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	<title>Comments on: Eric Holder Pushed the Marc Rich Special Treatment for Over a Year?</title>
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		<title>By: butterbeer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736967</link>
		<dc:creator>butterbeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 02:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Made a huge mistake. Not 90cc, more like 45cc.  90cc is three ounces, a bit much.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Made a huge mistake. Not 90cc, more like 45cc.  90cc is three ounces, a bit much.</p>
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		<title>By: butterbeer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736959</link>
		<dc:creator>butterbeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, Harry Potter fan.  Don’t think butterbeer is an actual beverage unless it exists somewhere in the UK. We have sort of looked when we were in Scotland, but, no luck. Lots of beer and scotch, though. Did find an unusual scotch called Ginger Tam’s; label says it’s a “single malt scotch whisky, ginger and honey liqueur”. Found it in Edinburgh. They said it isn’t sold outside Scotland. Probably not much of a market.  We found it fantastic for sore throats and colds. Take 90cc at first sign of a sore throat and, surprisingly, it usually kills it.  We bring in back in our checked luggage. So far, so good.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Harry Potter fan.  Don’t think butterbeer is an actual beverage unless it exists somewhere in the UK. We have sort of looked when we were in Scotland, but, no luck. Lots of beer and scotch, though. Did find an unusual scotch called Ginger Tam’s; label says it’s a “single malt scotch whisky, ginger and honey liqueur”. Found it in Edinburgh. They said it isn’t sold outside Scotland. Probably not much of a market.  We found it fantastic for sore throats and colds. Take 90cc at first sign of a sore throat and, surprisingly, it usually kills it.  We bring in back in our checked luggage. So far, so good.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736919</link>
		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, he used to be a Dem. He actually doesn’t seem to identitify with either party very much, he’s pretty apolitical.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think Comey would be a brilliant choice. Are you a Harry Potter fan, or is butterbeer an actual beverage?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, he used to be a Dem. He actually doesn’t seem to identitify with either party very much, he’s pretty apolitical.</p>
<p>I think Comey would be a brilliant choice. Are you a Harry Potter fan, or is butterbeer an actual beverage?</p>
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		<title>By: butterbeer</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736901</link>
		<dc:creator>butterbeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I always thought Jim Comey was the best choice.   Wasn’t he a Democrat in his younger days?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always thought Jim Comey was the best choice.   Wasn’t he a Democrat in his younger days?</p>
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		<title>By: JimHarrison</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736848</link>
		<dc:creator>JimHarrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if Holder acted badly in the Rich matter, though it does seem that the pardon was of very limited benefit to Rich. It always seemed to me that Clinton pardoned Rich as part of a last-minute effort to get an Israeli-Palestinian deal since Rich wasn’t tight with Clinton otherwise. He had other, very different associations (Libby!). I figured you could fault Clinton for doing something politically foolish in granting the pardon, but not something venal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t know if Holder acted badly in the Rich matter, though it does seem that the pardon was of very limited benefit to Rich. It always seemed to me that Clinton pardoned Rich as part of a last-minute effort to get an Israeli-Palestinian deal since Rich wasn’t tight with Clinton otherwise. He had other, very different associations (Libby!). I figured you could fault Clinton for doing something politically foolish in granting the pardon, but not something venal.</p>
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		<title>By: looseheadprop</title>
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		<dc:creator>looseheadprop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, you’re not dreaming. The Isreali gov’t supported the Rich pardon. He was in trouble for illagal trading with Iran (Iraq?) during a time when it was being embargoed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There was some suggestion that he was doing “stuff” for Isreal during this period, possibly doing spying for Isreal.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you’re not dreaming. The Isreali gov’t supported the Rich pardon. He was in trouble for illagal trading with Iran (Iraq?) during a time when it was being embargoed.</p>
<p>There was some suggestion that he was doing “stuff” for Isreal during this period, possibly doing spying for Isreal.</p>
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		<title>By: Sixty Something</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736811</link>
