When Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi sent the Detroit automakers away and told them to come up with a plan, it made me want to put my head through a wall. Not because the automakers didn’t need one, but because they’re operating in a black box unless and until the government comes up with their plan.
While the proposal Jeffrey Leonard puts forward isn’t flawless (as Atrios notes), it does start to address the conundrum that the automakers are now faced with:
[O]ur automakers aren’t as bad as you think. If you go to Europe or especially China and Asia, you will see excellent small cars produced by Ford and Chevrolet that sell very well. You won’t see them in the United States, however, because these are not the cars American have been buying. Like it or not, a major reason that American automakers have built the cars that they’ve built for the domestic market is that they’ve had to contend with highly misleading long-term market signals based on cheap gas. While engines have become more efficient over the last thirty years, much of Detroit’s ingenuity has gone into giving Americans more power, performance and luxury for the buck rather than more miles per gallon.
We can sit around and wax rhapsodic about highways covered in green cars, but until the government adopts policy that creates demand for them, there is no evidence that anyone will buy them.
There are a variety of ways to create that demand. The most effective would be to impose a substantial gas tax. Another would be to tax weight or horsepower, as many countries do. (This is far better than a luxury tax, as it directly targets the gas wasters, rather than those who might just want a fur-lined Prius.) Such taxes can be phased in slowly or quickly, but the important thing is that if Detroit knows to expect demand for fuel-efficient cars, it will produce many more of them.
You cannot create an effective business plan if you cannot project what the market for your product will be. A market for green cars can only be guaranteed by government action. It’s a simple and very basic business principle. If the automakers tell everyone what they want to hear and promise to make small, fuel-efficient cars and yet people continue to want SUVs, Honda and Toyota will supply that market and then everyone will bitch about how GM and Ford are not competitive because they’ve got shitloads of cars nobody wants.
You can ask them to be profitable, or you can ask them to be energy efficient. If the government wants them to be both, they have to create the market conditions for that to happen.
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Woo! Get your fur-lined Priuses, here!
Happy Thanksgiving to all.
G’morning, Jane. Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours!
Obama states he has a mandate from the American people. He should mandate the government buy green replacement vehicles based on a predetermined schedule (how, where, when) and present Congress with a bill of tax credits for transportations companies (FedEx, UPS USPS) and consumers buying green vehicles or retrofits for propane or natural gas.
So far americans are not beating down the doors to get electric and engine/electric type cars. Ford built many models as did Honda. They have not sold very well at all.-Fords Focus is a good example. The old type(ICE only) sells well, but the ICE/Electric is left sitting on the lots. I have to wonder why this might be.
Hi Jane, Timely post – we were just having a family argu…er…discussion about the reconstruction of the auto industry.
Hi again Jane. Hope you are getting to spend some quality time with your family.
The banking industry ie. Paulson, managed to get $700 billion after presenting a 2 1/2 page plan. The auto industry should be able to get by with something less than a 3 x 5 card.
Then again the same brilliant wall street mathmetician that brought us the CDSs has figured that the auto workers are making $73 per hour and that is to much. /s
Thanks Jane.
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Having the government buy green vehicles sounds great but as this story from Sunday’s WaPo0 shows the devil is always in the details.
We have one of those things called govt! Who would have thought there was congreescritters that might actual do something right for a change, Yeh Sure. It’s business as usual for this group save their ws friend but screw the employees.
jo6pac
Bullseye, as per usual.
Now would certainly be a good time to retool to making smaller vehicles and the government role should be 1) educating the populous about the need for them to demand smaller, fuel efficient cars 2) Incentivise the purchase with a tax credit for buying green 3) Discourage the purchase of the bigger gas guzzlers with a tax on the purchase and a tax for usage 4) Restructuring of laws requiring higher CAFE standards. That’s for starters.
I believe if the will wasn’t there already with quite a few citizens, there would not be a waiting list (as I heard there was)for the Prius!
Some states (Texas is one) set vehicle registration fees based on weight.
