaign that is used to sell a politician to us. actions speak louder than words and all that….
This is true. Silver was just using the campaign policy papers because until he actually gets in office, we really have no other information. So it is just a comparative study – and those are only as useful as , well, you decide *g*
no. but i’m tired of things being worse than i expect. i’m already way too cynical, and yet it’s not enough.
ah, but i do think we have lots of other information – fisa, the choice of vp, the bailout, the advisors, …. obama is not a blank slate with only policy papers on which to judge.
I’m not gonna be happy until there aren’t any wars to protest. After that, we’ll see.
And, even if you give that Obama really did mean to do all the stuff in his campaign stuff – 99% of it was formulated before the financial meltdown and so a lot has changed in the interim. And will continue to do so until Jan 20.
And since Bushco has been running around like a chicken with his head cut off making up new regulations to stop every single thing Obama wants/wanted to do he will have to spend the whole first year undoing all that crap before he can even start on his own stuff. (If then)
*sigh*
That’s one of the things that keeps that fire burnin’ and yer brain from turnin’ to mush. *g*
yeah, bushco is definitely on a last ditch sprint to steal and fuck up whatever they can.
and here i thought they already were mush. *g*
fire definitely still burning though.
left this youtube for norske last night, but you might like it too: peace.
I was (and am still) upset about the FISA thing. But I also think that was a political move, not anything else. If he voted no – McSlime would have added that to his ‘terrorist sympathizer’ meme. And it would have still passed anyway. He voted yes possibly to take it off the table, knowing that he couldn’t do anything to stop it anyway. If Reid wouldn’t honor Dodd’s hold on the thing, and they didn’t have the votes to stop cloture, there wasn’t much else there.
So, I can only hope that his AG will take the thing to SCOTUS and argue that most of it is unconstitutional and get it overturned.
As far as advisors – I don’t know that you can make a lot of judgments on that score either. Sure these people have opinions, some of which we like and some of which we don’t. But the sign of a good executive is that they will try to have advisors who have opinions that are different then theirs and sometimes actually that they probably really don’t want to hear. When I was the Executive Director of a community-organizing non-profit, my most valuable board member offered to quit because she was always seeing the down side and obstacles in everything and she felt she was being unproductive and in some cases creating problems. I told her that she was actually the most valuable one because while I and some of the rest of the members were the ‘dreamers’ (like Obama I think), the practicality of getting things done meant you had to acknowledge and be ready to deal with the real life issues that were going to come up. And she had an uncanny way of pinpointing and drawing our attention to almost all of them. So, on the surface it seemed like she was a ‘wrong fit’ but I valued her advice very highly.
i agree about the importance of having devil’s advocates to prevent group think from setting in. but that’s not what i see obama doing (on the economic front) – he’s got a bunch of people who are ideologically similar and have had a role in creating our current mess. do not like this one bit.
Well, I guess that I hope that he really does set the policies in his administration instead of letting everyone else do it for him (like Bush). He seems to like to control everything and a couple of his recent statements are that the policy direction would come from him and him only, and that everyone else there was to do what he says (paraphrasing).
I don’t know enough about economics to judge these people, although I have been hearing about their histories. Unfortunately, most of the information is coming through the MSM and I don’t trust them to tell the truth without twisting it around to suit themselves so I really don’t know what to think. Anyway, all this stuff is way above my paygrade and I can’t do anything about it anyhow. I am choosing to be active in the healthcare front, and I am making sure I’m in the right group – thanks to you!
“We can bomb the world to pieces
But we can’t bomb the world to peace.”
some of the economics is v complicated – way beyond my comprehension too. but some of it is not. like the the fight in the ’90s over the slightest bit of regulation for otc derivatives. some of it is just common sense. that’s the stuff i’m trying to focus on.
exactly. love that song.
Tariq Ali, Flight Path to Disaster in Afghanistan.
Yes, we Europeans benefit militarily and, to a lesser degree, politically from the stationed US forces.
But there are no huge financial benefits. The German government for example pays roughly 120 million euros annually for the upkeep of the US bases, while the tax revenue (federal/state/local) from the US forces is estimated as around 25 million euros annually.
Way off topic….I just had a senior moment and forgot Anita’s husband’s first name. Can you supply it? (I used to be NZ Expat and went to grad school with Anita in the long past.)
Sorry about my wrong assumptions. Thanks for the correction. I didn’t realize that was so lopsided. Well, maybe you’d like to see us gone also – it would be cheaper for you! *g*
I’m wondering about this provision, “American troops will remain subject to American military law if they are on duty and on their bases, but could be prosecuted under Iraqi law if they commit heinous offenses while off duty and outside their bases.” Does this mean that U. S. troops are under our military law only if on duty AND on base, as the words say? If so, doesn’t that mean that they are effectively quarantined? And, if they are on duty off-base, which is probably pretty common, are they then under Iraqi law? It seems to me that our Commander-in-Chief, might just have agreed to an unprecedented exposure of our military to actions against them by a foreign entity, even while carrying out their assigned duties. I can’t remember when we ever allowed our troops to be subject to such ambiguity and risk.