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		<title>By: docbets</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/hillary-clinton-still-doesnt-understand-the-boys-club-senate-game/#comment-1736798</link>
		<dc:creator>docbets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:07:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I responded the wrong thing to the wrong post and person.  Sorry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ON another note:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As chief executive, Obama isn’t supposed to be making decisions about Congressional matters.  (Separate branch of government.)  Think about what happened to LBJ who thought he could influence all his old pals.  Nope.  They wouldn’t even have lunch with him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Obama had a significant role in Lieberman’s getting to stay at the dance, shame on the Dems, AGAIN, for having nobody they can look to for real leadership.  And, shame on Obama for not pointing this out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I responded the wrong thing to the wrong post and person.  Sorry.</p>
<p>ON another note:</p>
<p>As chief executive, Obama isn’t supposed to be making decisions about Congressional matters.  (Separate branch of government.)  Think about what happened to LBJ who thought he could influence all his old pals.  Nope.  They wouldn’t even have lunch with him.</p>
<p>If Obama had a significant role in Lieberman’s getting to stay at the dance, shame on the Dems, AGAIN, for having nobody they can look to for real leadership.  And, shame on Obama for not pointing this out.</p>
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		<title>By: docbets</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/hillary-clinton-still-doesnt-understand-the-boys-club-senate-game/#comment-1736793</link>
		<dc:creator>docbets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I mostly agree.  I have thought the whole idea a kind of crazy, risky, no-better-choice kind of thing.  HRC makes a better career move by becoming SoS, though that position usually gets a new face after four years.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This gets her onboard and highly visible so she can’t do much that will undercut Obama’s administration domestically.  If she does, she undercuts herself.  It gets Bill onboard in a peripheral way but if Hillary is in the cabinet he is less able to take potshots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A problem remains of course, in that Bill is entirely capable of ensuring Hillary’s failure to do anything right.  I think it is unconscious on his part, but all the more dangerous for that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I THINK Hilary can be a good employee; I certainly hope so.  Obama can fire her in a heartbeat but that would not be auspicious for his reputation as a wise decision maker nor auspicious for our relationships around the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If she gets and takes the job, what then?  In 8 years she will be nearly as old as McCain is now, give or take a couple of years.  In 4 years, can she run against Obama when she is working for him?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then I say, again, this is brilliant.  And if she and Bill fail the entrance exams, maybe they’re toast.  Maybe that’s the brilliance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really have no idea.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly agree.  I have thought the whole idea a kind of crazy, risky, no-better-choice kind of thing.  HRC makes a better career move by becoming SoS, though that position usually gets a new face after four years.  </p>
<p>This gets her onboard and highly visible so she can’t do much that will undercut Obama’s administration domestically.  If she does, she undercuts herself.  It gets Bill onboard in a peripheral way but if Hillary is in the cabinet he is less able to take potshots.</p>
<p>A problem remains of course, in that Bill is entirely capable of ensuring Hillary’s failure to do anything right.  I think it is unconscious on his part, but all the more dangerous for that.</p>
<p>I THINK Hilary can be a good employee; I certainly hope so.  Obama can fire her in a heartbeat but that would not be auspicious for his reputation as a wise decision maker nor auspicious for our relationships around the world.</p>
<p>If she gets and takes the job, what then?  In 8 years she will be nearly as old as McCain is now, give or take a couple of years.  In 4 years, can she run against Obama when she is working for him?</p>
<p>And then I say, again, this is brilliant.  And if she and Bill fail the entrance exams, maybe they’re toast.  Maybe that’s the brilliance.</p>
<p>I really have no idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“HJC might make a great Secretary of State — except that State desperately needs a great manager. Her campaign made all too clear that she’s not one.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Day to Day management of the Department is usually the primary responsibility of the Deputy Secretary — true in most departments.  We still don’t know if Hillary gets the pick, or whether it will mostly come from the WH.  Normally I would agree that the state of Hillary’s campaign, and her lack of strategic management skills are a black-mark on what could be expected of her as management, but I want to hold judgment to see who gets the political deputy and assistant level appointments.  I tend to think Obama may have fairly clear programatic goals here that will very much influence appointments.  For instance should we see Sam Nunn get his special interest, Arms Control, as an undersecretaryship, (Nunn-Lugar which became Obama-Lugar last congress), — Nunn was one of the very early promoters of Obama’s candidacy, — we will see a slightly different set of relationships in State, and between the Department and the WH.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It is important to distinguish appointments on several levels — some have huge public value, as I think Hillary does in much of the world.  Others are people of fairly deep technical merit — as Nunn would have on Arms Control.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“HJC might make a great Secretary of State — except that State desperately needs a great manager. Her campaign made all too clear that she’s not one.”</p>
<p>Day to Day management of the Department is usually the primary responsibility of the Deputy Secretary — true in most departments.  We still don’t know if Hillary gets the pick, or whether it will mostly come from the WH.  Normally I would agree that the state of Hillary’s campaign, and her lack of strategic management skills are a black-mark on what could be expected of her as management, but I want to hold judgment to see who gets the political deputy and assistant level appointments.  I tend to think Obama may have fairly clear programatic goals here that will very much influence appointments.  For instance should we see Sam Nunn get his special interest, Arms Control, as an undersecretaryship, (Nunn-Lugar which became Obama-Lugar last congress), — Nunn was one of the very early promoters of Obama’s candidacy, — we will see a slightly different set of relationships in State, and between the Department and the WH.  </p>
