Comments on: Who Needs The Fairness Doctrine? http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/ Firedoglake weblog Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:29:31 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: sunshine http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736382 sunshine Sun, 23 Nov 2008 09:37:17 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736382 <p>Two profound things happened to the right wingers during this past election. For a year and a half they were told Obama, Muslim, terriorist, etc. The Powell and McCain came out and said, no that’s not right. The right wingers had to face the fact that rush, hannity and fox had been lieing to them like we had been trying to tell them all that time. When you find out you’ve been played that badly for your vote, well it does something to one’s soul.</p> Two profound things happened to the right wingers during this past election. For a year and a half they were told Obama, Muslim, terriorist, etc. The Powell and McCain came out and said, no that’s not right. The right wingers had to face the fact that rush, hannity and fox had been lieing to them like we had been trying to tell them all that time. When you find out you’ve been played that badly for your vote, well it does something to one’s soul.

]]> By: spocko http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736338 spocko Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:03:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736338 <p>They usually don’t but Hannity has a big ego and is very insecure. For him he needs a “I dare ya. What are ya a Chicken?” kind of deal.<br /> And it would need to be someone who has credibility that HE wants. But there isn’t anyone who would do that.</p> <p>Rush is another case all together. Someone needs to pay to have a private eye track Rush. His drug use and other sexual perversions will be obvious within about 3 weeks. These people have already revealed their sicknesses to the general public, dig a bit deeper and you will see more.</p> They usually don’t but Hannity has a big ego and is very insecure. For him he needs a “I dare ya. What are ya a Chicken?” kind of deal.
And it would need to be someone who has credibility that HE wants. But there isn’t anyone who would do that.

Rush is another case all together. Someone needs to pay to have a private eye track Rush. His drug use and other sexual perversions will be obvious within about 3 weeks. These people have already revealed their sicknesses to the general public, dig a bit deeper and you will see more.

]]> By: Eli http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736099 Eli Sun, 23 Nov 2008 05:01:37 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736099 <p>When do they ever leave their own turf, though? I mean, look what happened when BillO showed up on Letterman.</p> When do they ever leave their own turf, though? I mean, look what happened when BillO showed up on Letterman.

]]> By: spocko http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736092 spocko Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:59:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736092 <p>Wingnuts pretend that they will be fair with an argument, but when they are busted they do exactly what you say. That is why they need to be disarmed off their turf. I also want the people who pay for them to see just how bad they actually are. And I’d like them to quietly walk away from them.</p> <p>Let their only source of revenue be herbal pills that make your “member” grow, since that would be good target marketing.</p> Wingnuts pretend that they will be fair with an argument, but when they are busted they do exactly what you say. That is why they need to be disarmed off their turf. I also want the people who pay for them to see just how bad they actually are. And I’d like them to quietly walk away from them.

Let their only source of revenue be herbal pills that make your “member” grow, since that would be good target marketing.

]]> By: lokywoky http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736079 lokywoky Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:52:05 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736079 <p>You can never ‘win’ an argument with a wing-nut. No matter what you say to them, they don’t listen or think about what you said. They just repeat their ‘talking point’ over again, louder, as if that will make you convert to their way of thinking. </p> <p>That’s why, for the most part, it is useless to even waste the time and effort required to have a conversation with one.</p> You can never ‘win’ an argument with a wing-nut. No matter what you say to them, they don’t listen or think about what you said. They just repeat their ‘talking point’ over again, louder, as if that will make you convert to their way of thinking.

That’s why, for the most part, it is useless to even waste the time and effort required to have a conversation with one.

]]> By: Dixie http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736077 Dixie Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:51:15 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736077 <p>Sean Hannity did the “You’re a Great American” car giveaway (6 vehicles, I believe) for GM a couple of years ago.</p> Sean Hannity did the “You’re a Great American” car giveaway (6 vehicles, I believe) for GM a couple of years ago.

