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	<title>Comments on: Citibank Never Figured That Housing Prices Would Drop</title>
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		<title>By: SanderO</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/25/citibank-never-figured-that-housing-prices-would-drop/#comment-1739405</link>
		<dc:creator>SanderO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The banks leveraged up to 30 times their assets and they are bust.. can’t pay off their bets.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Banks are bust.  They are running now on smoke and mirrors and some fumes tossed at them as low interest loans from the feds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The model that propelled them into being mega public corporations was bogus.  The ponzi scheme worked in the beginning.  But as everyone knows ponzi schemes all go bust when the suckers have all been bled dry and there are no more to bleed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The banking industry and the financial industry is nothing more than ponzi schemes with fancy names.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Why won’t people face the fact that the whole thing needs to be torn apart and built anew?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Right now Paulson is shoveling money at them and they are sucking it up and fiddling away as Rome burns.  Not an ounce of contrition - just fire thousands of grunts… Oh and no more color copies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The banks leveraged up to 30 times their assets and they are bust.. can’t pay off their bets.</p>
<p>Banks are bust.  They are running now on smoke and mirrors and some fumes tossed at them as low interest loans from the feds.</p>
<p>The model that propelled them into being mega public corporations was bogus.  The ponzi scheme worked in the beginning.  But as everyone knows ponzi schemes all go bust when the suckers have all been bled dry and there are no more to bleed.</p>
<p>The banking industry and the financial industry is nothing more than ponzi schemes with fancy names.</p>
<p>Why won’t people face the fact that the whole thing needs to be torn apart and built anew?  </p>
<p>Right now Paulson is shoveling money at them and they are sucking it up and fiddling away as Rome burns.  Not an ounce of contrition &#8211; just fire thousands of grunts… Oh and no more color copies.</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 21:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;One thing that really bothers me about our current market structure is its over-dependence on quarter-to-quarter growth.  As has been argued in a multitude of places, we need to curb our excessive consumption.  If we actually do that, we need to reorient our markets for sustainability, rather than growth.  I have yet to hear anyone talking about sustainable economic models.  It’s all about growth (principally in emerging markets), which we know to be unsustainable environmentally.  Like peak oil, one can argue how long we can continue with growth-oriented markets, but in the long run we live on a finite planet with finite resources, perhaps we should at least to start contemplating sustainable economic models.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that really bothers me about our current market structure is its over-dependence on quarter-to-quarter growth.  As has been argued in a multitude of places, we need to curb our excessive consumption.  If we actually do that, we need to reorient our markets for sustainability, rather than growth.  I have yet to hear anyone talking about sustainable economic models.  It’s all about growth (principally in emerging markets), which we know to be unsustainable environmentally.  Like peak oil, one can argue how long we can continue with growth-oriented markets, but in the long run we live on a finite planet with finite resources, perhaps we should at least to start contemplating sustainable economic models.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The overvaluations and subsequent disasters were due to the top execs having their main eye on the current stock price.  If they had created reserves against their inventory of mortgatges, it would immediately have lowered their stock price.  These guys are judged minute by minute on how their actions affect stock prices.  That’s why they resisted SEC proposals to tighten up the accounting of pension plans.  Anything that negatively affected the short-term bottom line was rejected out of hand.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What does this tell us?  It tells us that most investors in the market have short time horizons, so planning ahead is often unprofitable for CEO’s.  Take the money and run is safer.  Of course, it’s musical chairs.  You never know when some of the chairs are going to be taken off the floor.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem is deeper than Rubin and the CEO’s.  It goes to the ease of speculating in the market.  Jim Tobin once suggested that international money transfers be subject to a small tax to put sand in the wheels in order to dampen speculative movements.  It may be that something similar is required in the equity markets.  Investors will howl like hell, but the medicine will be good for them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overvaluations and subsequent disasters were due to the top execs having their main eye on the current stock price.  If they had created reserves against their inventory of mortgatges, it would immediately have lowered their stock price.  These guys are judged minute by minute on how their actions affect stock prices.  That’s why they resisted SEC proposals to tighten up the accounting of pension plans.  Anything that negatively affected the short-term bottom line was rejected out of hand.</p>