<p>It is important to distinguish appointments on several levels — some have huge public value, as I think Hillary does in much of the world.  Others are people of fairly deep technical merit — as Nunn would have on Arms Control.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;State career staff are demoralized.&lt;br /&gt;
So are career staff at the DoJ.  At the EPA.  At Interior.  At NASA. FDA. etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would be difficult to find a department or agency within today’s Federal Bureaucracy that is NOT filled with demoralized career staff.  Every department needs yeoman and heroic efforts to get it back to competent and moderately productive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There aren’t that many miracle worker agency heads available.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>State career staff are demoralized.<br />
So are career staff at the DoJ.  At the EPA.  At Interior.  At NASA. FDA. etc.</p>
<p>It would be difficult to find a department or agency within today’s Federal Bureaucracy that is NOT filled with demoralized career staff.  Every department needs yeoman and heroic efforts to get it back to competent and moderately productive.</p>
<p>There aren’t that many miracle worker agency heads available.</p>
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		<title>By: greenharper</title>
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		<dc:creator>greenharper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;HJC might make a great Secretary of State — except that State desperately needs a great manager.  Her campaign made all too clear that she’s not one. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A well-informed source tells me that the only competent manager State has had in many years was Colin Powell:  that Powell genuinely cared about the well-being of our Foreign Service Officers and their families, and addressed it effectively.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;State right now is seriously demoralized.  It lacks FSOs with requisite language skills and depth of experience.  If Clinton is confirmed as SoS, State needs a more than competent manager as second in command to do the unglamorous but critical work of rebuilding the place.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HJC might make a great Secretary of State — except that State desperately needs a great manager.  Her campaign made all too clear that she’s not one. </p>
<p>A well-informed source tells me that the only competent manager State has had in many years was Colin Powell:  that Powell genuinely cared about the well-being of our Foreign Service Officers and their families, and addressed it effectively.  </p>
<p>State right now is seriously demoralized.  It lacks FSOs with requisite language skills and depth of experience.  If Clinton is confirmed as SoS, State needs a more than competent manager as second in command to do the unglamorous but critical work of rebuilding the place.</p>
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		<title>By: Thrasyboulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thrasyboulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Israel Lobby has been suspicious of Clinton ever since she called for a Palestinian state, and also didn’t get up and walk out when Arafat’s wife accused the Holly Land of poisoning Palestinian children.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, she’s had to make amends. She’s been a good little panderer ever since.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The neocons are suspicious, and we’re getting quite a pushback from the media to a Clinton SoS. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should make for good political theater, if nothing else. Happy days are here again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Israel Lobby has been suspicious of Clinton ever since she called for a Palestinian state, and also didn’t get up and walk out when Arafat’s wife accused the Holly Land of poisoning Palestinian children.</p>
<p>Of course, she’s had to make amends. She’s been a good little panderer ever since.</p>
<p>The neocons are suspicious, and we’re getting quite a pushback from the media to a Clinton SoS. </p>
<p>Should make for good political theater, if nothing else. Happy days are here again.</p>
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		<title>By: dcblogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>dcblogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;See, Senator, you’re doing it all wrong.  What you need to do is go out and campaign hard for a Republican, and then get yourself convicted of at least seven felonies.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most succinct summing up ever.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>See, Senator, you’re doing it all wrong.  What you need to do is go out and campaign hard for a Republican, and then get yourself convicted of at least seven felonies.</em></p>
<p>Most succinct summing up ever.</p>
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		<title>By: libluv</title>
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		<dc:creator>libluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hopefully, Bill will keep his luv muscle in his pants this time…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully, Bill will keep his luv muscle in his pants this time…</p>
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		<title>By: libluv</title>
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		<dc:creator>libluv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 18:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Hillary pick was brilliant!! If things go bad for the Obama administration over the next four years he can blame her keeping her from challenging him for the nomination. This man is brilliant and will change the world! I hope he keeps his promise to change the don’t ask don’t tell military policy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Hillary pick was brilliant!! If things go bad for the Obama administration over the next four years he can blame her keeping her from challenging him for the nomination. This man is brilliant and will change the world! I hope he keeps his promise to change the don’t ask don’t tell military policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very very good!  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When Hillary becomes Sec. of State, Gov. David Paterson should pick Eliot Spitzer to replace her in the Senate … if only Spitzer had had airport sex with men in the public rest room.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very very good!  </p>
<p>When Hillary becomes Sec. of State, Gov. David Paterson should pick Eliot Spitzer to replace her in the Senate … if only Spitzer had had airport sex with men in the public rest room.</p>
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