		<dc:creator>Sixty Something</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Am I just dreaming, or did I read somewhere that when Bill Clinton was confronted by the reasoning for his controversial Marc Rich pardon, that he finally said he did it at the request of the Israeli government?  I don’t think I am imagining this.  I did read it somewhere on the tubz.  My question would be why?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For what it’s worth, I don’t know doodley squat about Holder and hold no opinion one way or the other.  I defer to others much more knowledgeable than me on this appointment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I just dreaming, or did I read somewhere that when Bill Clinton was confronted by the reasoning for his controversial Marc Rich pardon, that he finally said he did it at the request of the Israeli government?  I don’t think I am imagining this.  I did read it somewhere on the tubz.  My question would be why?  </p>
<p>For what it’s worth, I don’t know doodley squat about Holder and hold no opinion one way or the other.  I defer to others much more knowledgeable than me on this appointment.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736773</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;George Bush has been outsourcing essential government services for eight years, spending like a drunken sailor.  Outsourcing is the management rage of the day, a pretend way to cut staff and apparent costs that looks good on the financial statement.  What never gets properly disclosed are the vulnerabilities that go with it.  The Six Sigma graph looks like a flatline, not a tall, narrow umbrella.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Separately, Holder is what Obama would be, had he gone big firm instead of choosing to enter politics from the bottom up.  Holder started as the quintessential outsider, and is now one of the top insiders at a Washington, DC, mega-firm.  He “wins” quietly, without public fuss or notice, and wins big.  He’s much more like Obama that not.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If progressives want their voices heard, want them reflected in policy, then one way is to support groups like Blue America.  That gets their voices inside the Beltway and off the internet.  It buttresses sitting progressives, who the Dems are as ready as the GOP to marginalize.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The more progressives there are in Congress, the more that quiet centrists like Obama will have to listen to them.  If progressives don’t accumulate enough “voter weight”, they won’t be able to move the political see-saw — already overloaded on the right, with a few teetering in the middle — and centrist Obama won’t have a reason to leave his Jim Lehrer-like comfy corner.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Bush has been outsourcing essential government services for eight years, spending like a drunken sailor.  Outsourcing is the management rage of the day, a pretend way to cut staff and apparent costs that looks good on the financial statement.  What never gets properly disclosed are the vulnerabilities that go with it.  The Six Sigma graph looks like a flatline, not a tall, narrow umbrella.</p>
<p>Separately, Holder is what Obama would be, had he gone big firm instead of choosing to enter politics from the bottom up.  Holder started as the quintessential outsider, and is now one of the top insiders at a Washington, DC, mega-firm.  He “wins” quietly, without public fuss or notice, and wins big.  He’s much more like Obama that not.  </p>
<p>If progressives want their voices heard, want them reflected in policy, then one way is to support groups like Blue America.  That gets their voices inside the Beltway and off the internet.  It buttresses sitting progressives, who the Dems are as ready as the GOP to marginalize.  </p>
<p>The more progressives there are in Congress, the more that quiet centrists like Obama will have to listen to them.  If progressives don’t accumulate enough “voter weight”, they won’t be able to move the political see-saw — already overloaded on the right, with a few teetering in the middle — and centrist Obama won’t have a reason to leave his Jim Lehrer-like comfy corner.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/23/eric-holder-pushed-the-marc-rich-pardon-for-over-a-year/#comment-1736757</link>
		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;  because he was being criticized by the White House for sending over too many clemency applications with recommendations that they be denied.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   So his favored clients who are not good candidates for pardons get the Nod but anyone else did not. Was Holder denying pardons to keep his average up?&lt;br /&gt;
   Was there is there a certain finite amount of pardons?&lt;br /&gt;
Were deserving people denied pardons so questionable but connected people could get pardons?&lt;br /&gt;
    Did these people later give to Hilary and later Obama?&lt;br /&gt;
This looks like a can of worms.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>  because he was being criticized by the White House for sending over too many clemency applications with recommendations that they be denied.</p>
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<p>   So his favored clients who are not good candidates for pardons get the Nod but anyone else did not. Was Holder denying pardons to keep his average up?<br />
   Was there is there a certain finite amount of pardons?<br />
Were deserving people denied pardons so questionable but connected people could get pardons?<br />
    Did these people later give to Hilary and later Obama?<br />
This looks like a can of worms.</p>
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		<title>By: ThingsComeUndone</title>
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		<dc:creator>ThingsComeUndone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LHP everyone! Thanks for covering this story and keeping the coverage going please do not let this story disappear. I would like the death of 4,000 people to mean something.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LHP everyone! Thanks for covering this story and keeping the coverage going please do not let this story disappear. I would like the death of 4,000 people to mean something.</p>
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