]]> By: spocko http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736071 spocko Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:43:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736071 <p>When they are pushed against the wall they will parse words finer and faster than a sushi chef on speed. Another thing the do is to take an accusation that wasn’t made and say, “I never made that accusation!” </p> <p>One of the things that I think we can do to hasten their own self destruction is to get them out of their comfort zones. Rush needs to be with other audiences in a format he can’t control. Hannity needs to be with someone who can actually beat back his debate team talking points. Rush will be smart and won’t leave his zone. But Hannity wants to be loved. He needs to be paired up with Rachael Maddow or Keith to argue policy. </p> <p>But arguing with Hannity and “winning” the conversation isn’t really satisfying if he uses it for greater ratings. Knowing wingnuts as I do I think that what they argue strongest about is an area that they are weak in. Is Hannity really a “Great America?” I wonder if he gets money from that great American The Rev. Moon? Also, is he a good Catholic? He said in the pews for 20 years and he didn’t learn anything? I guess not, because the current Catholic Church is not pro-torture and and is not pro-war. Hannity is defying the Church if he is pro war. Maybe he shouldn’t get communion.</p> When they are pushed against the wall they will parse words finer and faster than a sushi chef on speed. Another thing the do is to take an accusation that wasn’t made and say, “I never made that accusation!”

One of the things that I think we can do to hasten their own self destruction is to get them out of their comfort zones. Rush needs to be with other audiences in a format he can’t control. Hannity needs to be with someone who can actually beat back his debate team talking points. Rush will be smart and won’t leave his zone. But Hannity wants to be loved. He needs to be paired up with Rachael Maddow or Keith to argue policy.

But arguing with Hannity and “winning” the conversation isn’t really satisfying if he uses it for greater ratings. Knowing wingnuts as I do I think that what they argue strongest about is an area that they are weak in. Is Hannity really a “Great America?” I wonder if he gets money from that great American The Rev. Moon? Also, is he a good Catholic? He said in the pews for 20 years and he didn’t learn anything? I guess not, because the current Catholic Church is not pro-torture and and is not pro-war. Hannity is defying the Church if he is pro war. Maybe he shouldn’t get communion.

]]> By: lokywoky http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736068 lokywoky Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:41:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736068 <p>I like your position on the break-ups the best. What happened to anti-trust? It didn’t get repealed - that’s what they used on Microsoft. But why in the world hasn’t it been used on the media, the banking and financial industry, _______ fill in the blanks here? Oh, right - the Rethugs have been in charge. Nevermind.</p> I like your position on the break-ups the best. What happened to anti-trust? It didn’t get repealed – that’s what they used on Microsoft. But why in the world hasn’t it been used on the media, the banking and financial industry, _______ fill in the blanks here? Oh, right – the Rethugs have been in charge. Nevermind.

]]> By: lokywoky http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736064 lokywoky Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:39:30 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736064 <p>All of Innannity’s points about car sales in Japan are straw-man arguments. It has nothing to do with CAFE standards or all the rest. As you pointed out - they drive on the left side of the road. But gasoline in Japan has been the equivalent of about $10 a gallon for years - and we have nothing to offer in the highly fuel-efficient categories that brought us the Prius and Incite. They also build almost all small cars - many of which get really huge mileage while not being hybrids. Space is at a premium - and parking is a nightmare there so no thanks to giant vehicles for that reason as well. And the Japanese got really used to the reliability of their automakers compared to Detroit. </p> <p>So…weaning them off of small, fuel-efficient reliable cars for giant, gas-guzzling Fix-Or-Repair-Daily or CHove-It-Or-Leave-Its? Kind of hard to see any rationale for that.</p> All of Innannity’s points about car sales in Japan are straw-man arguments. It has nothing to do with CAFE standards or all the rest. As you pointed out – they drive on the left side of the road. But gasoline in Japan has been the equivalent of about $10 a gallon for years – and we have nothing to offer in the highly fuel-efficient categories that brought us the Prius and Incite. They also build almost all small cars – many of which get really huge mileage while not being hybrids. Space is at a premium – and parking is a nightmare there so no thanks to giant vehicles for that reason as well. And the Japanese got really used to the reliability of their automakers compared to Detroit.

So…weaning them off of small, fuel-efficient reliable cars for giant, gas-guzzling Fix-Or-Repair-Daily or CHove-It-Or-Leave-Its? Kind of hard to see any rationale for that.

]]> By: Eli http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736054 Eli Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:34:48 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/11/22/who-needs-the-fairness-doctrine/#comment-1736054 <p>I love the “out of context” dodge. Every quote is “out of context”, pretty much by definition, because you have to cut somewhere. So they just automatically shriek “out of context!” whenever they get busted saying something awful, despite the fact that adding context never actually makes it any less awful.</p> <p>But it’s still technically true - though irrelevant - that they were quoted “out of context”.</p> I love the “out of context” dodge. Every quote is “out of context”, pretty much by definition, because you have to cut somewhere. So they just automatically shriek “out of context!” whenever they get busted saying something awful, despite the fact that adding context never actually makes it any less awful.

But it’s still technically true – though irrelevant – that they were quoted “out of context”.

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