I’d like to see the oversized SUVs and pickups charged more all around – they take up more space on the road (ever try seeing past one of them?) and in parking lots, sometimes to the point of taking four spaces for one vehicle.
Can’t believe Citi just skated into $300 billion in TARP backstops, while GM can’t get a loan for $25B. Blame the unions, let the robberbarons steal more.
Thanks.
Jane’s post is quite right. People like big cars and especially trucks. American will not change unless gas is at least $5 per gallon.
I live in Michigan and have seen the impact of the auto industry downsizing. I tracked unemployment from the state depart of labor back to 1970. Michigan always does worse under republican presidents and oil prices are alway higher under republicans. The only outlying time is Carter in 1979. But if you read Will Grieders “Secrets of the Temple” it explains how Carter inherited a mess left from Nixon and Fords policies. Grieder is probably the best economic historian of our time. Remember the frozen dollar, wage and price control and WIN buttons? And who was in Fords admin? The same assholes in Bush II. Anyway. Since the recession of 1973 Michigan has been on a roller coaster ride. I have bought GM and Ford vehicles my whole life and have always had good luck
They make great pickups and heavy truck. I have tried to impress the fact buying big cars and trucks is cultural and as Jane says, people want them. They can go places cars can’t and they have utility. I also have relatives who are retired from GM
Anyway, happy thanksgiving.
Might not be so bad if they didn’t hoard it when they’ve got it. Or is Citi one of the banks that is actually trying to deal with, that is, work out settlements with the owners of the homes that are on their books scheduled for foreclosure instead of just foreclosing. If that’s what they need the money for, I’m for going for it, because until they’re ready to deal with those wasting assets they’ve got their capital tied up in, we’re all in a world of hurt. The economy will continue its downhill slide.
i don’t see how gov’t will create demand for fuel efficient autos from the american public. well, unless massive gas taxes. public won’t stand fer that tho. public has to wake up. i am not optimistic.
Flex fuel is based on the corn thing and actually is not any savings when one considers what it takes to make a gallon of it. Ford and GM have been selling flex fuel vehicles in Brazil for years but their fuel is made from sugar.
The Hybrids are another matter. They do much better in stop and go traffic but when on the hiway gas only can get better mpg.
really, Jane. been wondering that myself. since when, in a time of crisis, does the government look for answers to those who precipitated or at least contributed greatly to, that crisis. it’s an absence of leadership, how long to jan. 20?
look, pups. this will be my only quick chance to be here today. a happy & blessed Thanksgiving to all of you. This place and the people here are one of the things i have to be thankful for. thanks, guys. and I am sooooooo thanks full that out long national nightmare is (almost) over.
People like big cars and especially trucks. American will not change unless gas is at least $5 per gallon.
at least. if then.
KFI radio in LA has a couple of clowns named Jon and Ken on during drive home rush hour. Last year, as some in Sacramento were discussing ways to have California lead in reducing gas emissions, Jon and Ken were arranging a massive SUV drive from LA to Sacramento to show those SOBs a thing or two.
I never heard how many SUVs were in the caravan, but KFI is the leading station in LA.
wax rhapsodic
like that. i’m using that 3 times today and making it my phrase for the day.
Happy turkey day!
Anyone call them on it earlier this year when gas was over $4 a gallon and a fill-up cost $75 or more?
One of the problems is that folks tend to not be reminded of these stupid stunts when things have gone to hell.
If you are going to mention that station, you’ve also got to mention that the guy driving the KFI clown car is the head clown himself, Limpy Limbaugh.
Great post, thanks.
One of the questions this blog begs is exactly what are the attributes of a vehicle that would make it truely green.
And the expectation that higher gas taxes on consumer gas purchases will alter vehicle preference towards more economical cars ignores the actual data showing people driving less when fuel costs soar.
Transportation policy from the White House should put focus on mass transportation, in MSAs and across the country. That would be greener than fiscal policy designed to create artificial demand for vehicles that on balance are not likely to be very much more environmentally friendly than the passenger vehicles they might replace.