<p>What does this tell us?  It tells us that most investors in the market have short time horizons, so planning ahead is often unprofitable for CEO’s.  Take the money and run is safer.  Of course, it’s musical chairs.  You never know when some of the chairs are going to be taken off the floor.  </p>
<p>The problem is deeper than Rubin and the CEO’s.  It goes to the ease of speculating in the market.  Jim Tobin once suggested that international money transfers be subject to a small tax to put sand in the wheels in order to dampen speculative movements.  It may be that something similar is required in the equity markets.  Investors will howl like hell, but the medicine will be good for them.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They tweaked their models to get the result they wanted. But since they were ussing funny models I wonder who was suppose to be fooled by this the bond rating agencies? government regulators? the cable and print business media?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- the people all around the world who bought the crap.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“I could take a dump in a box and mark it garunteed…”&lt;br /&gt;
- Tommy Boy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They tweaked their models to get the result they wanted. But since they were ussing funny models I wonder who was suppose to be fooled by this the bond rating agencies? government regulators? the cable and print business media?</p>
<p>- the people all around the world who bought the crap.</p>
<p>“I could take a dump in a box and mark it garunteed…”<br />
- Tommy Boy</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 20:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Citigroup’s risk models never accounted for the possibility of a national housing downturn, this person said, and the prospect that millions of homeowners could default on their mortgages. Such a downturn did come, of course, with disastrous consequences for Citigroup and its rivals on Wall Street.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  They tweaked their models to get the result they wanted. But since they were ussing funny models I wonder who was suppose to be fooled by this the bond rating agencies? government regulators? the cable and print business media?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Citigroup’s risk models never accounted for the possibility of a national housing downturn, this person said, and the prospect that millions of homeowners could default on their mortgages. Such a downturn did come, of course, with disastrous consequences for Citigroup and its rivals on Wall Street.</p>
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<p>  They tweaked their models to get the result they wanted. But since they were ussing funny models I wonder who was suppose to be fooled by this the bond rating agencies? government regulators? the cable and print business media?</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
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		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Stupid is as stupid does. Same goes for evil.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those trillions gone result in famine, pestilance, disease, death.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stupid is as stupid does. Same goes for evil.</p>
<p>Those trillions gone result in famine, pestilance, disease, death.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/25/citibank-never-figured-that-housing-prices-would-drop/#comment-1739033</link>
		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Arr har har - what a lie.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I figured this out when I went to buy my first house 47 miles from my job. It was so way overpriced that taking my parents mortage and the multipler to my mortgage - and applying it to what my kids would have to pay… it came out to something like my kids would need to pay 5 million plus per YEAR for a house.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Pu-leaze&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arr har har &#8211; what a lie.</p>
<p>I figured this out when I went to buy my first house 47 miles from my job. It was so way overpriced that taking my parents mortage and the multipler to my mortgage &#8211; and applying it to what my kids would have to pay… it came out to something like my kids would need to pay 5 million plus per YEAR for a house.</p>
<p>Pu-leaze</p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
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		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They’re not drowning the government in a bathtub, they’re flushing the economy down a broken drain pipe.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They’re not drowning the government in a bathtub, they’re flushing the economy down a broken drain pipe.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rubin’s got to be hating this.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=rubin_rising&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;He’s a hard-core deficit hawk&lt;/a&gt;, and here his disciples are to a person telling Obama “Screw the deficit, we need stimulus!”&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rubin’s got to be hating this.  <a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=rubin_rising" rel="nofollow">He’s a hard-core deficit hawk</a>, and here his disciples are to a person telling Obama “Screw the deficit, we need stimulus!”</p>
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		<title>By: phred</title>
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		<dc:creator>phred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When it comes to BushCo I think more of fava beans and a fine chianti than filet mignon ; )&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to BushCo I think more of fava beans and a fine chianti than filet mignon ; )</p>
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