Ah-greed.
In 1977 or so they called conservation/transportation/etc people “tree-huggers”/”fags” (please excuse the harshness, but that was the political tactic). The media went right along and that is what passed for debate and politics for 30 years.
Now its all cool and there is money there.
In 70’s and 80’s they stonewalled and killed these things (and you can even go back before that). I think in the last 15 years they bought of the pols to give time for the greedy bastards to get into a position to get the last few mega trillions out of the old model as they move into a position to take advantage of the green money coming down the pike.
Lucky I know a lot of smart people that gave up their jobs to go get PhD’s and the like in solar tech, nano solar tech, etc.
The low density sprawl of many cities makes effective mass trans. systems very expensive. There is a new line going in here in the Denver area and it is mucho overbudget and construction hasn’t started yet.
I recommend the Michael Hudson’s piece over at Counter Punch. Has good points about methods of financing.
True. And Dr. Laura…
I so agree with you…can’t see around to change lanes etc. I do think if you want a living room, just stay home. Especially city streets were not built for these super-large, etc. And how ugly is the Hummer?
Nope – hybrids do fine on the highway, too. The key is a steady speed and a light foot on the gas – don’t be leadfooted, and that goes for regular ICEs, too.
Also, hybrids actually don’t like stop and go traffic, unless there’s a decent amount of ‘go’ between stops. (Drains the rechargeable batteries.)
My cubie says Hummers are uncomfortable to ride in as well as large and ugly – he was in the army, so he speaks from experience.
Thanks for that…I know I am a relic, but they are so ugly it is beyond me why anyone would want one. Then to drive with one hand while talking on the phone!! They really look like WW11 tanks….they were not good looking then, either. You can see, I really should not get started.
When I lived in New England and upstate NY I’d ask folks someitmes why they had the four wheel drive vehicles and usually get a response of “well, I can go as fast as I want in snow.”
My response to that was always “Yeah, but you can’t stop as fast as you need to stop.”
I’ve got a 17 year old Ford Escort with front wheel drive and never had any problems driving in the snowy parts of the country. If I couldn’t get anywhere, the only vehicles that could were plows and it was better for me to be off the road then anyway.
I don’t even bother to ask folks in the South why they drive Hummers or four wheel drive as most of them have no clue about safe driving, on road or off.
Obama has a plan for the auto industry: mock the executives.
http://tpmelectioncentral.talk…..s_tone.php
/s
I love the stories…years ago I had a friend in New Orleans, smallest streets/crowded neighborhoods, who got a 4 wheel drive huge thing. No reason, but he may want to go to Colorado. Maybe we know the same people!
Excellent points.
They have improved slightly since I was shopping. Currently
Ford Escape reg gas 22 mpg city, 28 mpg hiway
accidental post
Hybrid model 34 mpg city, 30 mpg hiway
So the hybrid gets better mileage in city than highway? Seems strange to me!
Happy a lovely day. I am so grateful for all our pre-election fun and wisdom and groupiness and so grateful that W is almost through being the Decider and that Palin was not a first woman Veep for our great nation. Not a bad look at the year in review. Peace.
That was s’pose to Have….OK
There’s no denying the incompetent and criminal leadership on this issue and many others. Heads should roll, and prison cells should be filled. But jeez, it seems like pols aren’t the only ones refusing to look in the mirror when it comes to responsibility. For example, among my friends, I’m the only one whose daily driver isn’t a pickup truck. For years I’ve been telling anyone who’ll listen that piloting a three-ton battlestar to pick up a pack of Marlboros is beyond stupid, for both the owner and the country. Yet now that such facts are getting too hard to ignore, rather than admit their part, it’s become as fashionable to blame the government and car companies as it used to be to tack a support-the-troops ribbon on one’s tailgate. Presumably the car companies will soon be expected to produce 50mpg pickups, because, you know, “uncle Fred used to have one that got almost that much”, yada yada. Another lamentable example of our unrealistic expectations is the preference for both renewable energy AND multiple plasma TVs etc. HELLO! Try investing $20 for a KillaWatt will ya’, and start facing reality, folks. The worst part is that this “it’s not MY fault” attitude has become so prevalent that reversal seems less likely by the day. Truth be told, the ratio of mea culpas to damn-those-(fill in preference here) should be about 10 to 1, not 1 to 100.
Garth
That’s what you get for buying a vehicle that’s really a small SUV with electric boost. (The ‘hybrid’ is only there to make the mileage a little better; they’re not as good as the Prius that way.)
Extra weight – in city my DIL gas engine doesn’t even come on sometimes.
http://autos.msn.com/research/…..e%20Hybrid
Prius 48 mpg city, 45 mpg hiway
I don’t believe ‘attractive’ is what buyers of bloated gas hogs have in mind when they them. It’s mostly about empowerment by vehicle where size seems to matter most.
I don’t know a good answer. It seems like the fastest way to have Americans turn back to the “governement is the enemy” mantra is to impose limitations on mobility when the public can’t see some external cause. It seemed to me that Jimmy Carter’s loss in popularity was as much due to preaching restraint and belt tightening as it was to the hosatage crisis and rising interest rates. The public was only too ready to believe the “there you go again” was great communication and “it’s morning in America” sent us down the current road for three decades. Whatever congress and the Obama Administration do may have to be gradual to avoid a resurgeance of the only recently discredited Reaganism. Unfortunately, the decline in gas prices may have removed that part of the crisis from the public ADD effected consciousness.
For them to think we wouldn’t buy them if they sold them here in the US is ridiculous, but then again, this is how the capitalists think! They’d rather be our voice than let us have our own.
A gas tax will hit the poor the most and let the rich slide the GOP will love raising gas prices will kill our political support.
You are assuming that we have to the let free markets decide things. Just ban any car that does not get 30 mpg or truck that doesn’t get 25 mpg and actually I favor higher mpg numbers.
We can ban imports that do not meet our standards too. We do need clean diesel fuel for higher mileage trucks and SUVs Diesel engines get better mpg and can haul more weight than gas engines.
What moron decided to waste gas putting gas engines in heavy work trucks, SUVs and Humvees is a hack engineer, a sell out.
There will be higher gas prices again we cannot afford another war. Tell people the more money the middle east makes off of oil the more money Ossama gets! Fight a PR campaign the desire for big cars vs Hatred of Ossama.
If we retool all the factories all the cars can be hybrids all the big trucks could be diesels, or even better diesel hybrids.
http://www.greencarcongress.co…..uck_u.html
I build stairs for a living. I drive a 2X2 Toyota Tacoma, extended cab. It has a 2.7 litre, 4 cylinder engine. I have a shell over the back. Under the shell, I have built two drawers that extend from one side of the bed to the other and from the front to the back. Inside the drawers are all the tools I need to build a staircase. They weigh about 600 pounds. I have helper springs and air bags to help distribute the weight. I use mud and snow tires, and with the added weight, I seldom need to chain up in winter. I get btwn 19 and 20 mpg in the “city” (I live in the boondocks) and 25 on the highway. the truck is 1997 and has 224,000 miles on it and it keeps going. I’ve changed the clutch twice and had one break job.
If the Big 2.5 built a small truck that fit my profile, I’d buy it.
The low incomes that most people are going to experience over the next few years will dampen enthusiasm for gas guzzlers, and maybe some will get into the habit of driving smaller vehicles. I drive small because I’m basically cheap (plus I like the handling of a small car). I probably save $1000 a year driving a smaller car with a light foot. Tax free income. But not everyone is that obsessive about saving money.
Spot on! However, the government has to not only create market conditions for alt-energy cars or better MPG cars, but they need to MONITOR how the car companies/execs will spend that money. The government has the obligation, and should have the ability, to make sure these companies are frivolously spending tax dollars on private jet fleets, golden parachutes and year-end bonuses for bankrupt causing players.
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